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Tactics

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	'''Balanced Vampire and TK list;'''		'''Balanced Vampire and TK list;'''
	1 level 4 vamp lord with the +1 to hit you sword, ASF, WS9, Beguile, Aura, -1 to hit me armor and 4+ward. This guy never gets fucking hit and when he does it ~~dont~~ do shit as he's level 4 so just spell it back.		1 level 4 vamp lord with the +1 to hit you sword, ASF, WS9, Beguile, Aura, -1 to hit me armor and 4+ward. This guy never gets fucking hit and when he does it don't do shit as he's level 4 so just spell it back.
	1 level 4 Liche high priest- The lore of Nehekkarra is nasty when you got a high level with either number 2 or 3 spells		1 level 4 Liche high priest- The lore of Nehekkarra is nasty when you got a high level with either number 2 or 3 spells
	1 Level 3 necromancer there now all the Lore of undeath		1 Level 3 necromancer there now all the Lore of undeath

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	The following are particularly good and recommended.		The following are particularly good and recommended.

	''The Screaming Banner'': For fear/terror tests, this is a sweet magical item.		''The Screaming Banner'': For fear<s>/terror</s> tests, this is a sweet magical item. (It specifies Fear tests only. The test when a Terror-causing unit charges is technically a Panic test)

	''Skabscarth'': Worth it on a combat Vampire Lord that's not the general, just make sure you kill something with it.		''Skabscarth'': Worth it on a combat Vampire Lord that's not the general, just make sure you kill something with it.

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	This would make Grave Guard even better than they were, but there's always the eggs/basket story and with this new book lords and heroes already tend to soak up lots and lots of points. He also has The Curse, punishing whatever kills him making any attempt to kill him a risky endeavor.		This would make Grave Guard even better than they were, but there's always the eggs/basket story and with this new book lords and heroes already tend to soak up lots and lots of points. He also has The Curse, punishing whatever kills him making any attempt to kill him a risky endeavor.
	Or you could go with Tomb Princes for a more cost effective variation, if none of the Tomb Kings Magic Items above 50 points catches your interest.		Or you could go with Tomb Princes for a more cost effective variation, if none of the Tomb Kings Magic Items above 50 points catches your interest.
	Finally, scroll down to Tomb Herald below to see the main benefit to having a Tomb King over a Master Vampire.		Finally, scroll down to Tomb Herald below to see the main benefit to having a Tomb King over a Master Vampire. Not that it matters much, but the mummy options are all flammable remember.

	*'''Master Necromancer:'''		*'''Master Necromancer:'''
	Out of the two caster-Lords, this one is your summoner one. he costs 165 points vanilla, plus 35 for his level 4 upgrade. Unlike his mummified colleague, Mastermancer can increase a Skeleton Warrior Unit's size beyond its starting limit with Master of the Dead upgrade (although not any of the Tomb Kings Skeleton Archers or Horsemen sadly) and is 10pts cheaper with an identical statline. He can only use Lore of Vampires, Lore of Undeath, or Lore of Death.		Out of the two caster-Lords, this one is your summoner one. He costs 165 points vanilla, plus 35 for his level 4 upgrade. Unlike his mummified colleague, Mastermancer can increase a Skeleton Warrior Unit's size beyond its starting limit with Master of the Dead upgrade (although not any of the Tomb Kings Skeleton Archers or Horsemen sadly) and is 10pts cheaper with an identical statline. He can only use Lore of Vampires, Lore of Undeath, or Lore of Death.

	The Master Necromancer and also can ride a variety of mounts, although the main point of these is to let him keep up with Black Knights if you are going full-cavalry. Otherwise, find him a nice big bunker full of Core to stick him in. If you want multiple casters, only take one Master Necromancer as only one can take the MotD upgrade in your army.		The Master Necromancer and also can ride a variety of mounts, although the main point of these is to let him keep up with Black Knights if you are going full-cavalry. Otherwise, find him a nice big bunker full of Core to stick him in. If you want multiple casters, only take one Master Necromancer as only one can take the MotD upgrade in your army.
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	*'''Strigoi Ghoul King:'''		*'''Strigoi Ghoul King:'''
	Still a proper punch sport, but with all the options you're getting and all the possible combinations you can make this guy will probably won't see the light of day much.		Still a proper punch sport, but with all the options you're getting and all the possible combinations you can make this guy will probably won't see the light of day much.
	He's 260 points for a Regenerating (only 5+ sadly), Poisoned Attack with Infinite Hatred rapetrain that can't take Magic Armor. Dragonbane Gem is mandatory to protect him from Flame Attacks and most Magic Weapons aren't worth taking since they'll make him lose his Poisoned Attacks. He benefits a great deal from the Lore of Nehekhara Augments, and is not a bad idea if you want a Close Combat character to deal some guaranteed kills.		He's 260 points for a Regenerating (only 5+ sadly), Poisoned Attack with Infinite Hatred rapetrain that can't take Magic Armor. Dragonbane Gem is mandatory to protect him from Flame Attacks and most Magic Weapons aren't worth taking since they'll make him lose his Poisoned Attacks. He benefits a great deal from the Lore of Nehekhara Augments, and is not a bad idea if you want a Close Combat character to deal some guaranteed kills. He isn't a terrible choice, but he's got less potential for upgrades and also has got more competition now which doesn't work well in his favor. If you don't plan on kitting out your characters too much and just need someone killy to complete the set with someone else casty, Strigoi with Red Fury and Gem is the way to go.

	=====Heroes=====		=====Heroes=====

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	*'''[[Queen Neferata]], Mortarch of Blood:'''		*'''[[Queen Neferata]], Mortarch of Blood:'''
	Neferata is terrifying for several reasons. One is that she is the first Monster that has Always Strikes First and Initiative 9. This has a couple implications. 1) Thunderstomp, being a function of the mount, has always had Always Strikes Last. Neffy has a combined profile. Therefore, Thunderstomp is also an Always Strikes First attack,<s> meaning she gets D6 hits from Thunderstomp at her initiative (which is 9) </s> Unfortunately, Stomp/Thunderstomp cannot benefit from any other special rules(see Errata), so she always do Thunderstomp LAST even if with ASF. You ~~only able to~~ rerolling all of her ~~8 attacks(however,~~ which ~~dramatically increases the odds of them hitting~~ with her Weapon Skill of 8~~).<s> ...yeah, she~~ can ~~average 10 hits per combat phase at Strength 5~~ by herself~~, BEFORE her opponent even gets to go. That's insane~~.~~</s>~~ Anyone trying to hit her in melee will be hitting her on 6's (anything trying to hit her has a -1 To Hit), wounding her on Toughness 6, and has to eat through 8 wounds, with a 6+ save just in case. Her dagger is another horror which, if it causes an unsaved Wound, drops the Strength, Toughness, and Attacks of the target '''by 1''' for the rest of the game. This effect can only happen once per model and only works in challenges although regardless of what your opponent tries to tell you will work as many times as she can swing it against something new per game. Her Always Strikes First combined with her high Strength, Weapon Skill and Initiative and rerolls she's usually get mean she will will cripple anything dumb enough to take her in a challenge. Being the Mortarch of Blood means if she kills an enemy character in a challenge (very likely since the first wound she causes takes away some of their toughness and offensive ability) then she'll spawn an un-upgraded generic Vampire, which is not exceedingly useful unless you're playing the kind of game where you will be killing a large number of weak characters. She deals D3 extra Strength 5 hits to anything she Hexes or hits with a Magic Missile which is fairly nifty against small (expensive) Units, and is a level 3 in Death, Shadow, Vampires, or Undeath. Of them, Shadow is the best for those tasty Hexes and Vampires lets you actually heal her every time you cast a spell coupled with Invocation to keep her entourage healthy. This makes her a dedicated offensive caster on top of being the single biggest melee powerhouse you can bring after Nagash himself, and a list built around her should bring some Necromancers or Priests to provide the necessary Augments as well as enough models in the right places that you can stick Neferata exactly where it will hurt without fear of redirection or charges. Remember, that with level 3 she cannot be your main caster the way Mannfred on Arkhan are. Her main use is in countering the comeback of Herohammer the new 50% Lord allowance will undoubtedly bring, as her role in the army is that of a finesse scalpel, used to cut out the tendons of any named characters when there's an opening.		Neferata is terrifying for several reasons. One is that she is the first Monster that has Always Strikes First and Initiative 9. Unfortunately, Stomp/Thunderstomp cannot benefit from any other special rules(see Errata), so she always do Thunderstomp LAST even if with ASF. You'll be rerolling all of her eight Strength 5 Attacks which with her Weapon Skill of 8 makes her a fucking engine of destruction that can eat a unit by herself. Anyone trying to hit her in melee will be hitting her on 6's (anything trying to hit her has a -1 To Hit), wounding her on Toughness 6, and has to eat through 8 wounds, with a 6+ save just in case. Her dagger is another horror which, if it causes an unsaved Wound, drops the Strength, Toughness, and Attacks of the target '''by 1''' for the rest of the game. This effect can only happen once per model and only works in challenges although regardless of what your opponent tries to tell you will work as many times as she can swing it against something new per game. Her Always Strikes First combined with her high Strength, Weapon Skill and Initiative and rerolls she's usually get mean she will will cripple anything dumb enough to take her in a challenge. Being the Mortarch of Blood means if she kills an enemy character in a challenge (very likely since the first wound she causes takes away some of their toughness and offensive ability) then she'll spawn an un-upgraded generic Vampire, which is not exceedingly useful unless you're playing the kind of game where you will be killing a large number of weak characters. She deals D3 extra Strength 5 hits to anything she Hexes or hits with a Magic Missile which is fairly nifty against small (expensive) Units, and is a level 3 in Death, Shadow, Vampires, or Undeath. Of them, Shadow is the best for those tasty Hexes and Vampires lets you actually heal her every time you cast a spell coupled with Invocation to keep her entourage healthy. This makes her a dedicated offensive caster on top of being the single biggest melee powerhouse you can bring after Nagash himself, and a list built around her should bring some Necromancers or Priests to provide the necessary Augments as well as enough models in the right places that you can stick Neferata exactly where it will hurt without fear of redirection or charges. Remember, that with level 3 she cannot be your main caster the way Mannfred on Arkhan are. Her main use is in countering the comeback of Herohammer the new 50% Lord allowance will undoubtedly bring, as her role in the army is that of a finesse scalpel, used to cut out the tendons of any named characters when there's an opening.

	tl:dr, Neferata combines the traditional VC strengths. Defensive and offensive casting mix, Challenge god who ensures enemy characters won't be a nuisance, and eating Units with a fuckload of high Strength fast Attacks. She still works great with traditional Lahmian Leadership/spellcasting games as she is the best option there is for making LD bestowing characters die or bow out of Challenges and stop providing morale. New fluff has included a group of Ghouls who worship her that she uses, lifting fluff restrictions of "ugly" options as well as playing up her Nehekharan roots making any Undead Legion thing other than perhaps the von Carstein Vargheists and Corpse Carts fluffy.		tl:dr, Neferata combines the traditional VC strengths. Defensive and offensive casting mix, Challenge god who ensures enemy characters won't be a nuisance, and eating Units with a fuckload of high Strength fast Attacks. She still works great with traditional Lahmian Leadership/spellcasting games as she is the best option there is for making LD bestowing characters die or bow out of Challenges and stop providing morale. New fluff has included a group of Ghouls who worship her that she uses, lifting fluff restrictions of "ugly" options as well as playing up her Nehekharan roots making any Undead Legion thing other than perhaps the von Carstein Vargheists and Corpse Carts fluffy ("Hail to the queen, baby").

	*'''[[Arkhan the Black]], Mortarch of Sacrament:'''		*'''[[Arkhan the Black]], Mortarch of Sacrament:'''

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Why Play Undead Legions

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	==Why Play Undead Legions==		==Why Play Undead Legions==
	It is an enormous army of Undead that is trying to both conquer the world and destroy Chaos. It has almost everything found in both both the [[Vampire Counts]] and the [[Tomb Kings]] armies, making it among the single most versatile armies in the game fluffwise. You can make full-cavalry lists with Skeleton Horsemen as Core and Black Knights as Special, or convert a Necrolyth Colossus as von Carstein family statue. The options are mind-boggling! Fluff-wise, there are plenty of reasons to collect it. ~~For those who~~ think Nagash is awesome, prefer a world ruled by him to one ruled by Chaos, plus many of the narrative scenarios available to the [[Vampire Counts\|ticks]] or [[Tomb Kings\|the boys in bandages]], this army is for you.		It is an enormous army of Undead that is trying to both conquer the world and destroy Chaos. It has almost everything found in both both the [[Vampire Counts]] and the [[Tomb Kings]] armies, making it among the single most versatile armies in the game fluffwise. You can make full-cavalry lists with Skeleton Horsemen as Core and Black Knights as Special, or convert a Necrolyth Colossus as von Carstein family statue. The options are mind-boggling! Fluff-wise, there are plenty of reasons to collect it. Because you think Nagash is awesome, prefer a world ruled by him to one ruled by Chaos, plus many of the narrative scenarios available to the [[Vampire Counts\|ticks]] or [[Tomb Kings\|the boys in bandages]], this army is for you.

	It's also Neutral for the sake of allying in 3+ player games, allowing Vampire Counts (previously Destruction-aligned only) to fight as allies with anyone in the game from Dwarfs to Daemons.		It's also Neutral for the sake of allying in 3+ player games, allowing Vampire Counts (previously Destruction-aligned only) to fight as allies with anyone in the game from Dwarfs to Daemons.

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Why Play Undead Legions

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	==Why Play Undead Legions==		==Why Play Undead Legions==
	It is an enormous army of Undead that is trying to both conquer the world and destroy Chaos. It has almost everything found in both both the [[Vampire Counts]] and the [[Tomb Kings]] armies, making it among the single most versatile armies in the game fluffwise. You can make full-cavalry lists with Skeleton Horsemen as Core and Black Knights as Special, or convert a Necrolyth Colossus as von Carstein family statue. The options are mind-boggling!		It is an enormous army of Undead that is trying to both conquer the world and destroy Chaos. It has almost everything found in both both the [[Vampire Counts]] and the [[Tomb Kings]] armies, making it among the single most versatile armies in the game fluffwise. You can make full-cavalry lists with Skeleton Horsemen as Core and Black Knights as Special, or convert a Necrolyth Colossus as von Carstein family statue. The options are mind-boggling! Fluff-wise, there are plenty of reasons to collect it. For those who think Nagash is awesome, prefer a world ruled by him to one ruled by Chaos, plus many of the narrative scenarios available to the [[Vampire Counts\|ticks]] or [[Tomb Kings\|the boys in bandages]], this army is for you.

	It's also Neutral for the sake of allying in 3+ player games, allowing Vampire Counts (previously Destruction-aligned only) to fight as allies with anyone in the game from Dwarfs to Daemons.		It's also Neutral for the sake of allying in 3+ player games, allowing Vampire Counts (previously Destruction-aligned only) to fight as allies with anyone in the game from Dwarfs to Daemons.

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Lords

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	In summary of Nagash's magic abilities; best in the entire game; see [[Manta]].		In summary of Nagash's magic abilities; best in the entire game; see [[Manta]].

	Sweet (''un'')merciful fuck. Talk about bringing a Tomahawk Missile to a knife fight. Nagash is currently the most overpowered thing in the entire vanilla game, putting everything from High Elf Banner tactics and Dwarf Cannon spam to within the "acceptable" range [[Skub\|(although it's arguable for the Dwarftillery)]].		Sweet (''un'')merciful fuck. Talk about bringing a Tomahawk Missile to a knife fight. Nagash is currently the most overpowered single thing in the entire vanilla game, putting everything from High Elf Banner tactics and Dwarf Cannon spam to within the "acceptable" range [[Skub\|(although it's arguable for the Dwarftillery)]].

	'''Weaknesses/Threats:'''		'''Weaknesses/Threats:'''

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Tactics

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	*Skabscrath - your general needs a weapon anyway and another Death Shriek is very nice.		*Skabscrath - your general needs a weapon anyway and another Death Shriek is very nice.
	*Casket of Souls - besides being awesome as it is, it basically follows the same mechanic, so fits perfectly.		*Casket of Souls - besides being awesome as it is, it basically follows the same mechanic, so fits perfectly.
	*Golden Death Mask of Kharnut - Synchronizes very well with this list. Ideal for breaking through a opponent line and into his rear, as it prevents ~~a unit~~ from using the general's "Inspiring presence" and the BSB's "Hold your ground", thus rendering a unit horrifically vulnerable to failing a LD test and subsequently run down, with causing Terror as the icing on the cake.		*Golden Death Mask of Kharnut - Synchronizes very well with this list. Ideal for breaking through a opponent line and into his rear, as it prevents all enemy units within 6' from using the general's "Inspiring presence" and the BSB's "Hold your ground", thus rendering a unit horrifically vulnerable to failing a LD test and subsequently run down, with causing Terror as the icing on the cake.
	*Lore of Death - essential for this list. Mostly you need just one spell - Doom and Darkness, to reduce enemy's only defense. Aspect of Dreadknight and Spirit Leech are fine too, as they benefit from reduced Ld.		*Lore of Death - essential for this list. Mostly you need just one spell - Doom and Darkness, to reduce enemy's only defense. Aspect of Dreadknight and Spirit Leech are fine too, as they benefit from reduced Ld.
	*Aura of Dark Majesty - another nice Ld reducing ability, and quite cheap at that!		*Aura of Dark Majesty - another nice Ld reducing ability, and quite cheap at that!