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	**'''Alternate take:''' The strength marauders bring to the table is the fact that they bring a big block of troops for cheap points or if you read above you will notice chaos marauder with mark of khorne and flail is 10 points when playing WoC. Also, buff these bastards with some spells, and they can become a total pain in the ass. Their main downsides are: 1) they are mounted on 25mm bases, so a horde of them will be hard to maneuver, and 2) they '''need''' support from characters. They are not like Chaos Warriors who can operate on their own; if you want them to accomplish something, put an Exalted Hero with them and buff them with some spells. Marks though can be quite effective on them, Mark of Nurgle helps them survive a lot longer in combat (good for tarpitting), Mark of Khorne makes them pretty good against other core if they have Great Weapons, and Mark of Slaanesh allows them to ignore the inevitable panic tests that come from being shot at. Note that Mark of Khorne also makes you immune to psychology, so it's like the Mark of Slaanesh but with one more attack. A block of 20 marauders with mark of khorne and flails scares the shit out of empire gun-lines, they will shoot lead in their faces and it will only make their penises harder, and when they hit, they'll RIP AND TEAR like flamers on Grots.		**'''Alternate take:''' The strength marauders bring to the table is the fact that they bring a big block of troops for cheap points or if you read above you will notice chaos marauder with mark of khorne and flail is 10 points when playing WoC. Also, buff these bastards with some spells, and they can become a total pain in the ass. Their main downsides are: 1) they are mounted on 25mm bases, so a horde of them will be hard to maneuver, and 2) they '''need''' support from characters. They are not like Chaos Warriors who can operate on their own; if you want them to accomplish something, put an Exalted Hero with them and buff them with some spells. Marks though can be quite effective on them, Mark of Nurgle helps them survive a lot longer in combat (good for tarpitting), Mark of Khorne makes them pretty good against other core if they have Great Weapons, and Mark of Slaanesh allows them to ignore the inevitable panic tests that come from being shot at. Note that Mark of Khorne also makes you immune to psychology, so it's like the Mark of Slaanesh but with one more attack. A block of 20 marauders with mark of khorne and flails scares the shit out of empire gun-lines, they will shoot lead in their faces and it will only make their penises harder, and when they hit, they'll RIP AND TEAR like flamers on Grots.

	*'''Chaos Warhounds:''' Flankers. At only 6 points a pop, combined with M7 they are excellent at intercepting enemy scouts and skirmishers, and to hunt down the crews of enemy war machines, wizards or even ranged units. They drop like flies though: at T3 with a 6+ save for an additional point, everything with something bigger than a hand weapon or a longbow will kill these pups instantly. They can be given poisoned attacks as well, but with only 1 attack each this should not make much of a difference. Finally they can be upgraded to have Vanguard, meaning they get [[Creed\|a free 12" move before the start of the game, putting them close to your enemy and less likely to be shot down along the way]]. Use them if you want to, but they won't work against every army you'll face. Take a few units as drops so that your opponent has to place his important units first. ~~Dont~~ bother giving them any upgrades other than ~~vangard~~.		*'''Chaos Warhounds:''' Flankers. At only 6 points a pop, combined with M7 they are excellent at intercepting enemy scouts and skirmishers, and to hunt down the crews of enemy war machines, wizards or even ranged units. They drop like flies though: at T3 with a 6+ save for an additional point, everything with something bigger than a hand weapon or a longbow will kill these pups instantly. They can be given poisoned attacks as well, but with only 1 attack each this should not make much of a difference. Finally they can be upgraded to have Vanguard, meaning they get [[Creed\|a free 12" move before the start of the game, putting them close to your enemy and less likely to be shot down along the way]]. Use them if you want to, but they won't work against every army you'll face. Take a few units as drops so that your opponent has to place his important units first. Don't bother giving them any upgrades other than vanguard.
	**'''Alternate take:''' For 30 points naked, they're a super cheap investment in an army that otherwise has very expensive units. They give you more flexibility at deployment and make excellent redirectors. Once they run, they'll likely keep running, but keeping your outnumbered self unflanked for a turn or two can make the difference between life and death. Don't ever consider them combat-worthy. Consider them for dominating the movement phase, protecting your own flanks by redirecting chargers, and with the side benefit of maybe occasionally doing a few wounds on something squishy. Don't leave home without 2-3 naked units of 5 in any army above 1500, learn how to use them and you'll love them. Don't bother with any upgrades. Just get more units of them if you have the points to spare.		**'''Alternate take:''' For 30 points naked, they're a super cheap investment in an army that otherwise has very expensive units. They give you more flexibility at deployment and make excellent redirectors. Once they run, they'll likely keep running, but keeping your outnumbered self unflanked for a turn or two can make the difference between life and death. Don't ever consider them combat-worthy. Consider them for dominating the movement phase, protecting your own flanks by redirecting chargers, and with the side benefit of maybe occasionally doing a few wounds on something squishy. Don't leave home without 2-3 naked units of 5 in any army above 1500, learn how to use them and you'll love them. Don't bother with any upgrades. Just get more units of them if you have the points to spare.
	** You can also use them to dominate the deployment phase. By putting down 3 or 4 units of just 5 hounds as your first deployments, you get to see where your opponent is putting his stuff before you start deploying your important units. Sure, you'll probably miss out on the +1 see-who-goes-first roll, but that's offset by letting you react to your opponent's deployment.		** You can also use them to dominate the deployment phase. By putting down 3 or 4 units of just 5 hounds as your first deployments, you get to see where your opponent is putting his stuff before you start deploying your important units. Sure, you'll probably miss out on the +1 see-who-goes-first roll, but that's offset by letting you react to your opponent's deployment.

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	*'''Sorcerer:''' a SOLID choice and one of the best wizards in all of WHFB. Good fighter with magic abilities to boot. You should always bring one to tag along, even if your are going full CC with your characters. Taking entire turns of spells in the face is not nice, especially when dealing with High Elves, Dark Elves, Empire, Lizardmen etc. Make him a lvl2, fix him a Dispel Scroll, and use him to thwart enemy spells.		*'''Sorcerer:''' a SOLID choice and one of the best wizards in all of WHFB. Good fighter with magic abilities to boot. You should always bring one to tag along, even if your are going full CC with your characters. Taking entire turns of spells in the face is not nice, especially when dealing with High Elves, Dark Elves, Empire, Lizardmen etc. Make him a lvl2, fix him a Dispel Scroll, and use him to thwart enemy spells.

	*'''Sorceror-Prophet/Daemonsmith/Infernal Castellan (Forge World):''' Thanks to the Tamurkhan - The Throne of Chaos book (page 186), you can take Chaos Dwarf characters in your Warriors of Chaos army. They're decent, but the choices in the army book are just as good, if not better. Also their bases ~~dont~~ match as all chaos dwarfs are based on 20x20mm. Take a Daemonsmith to repair your Chaos Dwarf War Machines and stick him at the back; otherwise, pass.		*'''Sorceror-Prophet/Daemonsmith/Infernal Castellan (Forge World):''' Thanks to the Tamurkhan - The Throne of Chaos book (page 186), you can take Chaos Dwarf characters in your Warriors of Chaos army. They're decent, but the choices in the army book are just as good, if not better. Also their bases don't match as all chaos dwarfs are based on 20x20mm. Take a Daemonsmith to repair your Chaos Dwarf War Machines and stick him at the back; otherwise, pass.
	** As per FAQ daemonsmiths engeneer reroll applies to hellcannon despite it being monster Not warmachine. Enjoy.		** As per FAQ daemonsmiths engeneer reroll applies to hellcannon despite it being monster Not warmachine. Enjoy.
	** Also taking them requires a tax in form of at least one chaos dwarf unit which can be any of the warmachines (except Hellcannons) or an infernal guard unit.		** Also taking them requires a tax in form of at least one chaos dwarf unit which can be any of the warmachines (except Hellcannons) or an infernal guard unit.

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	==Army Rules==		==Army Rules==
	'''Eye of the Gods:''' Units with this rule (read; Characters and unit champions) must always issue and accept challenges if you can. If the character wins the challenge or kills a monster you roll 2d6 on the EOTG table which will give your character a reward of chaos. You keep these rewards for the rest of the game, but you can't make any stat better then 10 so if you roll a reward you can't use you treat it as if you rolled The Eye Opens.		'''Eye of the Gods:''' Units with this rule (read; Characters and unit champions) must always issue and accept challenges if you can. If the character wins the challenge or kills a monster you roll 2d6 on the EOTG table which will give your character a reward of chaos. You keep these rewards for the rest of the game, but you can't make any stat better then 10 so if you roll a reward you can't use you treat it as if you rolled The Eye Opens.
			*'''2 Damnation:''' Make a Toughness test. If you pass you gains stupidity or suffers -1 Leadership if he already has stupidity. If you fail, you get [[Chaos Spawn\|Gribblifyed]]
	'''*2 Damnation:''' Make a Toughness test. If you pass you gains stupidity or suffers -1 Leadership if he already has stupidity. If you fail, you get [[Chaos Spawn\|Gribblifyed]]		*'''3 Evil Eyeball:''' +1 BS.
			*'''4 Unholy Resistance:''' +1 Toughness
	'''*3 Evil Eyeball:''' +1 BS.		*'''5 Iron Skin:''' +1 Armour Save
			*'''6 Murderous Mutation:''' +1 WS
	'''*4 Unholy Resistance:''' +1 Toughness		*'''7 The Eye Opens:''' Re-roll one failed to hit, wound or saving throw until the end of the next turn
			*'''8 Unearthly Reflexes:''' +1 Initiative
	'''*5 Iron Skin:''' +1 Armour Save		*'''9 Dark Fury:''' Gain an extra attack
			*'''10 Slaughters Strength:''' +1 Strength
	'''*6 Murderous Mutation:''' +1 WS		*'''11 Aura of Chaos:''' Gain a 6+ Ward save or add 1 to a current ward save (to a max of 3+)
			*'''12 Dark Apotheosis:''' Do a Leadership test. If you fail you gain Stubborn or +1 Leadership. Pass and become a God Damn DAEMON PRINCE!
	'''*7 The Eye Opens:''' Re-roll one failed to hit, wound or saving throw until the end of the next turn

	'''*8 Unearthly Reflexes:''' +1 Initiative

	'''*9 Dark Fury:''' Gain an extra attack

	'''*10 Slaughters Strength:''' +1 Strength

	'''*11 Aura of Chaos:''' Gain a 6+ Ward save or add 1 to a current ward save (to a max of 3+)

	'''*12 Dark Apotheosis:''' Do a Leadership test. If you fail you gain Stubborn or +1 Leadership. Pass and become a God Damn DAEMON PRINCE!

	Usefulness of each boon swings wildly between fantastic and completely pointless, but kitting your characters out to kick ass in duels is pretty much a must with this rule but Chaos lords are already very strong so you don't need to do much.		Usefulness of each boon swings wildly between fantastic and completely pointless, but kitting your characters out to kick ass in duels is pretty much a must with this rule but Chaos lords are already very strong so you don't need to do much.


	'''Marks of Chaos:''' The blessings of one of the four Chaos Gods, most units can be upgraded and give one of these four marks, which will give said unit an extra rule.		'''Marks of Chaos:''' The blessings of one of the four Chaos Gods, most units can be upgraded and give one of these four marks, which will give said unit an extra rule.
			*'''Mark of [[Khorne]]:''' Any model with this mark gains Frenzy. Really simple, really good. Sticking this on Lords, Chaos Knights and Warriors is a sure fire way to up their killing potential.
	'''*Mark of [[Khorne]]:''' Any model with this mark gains Frenzy. Really simple, really good. Sticking this on Lords, Chaos Knights and Warriors is a sure fire way to up their killing potential.		*'''Mark of [[Nurgle]]:''' Units attacking models with this mark suffer -1 to hit (in melee). Another simple but effective mark, especially when you aren't worried about your own guys killing potential. Up against armies like the Empire and Skaven which will usually rely on the quantity of their attacks to do damage over quality, forcing them to hit your guys on 6's can be debilitating for them.
			*'''Mark of [[Tzeentch]]:''' Models with this mark gain a 6+ ward save or add 1 to one they already have (to a max of 3+), in addition any Wizard with this mark can re-roll channelling rolls of 1. Good on Lords and also fairly good on warriors, as it bumps sword and board warriors up to a 5+ ward save, so if you're picking fights with ogres or other really hard hitting units it gives you some extra survivability.
	'''*Mark of [[Nurgle]]:''' Units attacking models with this mark suffer -1 to hit (in melee). Another simple but effective mark, especially when you aren't worried about your own guys killing potential. Up against armies like the Empire and Skaven which will usually rely on the quantity of their attacks to do damage over quality, forcing them to hit your guys on 6's can be debilitating for them.		*'''Mark of [[Slaanesh]]:''' Models automatically pass Fear, Terror and Panic tests. The weakest of the four marks, but not bad. Frenzy makes units immune to psychology so mark of Khorne already has this one beat as it does the same thing, but also ups a units killing power. However the Mark of Slaanesh is always the cheapest mark, usually being half or sometimes even a third of the price of the other marks, meaning that it's a great mark to put on a fat unit of Marauders as it only marginally increases their cost and turns them into a great tar pit against big monsters. If you have some points left over dropping this mark on the odd unit of chosen or a character is also never a bad thing.

	'''*Mark of [[Tzeentch]]:''' Models with this mark gain a 6+ ward save or add 1 to one they already have (to a max of 3+), in addition any Wizard with this mark can re-roll channelling rolls of 1. Good on Lords and also fairly good on warriors, as it bumps sword and board warriors up to a 5+ ward save, so if you're picking fights with ogres or other really hard hitting units it gives you some extra survivability.

	'''*Mark of [[Slaanesh]]:''' Models automatically pass Fear, Terror and Panic tests. The weakest of the four marks, but not bad. Frenzy makes units immune to psychology so mark of Khorne already has this one beat as it does the same thing, but also ups a units killing power. However the Mark of Slaanesh is always the cheapest mark, usually being half or sometimes even a third of the price of the other marks, meaning that it's a great mark to put on a fat unit of Marauders as it only marginally increases their cost and turns them into a great tar pit against big monsters. If you have some points left over dropping this mark on the odd unit of chosen or a character is also never a bad thing.


	'''Daemonic Attacks:''' Any unit with this rule has magical attacks, including ranged, stomps or impact hits. This rule is pretty much only found on Daemonic units (shocker).		'''Daemonic Attacks:''' Any unit with this rule has magical attacks, including ranged, stomps or impact hits. This rule is pretty much only found on Daemonic units (shocker).

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	===Special Units===		===Special Units===
	*'''Chosen:''' 4 points more expensive than a regular Warrior, gaining +1 WS and the The Rewards of Chaos rule, granting a free roll on the Eye of the Gods table. For the rest they have the same options as a unit of Chaos Warriors, except shields are more expensive for them and can take more expensive magic banners. Removing Favor of the Gods hurt them quite a bit, but this is made more than up for for two reasons: The Rewards of Chaos is done on 3d6 of which you may discard one, potentially allowing you to choose between three different Gifts, and when paired up with a Warshrine this adds yet ANOTHER die to roll with, giving you even more flexibility. With this ability your units of Chosen can quickly become very powerful, and will serve as a good block of heavy infantry for your army.		*'''Chosen:''' 4 points more expensive than a regular Warrior, gaining +1 WS and the The Rewards of Chaos rule, granting a free roll on the Eye of the Gods table. For the rest they have the same options as a unit of Chaos Warriors, except shields are more expensive for them and can take more expensive magic banners. Removing Favor of the Gods hurt them quite a bit, but this is made more than up for for two reasons: The Rewards of Chaos is done on 3d6 of which you may discard one, potentially allowing you to choose between three different Gifts, and when paired up with a Warshrine this adds yet ANOTHER die to roll with, giving you even more flexibility. With this ability your units of Chosen can quickly become very powerful, and will serve as a good block of heavy infantry for your army.
	** Unfortunately they serve very similar role as regular warriors (albeint with added upf) while being more expansive and taking from special allowence that have so many better things. Only really good reason to take them is for altar tactics trying to abuse their special feature and get best possible Eye of the gods effect on 4d6. But it is hardly ~~competative~~. They also have access to two handed weapons but it waste their high I.		** Unfortunately they serve very similar role as regular warriors (albeint with added upf) while being more expansive and taking from special allowence that have so many better things. Only really good reason to take them is for altar tactics trying to abuse their special feature and get best possible Eye of the gods effect on 4d6. But it is hardly competetive. They also have access to two handed weapons but it waste their high I.

	*'''Gorebeast Chariot:''' Chaos Chariot with a purple ape and Killing Blow on impact. Their speed is their big downside, but they are ridiculously tough and hit like an unstoppable pain train with no brakes. If possible I'd take these guys over a regular chariot any day of the week. Remember that like all chariots, they can pivot and threaten a charge on your flanks after movement, making them excellent linebackers for your main blocks. Just turn them to face any direction you don't want your enemy moving into and they create a no man's land of pain. Take Mark of Nurgle to have a T6 W5 brick wall that most troops will only be hitting on 5s to begin with. This might actually be the best chariot in the game now.		*'''Gorebeast Chariot:''' Chaos Chariot with a purple ape and Killing Blow on impact. Their speed is their big downside, but they are ridiculously tough and hit like an unstoppable pain train with no brakes. If possible I'd take these guys over a regular chariot any day of the week. Remember that like all chariots, they can pivot and threaten a charge on your flanks after movement, making them excellent linebackers for your main blocks. Just turn them to face any direction you don't want your enemy moving into and they create a no man's land of pain. Take Mark of Nurgle to have a T6 W5 brick wall that most troops will only be hitting on 5s to begin with. This might actually be the best chariot in the game now.

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	**It might be a good idea to stick your BSB on one of these things, just to give him a little extra protection.		**It might be a good idea to stick your BSB on one of these things, just to give him a little extra protection.
	*'''Chaos Chariot:''' Yeah no. Chariots operate fine on their own, placing a character there will only turn them into the focus of all shooting, because it will become as vulnerable as a Shaggoth and just as (or more) pricey. Not only that, you replace one of the crew (so you lose attacks compared to a normal chariot) and you aren't as mobile as if you were on any other mount, because you can't march. Oh, and it's more expensive than a Daemonic Mount. If you didn't get the picture yet, don't take it.		*'''Chaos Chariot:''' Yeah no. Chariots operate fine on their own, placing a character there will only turn them into the focus of all shooting, because it will become as vulnerable as a Shaggoth and just as (or more) pricey. Not only that, you replace one of the crew (so you lose attacks compared to a normal chariot) and you aren't as mobile as if you were on any other mount, because you can't march. Oh, and it's more expensive than a Daemonic Mount. If you didn't get the picture yet, don't take it.
	*'''Chaos Warshrine:''' Yes, this really is a mount now. Despite offering a great ward save and being relatively tough, the Warshrine is no longer as useful as it used to be. In addition, it hobbles along at a painfully slow pace - as in, slower than the rest of your already (mostly) slow army - hardly an ideal choice for a mount~~. I have no idea what you're talking about, stick a sorcerer on here.<-its been FAQ'd, unfortunately the rider does not get the ward save if it's a character. I'm as sad as you are, I can assure you~~.		*'''Chaos Warshrine:''' Yes, this really is a mount now. Despite offering a great ward save and being relatively tough, the Warshrine is no longer as useful as it used to be. In addition, it hobbles along at a painfully slow pace - as in, slower than the rest of your already (mostly) slow army - hardly an ideal choice for a mount.
	** With mark of Tzeentch it gets 3++. Fuck cannons.		** With mark of Tzeentch it gets 3++. Fuck cannons.
	*'''Manticore:''' At T5, 4 wounds and no armour, this thing will die fast to shooting, melee, and magic. Which is a shame, because it can really dish out the pain: 4 attacks (5 if you fail the leadership test, which will also make your lord frenzied) at s5 with killing blow and thunderstomp will put a hurt on things, but you can't really expect it to survive against anything other than s3 infantry (and even then, not lol 4 rows asf high elves). Back when terror was more devastating, this was a worthy, if unreliable, mount,but now you are better off just taking the Tzeentch or Slaneesh mounts if you need your lord to move fast across the board. As of the new book, the Manticore was given a substantial price discount and the ability to buy a 4+ armour save. Still a glass cannon, but with the option for other viable flying threats like a Chimera or a Daemon Prince, it can find its place in an army now as part of a multitude of fast threats.		*'''Manticore:''' At T5, 4 wounds and no armour, this thing will die fast to shooting, melee, and magic. Which is a shame, because it can really dish out the pain: 4 attacks (5 if you fail the leadership test, which will also make your lord frenzied) at s5 with killing blow and thunderstomp will put a hurt on things, but you can't really expect it to survive against anything other than s3 infantry (and even then, not lol 4 rows asf high elves). Back when terror was more devastating, this was a worthy, if unreliable, mount,but now you are better off just taking the Tzeentch or Slaneesh mounts if you need your lord to move fast across the board. As of the new book, the Manticore was given a substantial price discount and the ability to buy a 4+ armour save. Still a glass cannon, but with the option for other viable flying threats like a Chimera or a Daemon Prince, it can find its place in an army now as part of a multitude of fast threats.

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Generic Mounts

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	**It might be a good idea to stick your BSB on one of these things, just to give him a little extra protection.		**It might be a good idea to stick your BSB on one of these things, just to give him a little extra protection.
	*'''Chaos Chariot:''' Yeah no. Chariots operate fine on their own, placing a character there will only turn them into the focus of all shooting, because it will become as vulnerable as a Shaggoth and just as (or more) pricey. Not only that, you replace one of the crew (so you lose attacks compared to a normal chariot) and you aren't as mobile as if you were on any other mount, because you can't march. Oh, and it's more expensive than a Daemonic Mount. If you didn't get the picture yet, don't take it.		*'''Chaos Chariot:''' Yeah no. Chariots operate fine on their own, placing a character there will only turn them into the focus of all shooting, because it will become as vulnerable as a Shaggoth and just as (or more) pricey. Not only that, you replace one of the crew (so you lose attacks compared to a normal chariot) and you aren't as mobile as if you were on any other mount, because you can't march. Oh, and it's more expensive than a Daemonic Mount. If you didn't get the picture yet, don't take it.
	*'''Chaos Warshrine:''' Yes, this really is a mount now. Despite offering a great ward save and being relatively tough, the Warshrine is no longer as useful as it used to be. In addition, it hobbles along at a painfully slow pace - as in, slower than the rest of your already (mostly) slow army - hardly an ideal choice for a mount. I have no idea what you're talking about, stick a sorcerer on here.		*'''Chaos Warshrine:''' Yes, this really is a mount now. Despite offering a great ward save and being relatively tough, the Warshrine is no longer as useful as it used to be. In addition, it hobbles along at a painfully slow pace - as in, slower than the rest of your already (mostly) slow army - hardly an ideal choice for a mount. I have no idea what you're talking about, stick a sorcerer on here.<-its been FAQ'd, unfortunately the rider does not get the ward save if it's a character. I'm as sad as you are, I can assure you.
	** With mark of Tzeentch it gets 3++. Fuck cannons.		** With mark of Tzeentch it gets 3++. Fuck cannons.
	*'''Manticore:''' At T5, 4 wounds and no armour, this thing will die fast to shooting, melee, and magic. Which is a shame, because it can really dish out the pain: 4 attacks (5 if you fail the leadership test, which will also make your lord frenzied) at s5 with killing blow and thunderstomp will put a hurt on things, but you can't really expect it to survive against anything other than s3 infantry (and even then, not lol 4 rows asf high elves). Back when terror was more devastating, this was a worthy, if unreliable, mount,but now you are better off just taking the Tzeentch or Slaneesh mounts if you need your lord to move fast across the board. As of the new book, the Manticore was given a substantial price discount and the ability to buy a 4+ armour save. Still a glass cannon, but with the option for other viable flying threats like a Chimera or a Daemon Prince, it can find its place in an army now as part of a multitude of fast threats.		*'''Manticore:''' At T5, 4 wounds and no armour, this thing will die fast to shooting, melee, and magic. Which is a shame, because it can really dish out the pain: 4 attacks (5 if you fail the leadership test, which will also make your lord frenzied) at s5 with killing blow and thunderstomp will put a hurt on things, but you can't really expect it to survive against anything other than s3 infantry (and even then, not lol 4 rows asf high elves). Back when terror was more devastating, this was a worthy, if unreliable, mount,but now you are better off just taking the Tzeentch or Slaneesh mounts if you need your lord to move fast across the board. As of the new book, the Manticore was given a substantial price discount and the ability to buy a 4+ armour save. Still a glass cannon, but with the option for other viable flying threats like a Chimera or a Daemon Prince, it can find its place in an army now as part of a multitude of fast threats.

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Army Rules

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	'''*Mark of [[Khorne]]:''' Any model with this mark gains Frenzy. Really simple, really good. Sticking this on Lords, Chaos Knights and Warriors is a sure fire way to up their killing potential.		'''*Mark of [[Khorne]]:''' Any model with this mark gains Frenzy. Really simple, really good. Sticking this on Lords, Chaos Knights and Warriors is a sure fire way to up their killing potential.

	'''*Mark of [[Nurgle]]:''' Units attacking models with this mark suffer -1 to hit. Another simple but effective mark, especially when you aren't worried about your own guys killing potential. Up against armies like the Empire and Skaven which will usually rely on the quantity of their attacks to do damage over quality, forcing them to hit your guys on 6's can be debilitating for them.		'''*Mark of [[Nurgle]]:''' Units attacking models with this mark suffer -1 to hit (in melee). Another simple but effective mark, especially when you aren't worried about your own guys killing potential. Up against armies like the Empire and Skaven which will usually rely on the quantity of their attacks to do damage over quality, forcing them to hit your guys on 6's can be debilitating for them.

	'''*Mark of [[Tzeentch]]:''' Models with this mark gain a 6+ ward save or add 1 to one they already have (to a max of 3+), in addition any Wizard with this mark can re-roll channelling rolls of 1. Good on Lords and also fairly good on warriors, as it bumps sword and board warriors up to a 5+ ward save, so if you're picking fights with ogres or other really hard hitting units it gives you some extra survivability.		'''*Mark of [[Tzeentch]]:''' Models with this mark gain a 6+ ward save or add 1 to one they already have (to a max of 3+), in addition any Wizard with this mark can re-roll channelling rolls of 1. Good on Lords and also fairly good on warriors, as it bumps sword and board warriors up to a 5+ ward save, so if you're picking fights with ogres or other really hard hitting units it gives you some extra survivability.
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	'''Daemonic Attacks:''' Any unit with this rule has magical attacks, including ranged, stomps or impact hits. This rule is pretty much only found on Daemonic units (shocker).		'''Daemonic Attacks:''' Any unit with this rule has magical attacks, including ranged, stomps or impact hits. This rule is pretty much only found on Daemonic units (shocker).

	==Unit Analysis==		==Unit Analysis==
	===Lords & Heroes===		===Lords & Heroes===

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	*'''Slaughterbrute:''' The first of two big, scary monsters. The Slaughterbrute is a powerful monster with <strike>very decent</strike> four attacks, solid strength and decent toughness. While it may at first seem to suck at close combat with a pathetic weapon skill of 3, you can boost its killing ability by binding it to your <strike>Chaos Lord</strike> Lord of Hero, a process which involves jamming a lot of sanctified blades into its back. Doing so is borderline mandatory, as it uses your <strike>Chaos Lord's</strike> Lord's of Hero's weapon skill and leadership so long as he is alive, producing results like a weapon skill 8 leadership 9 monster. If that SOUNDS awesome, it's because it IS! It only has four attacks however, so it won't do much against large units, even with its thunder stomp. Where it excels is against small elite units, preferably with good armour, that its high WS and S will give you a good return against. HOWEVER, it is both more expensive, easier to kill (assuming regen) and easier to redirect than a Chimera, so keep that in mind.		*'''Slaughterbrute:''' The first of two big, scary monsters. The Slaughterbrute is a powerful monster with <strike>very decent</strike> four attacks, solid strength and decent toughness. While it may at first seem to suck at close combat with a pathetic weapon skill of 3, you can boost its killing ability by binding it to your <strike>Chaos Lord</strike> Lord of Hero, a process which involves jamming a lot of sanctified blades into its back. Doing so is borderline mandatory, as it uses your <strike>Chaos Lord's</strike> Lord's of Hero's weapon skill and leadership so long as he is alive, producing results like a weapon skill 8 leadership 9 monster. If that SOUNDS awesome, it's because it IS! It only has four attacks however, so it won't do much against large units, even with its thunder stomp. Where it excels is against small elite units, preferably with good armour, that its high WS and S will give you a good return against. HOWEVER, it is both more expensive, easier to kill (assuming regen) and easier to redirect than a Chimera, so keep that in mind.

	*'''Mutalith Vortex Beast:''' The other big, scary monster. The Vortex Beast has a bound spell which makes you roll on a table to see how many toughness tests the enemy takes, for each toughness test they fail they suffer a wound with no armour saves allowed. This monster has great synergy with the Nurgle magic lore and its toughness reducing spell. Be aware though that a lot of the rolls on the chart give bonuses to the target unit ~~(Not really. Only the first three results give any kind of benefit, and those are fear, stupidity and +1 to a stats and -1 to a stat. Nothing to really be worried about IMO)~~.		*'''Mutalith Vortex Beast:''' The other big, scary monster. The Vortex Beast has a bound spell which makes you roll on a table to see how many toughness tests the enemy takes, for each toughness test they fail they suffer a wound with no armour saves allowed. This monster has great synergy with the Nurgle magic lore and its toughness reducing spell. Be aware though that a lot of the rolls on the chart give bonuses to the target unit.

	*'''Nightmaw:''' If you take Sayl the Faithless up in the Lords section, you have the option of including his pet spawn Nightmaw. Nightmaw follows all the rules for 'normal' Chaos Spawn (if there is such a thing), with the following added bonuses: He gets a 3+ regeneration save, the Always Strikes First rule, and enemy models have a -1 to hit penalty when shooting at it. The -1 to hit and 3+ regen will ensure Nightmaw getting into combat despite enemy shooting, while the 3+ regen turns it into quite a good damage sponge when it gets there. It gets a random amount of attacks, between 2 and 7, and its Initiative of 5 means it will be getting re-rolls to hit most of the time thanks to ASF. Unfortunately, its attacks are still just Strength 4 with no extra abilities, so Nightmaw won't really impact combat much apart from being hard to kill. Nightmaw's biggest failing is costing roughly double the point cost of a basic Chaos Spawn, if it was included for free with its master Sayl, Nightmaw would be an excellent unit.		*'''Nightmaw:''' If you take Sayl the Faithless up in the Lords section, you have the option of including his pet spawn Nightmaw. Nightmaw follows all the rules for 'normal' Chaos Spawn (if there is such a thing), with the following added bonuses: He gets a 3+ regeneration save, the Always Strikes First rule, and enemy models have a -1 to hit penalty when shooting at it. The -1 to hit and 3+ regen will ensure Nightmaw getting into combat despite enemy shooting, while the 3+ regen turns it into quite a good damage sponge when it gets there. It gets a random amount of attacks, between 2 and 7, and its Initiative of 5 means it will be getting re-rolls to hit most of the time thanks to ASF. Unfortunately, its attacks are still just Strength 4 with no extra abilities, so Nightmaw won't really impact combat much apart from being hard to kill. Nightmaw's biggest failing is costing roughly double the point cost of a basic Chaos Spawn, if it was included for free with its master Sayl, Nightmaw would be an excellent unit.