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	<font size=1>'''*The [[Chaos Gods]] do not guarantee fun. Fun subject to early termination at Tzeentch's discretion. Fun is to be taken in context of [[Dwarf Fortress]].'''</font>		<font size=1>'''*The [[Chaos Gods]] do not guarantee fun. Fun subject to early termination at Tzeentch's discretion. Fun is to be taken in context of [[Dwarf Fortress]].'''</font>
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			This is an old Edition's tactics. [[Warhammer_40,000/6th_Edition_Tactics/Chaos_Daemons\|6th Edition Tactics are here.]]

	==Why Play Chaos Daemons==		==Why Play Chaos Daemons==
	Do you like bitchin awesome huge models? Want an army that entirely deep strikes? Are you totally unconcerned with the fact that you very well may never win again? Chaos Daemons might just be the army for you. In all seriousness, these guys are pretty awful and the only reason to play them is a fluff army. So go nuts, take the most questionable upgrades and field the most expensive units. One way or another things are going to be '''FUN'''<font size=5></font>. Well unless you're playing against the Grey Knights since they have abilities that can render your entire army utterly useless (as in unable to move or attack useless). Then things <s>won't be</s> '''WILL BE SUPER FUN'''<font size=5></font>.		Do you like bitchin awesome huge models? Want an army that entirely deep strikes? Are you totally unconcerned with the fact that you very well may never win again? Chaos Daemons might just be the army for you. In all seriousness, these guys are pretty awful and the only reason to play them is a fluff army. So go nuts, take the most questionable upgrades and field the most expensive units. One way or another things are going to be '''FUN'''<font size=5></font>. Well unless you're playing against the Grey Knights since they have abilities that can render your entire army utterly useless (as in unable to move or attack useless). Then things <s>won't be</s> '''WILL BE SUPER FUN'''<font size=5></font>.

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1d4chan>Sonicology at 17:49, 31 October 2012

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	**As per the 10/31/12 FAQ, Soul Grinders now cause Fear and have a 5++ save. Woo hoo?		**As per the 10/31/12 FAQ, Soul Grinders now cause Fear and have a 5++ save. Woo hoo?
	*'''Plague Hulk (Forgeworld)''' - Essentially a Soul Grinder of Nurgle with a poisoned 3+ S5 AP3 flamer and a rending, half-range battle cannon with 2 fewer strength. It also gets a 5+ cover save, but it does cost 205 pts. and has huge guts like the regular 'Grinder.		*'''Plague Hulk (Forgeworld)''' - Essentially a Soul Grinder of Nurgle with a poisoned 3+ S5 AP3 flamer and a rending, half-range battle cannon with 2 fewer strength. It also gets a 5+ cover save, but it does cost 205 pts. and has huge guts like the regular 'Grinder.
	'''Blood Slaughterer (Forgeworld)''' - <s>Silly</s>'''FUN'''<font size=5></font> name notwithstanding, taking three will make your opponent shit bricks when they deep strike within charge range. Your opponent will then lol as he meltas them to death or immobilization and your 390 pt. heavy support vehicle squad becomes useless. Alternatively, he'll lol when they scatter into impassable terrain or his own guys. Regardless, if you can get these guys in, they will tear shit up. Front armour 13, WS5, a pair of dread close combat weapons, +D3 attacks on the charge spell death for anything it touches. Avoid swapping its dread claws for an impaler (a Blood Angels magna grapple with shittier AP and longer range) because <s>they only have BS1</s> it always hits on a 4+ so it could be a nasty surprise for some asshole skimmer trying to kite them around.		'''Blood Slaughterer (Forgeworld)''' - <s>Silly</s> '''FUN'''<font size=5></font> name notwithstanding, taking three will make your opponent shit bricks when they deep strike within charge range. Your opponent will then lol as he meltas them to death or immobilization and your 390 pt. heavy support vehicle squad becomes useless. Alternatively, he'll lol when they scatter into impassable terrain or his own guys. Regardless, if you can get these guys in, they will tear shit up. Front armour 13, WS5, a pair of dread close combat weapons, +D3 attacks on the charge spell death for anything it touches. Avoid swapping its dread claws for an impaler (a Blood Angels magna grapple with shittier AP and longer range) because <s>they only have BS1</s> it always hits on a 4+ so it could be a nasty surprise for some asshole skimmer trying to kite them around.
	*'''Spined Chaos Beast (Forgeworld)''' - Just like the one available to the CSM but with deep strike, a daemonic construct made from flesh instead of metal. It's a monstrous creature with WS5, S7, T6, 4 wounds and a 5+ invulnerable save. Can be aligned with one of the dark gods for even more goodies!		*'''Spined Chaos Beast (Forgeworld)''' - Just like the one available to the CSM but with deep strike, a daemonic construct made from flesh instead of metal. It's a monstrous creature with WS5, S7, T6, 4 wounds and a 5+ invulnerable save. Can be aligned with one of the dark gods for even more goodies!
	**'''Khorne:''' +15 pts., rage and furious charge. It's alright, but for 15 points, there are better.		**'''Khorne:''' +15 pts., rage and furious charge. It's alright, but for 15 points, there are better.
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	==Tactics==		==Tactics==
	Pray that chaos doesn't abandon you. Realize that this is a shit army, and just have fun with it. Seriously, 1/3 chance of getting turn 1 raped does not make for a competitive army.		Pray that chaos doesn't abandon you. Realize that this is a <s>shit</s> '''FUN'''<font size=5>*</font> army, and just have fun with it. Seriously, 1/3 chance of getting turn 1 raped does not make for a competitive army.
	6th edition may have changed this with the MC buffs and CSM allies.....		6th edition may have changed this with the MC buffs and CSM allies.....

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Heavy Support

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	'''Daemon Prince''' - The GOOD heavy support choice. This army only has 2 choices, and one is better than the other in every single way. It's kind of <s>silly</s> '''FUN'''<font size=5></font>, really. The Daemon Prince takes up less space, takes less effort to assemble and paint, can take more damage, can deal more damage, can be made to fit whatever role you require, is more points effective, and costs less than half as much money. With Chaos Space Marines currently having a poor excuse for a Daemon Prince in their army (which is more expensive than our Daemon Prince, WHAT A TWEEST) you now have even more reason to take this as an ally, or in your main force! With the most options in the army, the Daemon Prince can go from being the good 'ole fashion Lash Prince to the flying Tzeentch bolt prince of death. Kit him out with some [[Choppa]] and [[Dakka]], give him wings and lol as you fly across the battle field, vector strike and them cut the enemy down with ease, but beware the points cost.		'''Daemon Prince''' - The GOOD heavy support choice. This army only has 2 choices, and one is better than the other in every single way. It's kind of <s>silly</s> '''FUN'''<font size=5></font>, really. The Daemon Prince takes up less space, takes less effort to assemble and paint, can take more damage, can deal more damage, can be made to fit whatever role you require, is more points effective, and costs less than half as much money. With Chaos Space Marines currently having a poor excuse for a Daemon Prince in their army (which is more expensive than our Daemon Prince, WHAT A TWEEST) you now have even more reason to take this as an ally, or in your main force! With the most options in the army, the Daemon Prince can go from being the good 'ole fashion Lash Prince to the flying Tzeentch bolt prince of death. Kit him out with some [[Choppa]] and [[Dakka]], give him wings and lol as you fly across the battle field, vector strike and them cut the enemy down with ease, but beware the points cost.
	*'''Soul Grinder''' - Its going to die like a bitch to meltafire but what are you going to do, take one of your ''other'' vehicles? Well, you could take one of the Forgeworld models but - NEVERMIND! Take Phlegm and melt some space marines with his template. Tongue isn't awful but it relies on the Soul Grinder's dodgy BS and you're just as well off using fleet to mix it up in close combat, but in all honesty, Horrors do a better hob of one shooting vehicles. (By the way, remember that this thing is no exception to the deep strike rule. He comes with the biggest base in the game without going into apocalypse, and you're expected to deep strike him with that base. Depending upon the terrain, he is the most likely to die unit in your entire army. Which isn't good for such a choicy unit.)		*'''Soul Grinder''' - Its going to die like a bitch to meltafire but what are you going to do, take one of your ''other'' vehicles? Well, you could take one of the Forgeworld models but - NEVERMIND! Take Phlegm and melt some space marines with his template. Tongue isn't awful but it relies on the Soul Grinder's dodgy BS and you're just as well off using fleet to mix it up in close combat, but in all honesty, Horrors do a better hob of one shooting vehicles. (By the way, remember that this thing is no exception to the deep strike rule. He comes with the biggest base in the game without going into apocalypse, and you're expected to deep strike him with that base. Depending upon the terrain, he is the most likely to die unit in your entire army. Which isn't good for such a choicy unit.)
			**As per the 10/31/12 FAQ, Soul Grinders now cause Fear and have a 5++ save. Woo hoo?
	*'''Plague Hulk (Forgeworld)''' - Essentially a Soul Grinder of Nurgle with a poisoned 3+ S5 AP3 flamer and a rending, half-range battle cannon with 2 fewer strength. It also gets a 5+ cover save, but it does cost 205 pts. and has huge guts like the regular 'Grinder.		*'''Plague Hulk (Forgeworld)''' - Essentially a Soul Grinder of Nurgle with a poisoned 3+ S5 AP3 flamer and a rending, half-range battle cannon with 2 fewer strength. It also gets a 5+ cover save, but it does cost 205 pts. and has huge guts like the regular 'Grinder.
	'''Blood Slaughterer (Forgeworld)''' - <s>Silly</s>'''FUN'''<font size=5></font> name notwithstanding, taking three will make your opponent shit bricks when they deep strike within charge range. Your opponent will then lol as he meltas them to death or immobilization and your 390 pt. heavy support vehicle squad becomes useless. Alternatively, he'll lol when they scatter into impassable terrain or his own guys. Regardless, if you can get these guys in, they will tear shit up. Front armour 13, WS5, a pair of dread close combat weapons, +D3 attacks on the charge spell death for anything it touches. Avoid swapping its dread claws for an impaler (a Blood Angels magna grapple with shittier AP and longer range) because <s>they only have BS1</s> it always hits on a 4+ so it could be a nasty surprise for some asshole skimmer trying to kite them around.		'''Blood Slaughterer (Forgeworld)''' - <s>Silly</s>'''FUN'''<font size=5></font> name notwithstanding, taking three will make your opponent shit bricks when they deep strike within charge range. Your opponent will then lol as he meltas them to death or immobilization and your 390 pt. heavy support vehicle squad becomes useless. Alternatively, he'll lol when they scatter into impassable terrain or his own guys. Regardless, if you can get these guys in, they will tear shit up. Front armour 13, WS5, a pair of dread close combat weapons, +D3 attacks on the charge spell death for anything it touches. Avoid swapping its dread claws for an impaler (a Blood Angels magna grapple with shittier AP and longer range) because <s>they only have BS1</s> it always hits on a 4+ so it could be a nasty surprise for some asshole skimmer trying to kite them around.

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Building your Army

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	*Play planetstrike games as the attacker and watch as your opponents go from jeering your shitty army to rage-quitting as you deep strike and assault in the same turn!		*Play planetstrike games as the attacker and watch as your opponents go from jeering your shitty army to rage-quitting as you deep strike and assault in the same turn!
	*Otherwise, start with plague bearers and horrors because they are the troops that don't suck. Then grab a greater daemon for HQ and maybe some heralds (of Khorne and Tzeentch, preferably). Then buy the things that are good and avoid the shit that sucks. Good luck with that!		*Otherwise, start with plague bearers and horrors because they are the troops that don't suck. Then grab a greater daemon for HQ and maybe some heralds (of Khorne and Tzeentch, preferably). Then buy the things that are good and avoid the shit that sucks. Good luck with that!
			*Want to troll your local daemon-bashing GK players? Here's what you do: Field Fateweaver, a Lord of Change and 3 Tzeenchian daemon princes, all with Bolt of Tzeentch/Breath of Chaos. Watch your opponent have a rage-aneurysm when he has to snap-fire at 5 swooping MCs all covered by a rerollable 4++ save (3++ for the LoCs). Even Hydras will be laughably inadequate. Meanwhile you get to hammer out your ranged attacks and Vector Strike fliers into the ground.

	==Tactics==		==Tactics==

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2012-10-31T15:18:27Z

Why Play Chaos Daemons

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	*The most luck-based army around. Between the judgement of the gods, Deep Strikes and reserves there are just too many occasions for a bad roll to completely screw you over.		*The most luck-based army around. Between the judgement of the gods, Deep Strikes and reserves there are just too many occasions for a bad roll to completely screw you over.
	*A hard time dealing with anything with AV 12 or more, so you're automatically out of the competitive scene.		*A hard time dealing with anything with AV 12 or more, so you're automatically out of the competitive scene.
	*If you turn up against Grey Knights, just turn around, bend over and pray your opponent is a gentle, tender lover. Did we mention that nowadays Grey Knights make up more than 50% of tournament lists? And you know how you used to not be all that worried about force weapons because you had armywide eternal warrior? Well now you don't have eternal warrior ''at all''! And the small nerfs to the grey knights (force weapons now only being AP3 save for things like the hammer), don't apply to you. And they can still defeat you in one turn by covering the map with warp quakes.		*If you turn up against Grey Knights, just turn around, bend over and pray your opponent is a gentle, tender lover. Did we mention that nowadays Grey Knights make up more than 50% of tournament lists? And you know how you used to not be all that worried about force weapons because you had armywide eternal warrior? <s>Well now you don't have eternal warrior ''at all''!</s> They have EW back, thanks to the latest FAQ. And the small nerfs to the grey knights (force weapons now only being AP3 save for things like the hammer), don't apply to you. And they can still defeat you in one turn by covering the map with warp quakes.
	*Ar-mor save? What is ar-mor? Jokes apart, a 5++ alone is not all that good, even if it's army-wide.		*Ar-mor save? What is ar-mor? Jokes apart, a 5++ alone is not all that good, even if it's army-wide.
	*Crappy saves and the fact most of army has no ranged weapons means it's going to die like a bunch red shirts in the shooting phase.		*Crappy saves and the fact most of army has no ranged weapons means it's going to die like a bunch red shirts in the shooting phase.