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	'''[[Rhino]]s''' - Very cheap and good transport since space marines are KNOWN TO HIDE IN [[Metal Boxes\|MEHTAL BAWKSES]], DA KOWARDZ! TEH FEWLZ! There's not much to say about it beyond "use it!" Seriously, don't footslog your Marines. A walking Marine is a dead Marine, and dead men hold no objectives. The only upgrades recommended are the Dozer Blade and maybe Hunter-Killer Missiles (if you have a lot of HK's in your army already). Once the guys are out of it, you can basically throw it away in petty dick moves like preventing charges, blocking line of sight, and tank shocking people into tight formation to be hit with flamers, more useful for shielding your own guys as it's side armour is 11, as opposed to the 10 most transports have (cough* Chimera cough) so str 4 weapons (standard infantry power) can't glance it. You can also use its speed to dick around with Necrons if you feel like trolling them and don't really care about winning.		'''[[Rhino]]s''' - Very cheap and good transport since space marines are KNOWN TO HIDE IN [[Metal Boxes\|MEHTAL BAWKSES]], DA KOWARDZ! TEH FEWLZ! There's not much to say about it beyond "use it!" Seriously, don't footslog your Marines. A walking Marine is a dead Marine, and dead men hold no objectives. The only upgrades recommended are the Dozer Blade and maybe Hunter-Killer Missiles (if you have a lot of HK's in your army already). Once the guys are out of it, you can basically throw it away in petty dick moves like preventing charges, blocking line of sight, and tank shocking people into tight formation to be hit with flamers, more useful for shielding your own guys as it's side armour is 11, as opposed to the 10 most transports have (cough* Chimera cough) so str 4 weapons (standard infantry power) can't glance it. You can also use its speed to dick around with Necrons if you feel like trolling them and don't really care about winning.
	**NOTE: look on the entry for the rhino in your codex and you will notice a rule that no-one ever uses, which is a shame because it totally rocks: opt out of shooting for a 1/6 chance of repairing an immobilized result.		**NOTE: look on the entry for the rhino in your codex and you will notice a rule that no-one ever uses, which is a shame because it totally rocks: opt out of shooting for a 1/6 chance of repairing an immobilized result.
	**In this list, it ~~doesnt~~ have all the cool toys of the latest 6th edition chaos codex.		**In this list, it doesn't have all the cool toys of the latest 6th edition chaos codex.
	*'''[[Chimera Transport\|Chimera]]:''' This is the gem of the [[Metal_Boxes\|MEHTAL BAWKS]] world. Heavy Bolter Snap firing with Multi Laser? This has become the hate machine it was supposed to be. But nothing stops you from Snap Firing Multi Laser with Flamethrower. Or use Hunter-Killers to demolish enemy vehicles. Other points of this fine vehicle:		*'''[[Chimera Transport\|Chimera]]:''' This is the gem of the [[Metal_Boxes\|MEHTAL BAWKS]] world. Heavy Bolter Snap firing with Multi Laser? This has become the hate machine it was supposed to be. But nothing stops you from Snap Firing Multi Laser with Flamethrower. Or use Hunter-Killers to demolish enemy vehicles. Other points of this fine vehicle:
	** Cheap (point-wise). You can spam them, get lots and lots of multilasers (it will please you), and a solid wall of AV12 metal in front.		** Cheap (point-wise). You can spam them, get lots and lots of multilasers (it will please you), and a solid wall of AV12 metal in front.
	** You can fire all your important shit (special weapons, which is, Melta and Plasma) out the top hatch. Letting you fry while staying safe from retaliation.		** You can fire all your important shit (special weapons, which is, Melta and Plasma) out the top hatch. Letting you fry while staying safe from retaliation.
	** They also count as tanks, meaning that once your troops are in position, you can tank shock the enemies off the point and even crush some Ork vehicles and scare off the mobs.		** They also count as tanks, meaning that once your troops are in position, you can tank shock the enemies off the point and even crush some Ork vehicles and scare off the mobs.
	*'''[[Drop Pod\|Dreadclaw Assault Pod]]''' - only available to your marine units, <s>even with the latest update to their rules making them assault vehicle flyers, they don't turn up until turn 2 at the earliest, meaning units can't assault from them until turn three or later, since no unit that arrives from deep strike can assault the turn they arrive from reserve as per BRB. Handy if you were looking for a mid-game deployment of Khorne berserkers anywhere on the table though.		*'''[[Drop Pod\|Dreadclaw Assault Pod]]''' - only available to your marine units, <s>even with the latest update to their rules making them assault vehicle flyers, they don't turn up until turn 2 at the earliest, meaning units can't assault from them until turn three or later, since no unit that arrives from deep strike can assault the turn they arrive from reserve as per BRB. Handy if you were looking for a mid-game deployment of Khorne berserkers anywhere on the table though.
	**Watch this space though, because the earth-burning Anvillus pattern pod is coming and is poised to replace the traditional dreadclaw.</s>		**Watch this space though, because the earth-burning Anvillus pattern pod is coming and is poised to replace the traditional dreadclaw.</s>

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	===FAST ATTACK===		===FAST ATTACK===
	*'''[[Hellhound]]''' - '''(one only, no squadron)''' The standard Hellhound is a very handy infantry-killer. If they're not Marine-equivalents (and even they will be hurting once the wounds pile up and they start failing saves), and not in a transport, they will die. What's that? You opponent has Rangers/Heavy Weapons Teams/snipers holed up in a building somewhere giving your commanders and high-value units a hard time? The Inferno Cannon laughs at cover. The range of the IC means that you can expect them to hit enemy infantry starting on turn 1 (move 12", fire 12", cover another 8" with flame template). Ran in support of longer-ranged anti-tank weapons for popping enemy transports, Hellhounds can also serve to finish off units from disembarked vehicles. In 6th edition, Fast vehicles can now fire 2 weapons at full BS at cruising speed, so enjoy the possibilities of hull weaponry combinations.		*'''[[Hellhound Tank\|Hellhound]]''' - '''(one only, no squadron)''' The standard Hellhound is a very handy infantry-killer. If they're not Marine-equivalents (and even they will be hurting once the wounds pile up and they start failing saves), and not in a transport, they will die. What's that? You opponent has Rangers/Heavy Weapons Teams/snipers holed up in a building somewhere giving your commanders and high-value units a hard time? The Inferno Cannon laughs at cover. The range of the IC means that you can expect them to hit enemy infantry starting on turn 1 (move 12", fire 12", cover another 8" with flame template). Ran in support of longer-ranged anti-tank weapons for popping enemy transports, Hellhounds can also serve to finish off units from disembarked vehicles. In 6th edition, Fast vehicles can now fire 2 weapons at full BS at cruising speed, so enjoy the possibilities of hull weaponry combinations.
	*'''[[Sentinel\|Scout Sentinel Squadron:]]''' With such weak armor, most likely they are going to die on a second turn. Fun choice of weapons. Key part here is that they have Scout - so three Sentinels outflanking from the side or scouting into cover blasting away, causing havoc in the enemy ranks, is a good idea. But still - they are going to die. They are open topped. They are going to die. They have 10 armor. They are going to die. But they may as well take a tank or two down with them. If you want to be insane, having Heavy Flamers all around can result in hilarious infantry murder. Otherwise, most of the time you'll take them as a 40 point autocannon on legs since they are cheap and effective against most things.		*'''[[Sentinel\|Scout Sentinel Squadron:]]''' With such weak armor, most likely they are going to die on a second turn. Fun choice of weapons. Key part here is that they have Scout - so three Sentinels outflanking from the side or scouting into cover blasting away, causing havoc in the enemy ranks, is a good idea. But still - they are going to die. They are open topped. They are going to die. They have 10 armor. They are going to die. But they may as well take a tank or two down with them. If you want to be insane, having Heavy Flamers all around can result in hilarious infantry murder. Otherwise, most of the time you'll take them as a 40 point autocannon on legs since they are cheap and effective against most things.
	*'''[[Sentinel\|Armored Sentinel Squadron:]]''' Armored Heavy Weapons Team, practically. Can move around and fire, unlike Heavy Weapon Teams, but you only get one for the price of the whole squad. Can do decent in close combat, stomping on or bogging down the enemy. Now this works only with fearless units without krak grenades or other S6+ weapons (like, say Thousand Sons, gaunts, or Ork boys without klawnob). Even better choice of awesome weapons when compared to Scout Sentinels, such as plasma cannons - though, you can overheat and lose one of the two Hull Points you have, making you even more dangerously paper-thin. Use Lascannon against vehicle, Rocket Launcher or Autocannon if you can't decide what you want to do with them. Never hurts to take Hunter-Killers in case you end up fighting vehicles. Take in threes so they can be generally more efficient in anything you want them to do.		*'''[[Sentinel\|Armored Sentinel Squadron:]]''' Armored Heavy Weapons Team, practically. Can move around and fire, unlike Heavy Weapon Teams, but you only get one for the price of the whole squad. Can do decent in close combat, stomping on or bogging down the enemy. Now this works only with fearless units without krak grenades or other S6+ weapons (like, say Thousand Sons, gaunts, or Ork boys without klawnob). Even better choice of awesome weapons when compared to Scout Sentinels, such as plasma cannons - though, you can overheat and lose one of the two Hull Points you have, making you even more dangerously paper-thin. Use Lascannon against vehicle, Rocket Launcher or Autocannon if you can't decide what you want to do with them. Never hurts to take Hunter-Killers in case you end up fighting vehicles. Take in threes so they can be generally more efficient in anything you want them to do.

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	*'''Renegade Militia Platoon''' - similar in form to an Imperial Guard platoon: 1 command squad and 2-5 militia squads. The basic soldier has the same stats & equipment as a standard guardsman but with the stupid leadership rule. Nothing particularly impressive here weapons or rules wise.		*'''Renegade Militia Platoon''' - similar in form to an Imperial Guard platoon: 1 command squad and 2-5 militia squads. The basic soldier has the same stats & equipment as a standard guardsman but with the stupid leadership rule. Nothing particularly impressive here weapons or rules wise.
	**Perhaps the best thing to do would be to use the '''combined squad''' rule and bunch your separate units into one big super-unit. That gives all your heavy and special weapons an excellent measure of protection via wound-allocation by model positioning and also has added effect of delaying the effect of the random leadership after taking shooting casualties. ''If you go this route, there's also less need for having as many '''voxcasters''' in the unit, where if you had the platoon as separate units you'd need voxcasters everywhere! You also need less Enforcer/Priest as having one would apply its effects to the entire combined unit, this could save you a LOT of points in the long run as a tooled up Enforcer can cost the same as a militia squad.''		**Perhaps the best thing to do would be to use the '''combined squad''' rule and bunch your separate units into one big super-unit. That gives all your heavy and special weapons an excellent measure of protection via wound-allocation by model positioning and also has added effect of delaying the effect of the random leadership after taking shooting casualties. ''If you go this route, there's also less need for having as many '''voxcasters''' in the unit, where if you had the platoon as separate units you'd need voxcasters everywhere! You also need less Enforcer/Priest as having one would apply its effects to the entire combined unit, this could save you a LOT of points in the long run as a tooled up Enforcer can cost the same as a militia squad.''
	*'''Renegade Armoured Fist Squad''' - a single militia squad with all the same options, but must purchase a [[Chimera]], you know how this works.		*'''Renegade Armoured Fist Squad''' - a single militia squad with all the same options, but must purchase a [[Chimera Transport\|Chimera]], you know how this works.
	*'''Worker Rabble (Defenders of Vraks)''' - 20-40 sub-conscripts with sub-flak armour, Init 2 and Ld 6. For every 10 models you can take a grenade launcher or flamer (forget heavy stubbers) which you should because those weapons don't rely entirely on BS to shoot thing and flamers work well for overwatch.		*'''Worker Rabble (Defenders of Vraks)''' - 20-40 sub-conscripts with sub-flak armour, Init 2 and Ld 6. For every 10 models you can take a grenade launcher or flamer (forget heavy stubbers) which you should because those weapons don't rely entirely on BS to shoot thing and flamers work well for overwatch.
	**Use a the unit as a suicide tarpit and no other purpose. While you might be tempted to use workers for other tasks like objective holding, they don't have the Ld or Sv values to stick around unless you attach an advisor. Their job is to tie elite units down and let your other squads do their jobs. So, ironically they are best suited for fighting Fist or TH/SS terminators, since they can't be sweeping advanced over and they still strike before them where you might kill a model or two in your opponent's units by sheer weight of numbers,		**Use a the unit as a suicide tarpit and no other purpose. While you might be tempted to use workers for other tasks like objective holding, they don't have the Ld or Sv values to stick around unless you attach an advisor. Their job is to tie elite units down and let your other squads do their jobs. So, ironically they are best suited for fighting Fist or TH/SS terminators, since they can't be sweeping advanced over and they still strike before them where you might kill a model or two in your opponent's units by sheer weight of numbers,
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	**NOTE: look on the entry for the rhino in your codex and you will notice a rule that no-one ever uses, which is a shame because it totally rocks: opt out of shooting for a 1/6 chance of repairing an immobilized result.		**NOTE: look on the entry for the rhino in your codex and you will notice a rule that no-one ever uses, which is a shame because it totally rocks: opt out of shooting for a 1/6 chance of repairing an immobilized result.
	**In this list, it doesnt have all the cool toys of the latest 6th edition chaos codex.		**In this list, it doesnt have all the cool toys of the latest 6th edition chaos codex.
	*'''[[Chimera]]:''' This is the gem of the [[Metal_Boxes\|MEHTAL BAWKS]] world. Heavy Bolter Snap firing with Multi Laser? This has become the hate machine it was supposed to be. But nothing stops you from Snap Firing Multi Laser with Flamethrower. Or use Hunter-Killers to demolish enemy vehicles. Other points of this fine vehicle:		*'''[[Chimera Transport\|Chimera]]:''' This is the gem of the [[Metal_Boxes\|MEHTAL BAWKS]] world. Heavy Bolter Snap firing with Multi Laser? This has become the hate machine it was supposed to be. But nothing stops you from Snap Firing Multi Laser with Flamethrower. Or use Hunter-Killers to demolish enemy vehicles. Other points of this fine vehicle:
	** Cheap (point-wise). You can spam them, get lots and lots of multilasers (it will please you), and a solid wall of AV12 metal in front.		** Cheap (point-wise). You can spam them, get lots and lots of multilasers (it will please you), and a solid wall of AV12 metal in front.
	** You can fire all your important shit (special weapons, which is, Melta and Plasma) out the top hatch. Letting you fry while staying safe from retaliation.		** You can fire all your important shit (special weapons, which is, Melta and Plasma) out the top hatch. Letting you fry while staying safe from retaliation.

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	Originally printed across [[Imperial Armour]] 5-7 to represent the forces of Chaos on [[Vraks]]. [[Forge World]] gave these guys a bit of a nod by updating their rules for the 5th Edition, while a far cry from being competitive in 6th edition, the way that Forge World are going and revising old rules means it might get a revamp sometime soon... but for the moment here you go.		Originally printed across [[Imperial Armour]] 5-7 to represent the forces of Chaos on [[Vraks]]. [[Forge World]] gave these guys a bit of a nod by updating their rules for the 5th Edition, while a far cry from being competitive in 6th edition, the way that Forge World are going and revising old rules means it might get a revamp sometime soon... but for the moment here you go.

	~~==TACTICS==~~

	~~===ALLIES===~~
	~~The Renegades & Heretics function identically to Chaos Space Marines with respect to what they can or cannot ally with.~~

	~~====Battle Brothers====~~
	*'''Chaos Space Marines''' - probably the most obvious one for both fluff and functionality. You get to combine the Helldrake AND Hydra flak tanks and DOMINATE the skies. As battle brothers your characters can join each others squads and/or benefit from each others abilities, so you can have an impressive number of psykers buffing each other up. Actually, any of the basic HQ units ''(but not Lords - see below)'' make good choices since Dark Apostles can make your massive renegade squads fearless & zealots and Warp Smiths can fix up your multitude of tanks that you'll probably have.
	**Weirdly this one probably works better in reverse, becoming allies for the marines instead of the other way around. Your big platoons/troops choices don't need to take up several FOC slots. Also, CSM Cult units ''(like Plague Marines or Khorne Berserkers which Renegades get access to anyway)'' cannot become troops in an allied detachment, so you really have to think about what to use your allies detachment FOC choices on. Since Renegades elite choices weren't particularly varied you never needed that many elites slots for renegades primary detachment anyway.
	*'''Chaos Daemons:''' A good source for psykers, good melee units and deep strike deployment, particularly of objective holding troops (such as ubiquitous [[Plaguebearer]]s or the 2+ re-rollable cover save [[Pink Horrors]]). Soul grinders of Nurgle are now unspeakably awesome because they automatically have a 5+ cover save due to shrouded and have 4 HP with AV 13! Fantastic mobile cover, and they pack a punch, too! Troops are no longer obscene amounts of points in this codex, either, and heralds are fuckcheap HQ units; the mandatory units in an allied detachment can cost as little as 135 points, meaning you could take Soul Grinder support in lists as small as 1000 points and still be none the worse for wear. Meanwhile, bloodthirsters follow the flying monstrous creature rules and have WS 10 (10!). Lords of change are mastery level 2 psykers by default, level 3 with the upgrade (which you will always take) and can take either Tzeentchy witchfire powers or Divination powers.
	**Protip: Wanna make your Bloodletters or Daemonettes actually survive so they can reach combat? Run them straight towards the enemy every turn, then park a rhino/chimera in front of them and block all incoming fire! Then deliver your delicious, demonic payload right into those helpless loyalist corpse-fuckers' sphincter!

	~~====Allies of Convenience====~~

	*'''Imperial Guard:''' - If you ally with Imperial Guard you've probably missed the point of playing a Renegades & Heretics Army, you have a lot of overlap with your units, but since you're only convenient allies you cannot join each others squads or benefit from orders. Plus, if it's just loads of tanks you want, ally with '''Armoured Companies''' instead.
	*'''Necrons:'''
	*'''Orks:''' The basic ork are like the '''Worker/Mutant rabbles''', but made worthy. Can be used to screening, in the FieldMek/"biggest ork/grot blob avaliable", (sort of) vanguard in the Warboss/Nobz/Battlewagon or the Bike Warboss/bike Nobz. Also a XBAWSHUEG blob of Lootas can do a good anti-air unit (they go usually at 5+. Going 6 is no great loss).
	*'''Tau:'''

	~~====Desperate Allies====~~

	*'''Dark Eldar:''' This could be a good (or at least interesting) pairing, with massive renegade blobs holding down the objectives while the Dark Eldar range ahead and blow things to pieces. Don't worry too much about the whole Desperate Allies thing; Renegades don't have that many abilities that would benefit the Dark Eldar, and the Dark Eldar ARE so much faster than the rest of your army that you don't need to worry about the whole One Eye Open, "we won't work within 6" of you" thing.

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