Warhammer 40,000/7th Edition Tactics/Renegades and Heretics - Revision history

imported>Administrator: 441 revisions imported

2023-06-24T15:53:19Z

441 revisions imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 15:53, 24 June 2023
(No difference)

imported>Administrator: 1 revision imported

2023-06-17T20:04:20Z

1 revision imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 20:04, 17 June 2023
(No difference)

2A02:1810:4E2C:A900:6C35:CDEB:3464:D76B: /* HQ */

2023-03-04T15:12:47Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:12, 4 March 2023
Line 72:		Line 72:

	===HQ===		===HQ===
	*'''1+ Renegade Command Squad:''' Compulsory guard-style command squad consisting of your commander; the Arch-Demagogue, and four to fourteen of his disciples. One guy can take a banner and another can take the Command-Vox, both are almost compulsory selections that will mitigate much of the army's morale problems. Only one guy can take a special weapon and two disciples can be turned into a Heavy Weapons Team (and are the only unit in the army that can take Flak Missiles) regardless of squad size, so larger squads don't necessarily become more effective. Chaos Covenants and Demagogue Devotions give additional army options, as described above.		*'''1+ Renegade Command Squad:''' Compulsory guard-style command squad consisting of your commander; the Arch-Demagogue, and four to fourteen of his disciples. One guy can take a banner and another can take the Command-Vox, both are almost compulsory selections that will mitigate much of the army's morale problems. Only one guy can take a special weapon and two disciples can be turned into a Heavy Weapons Team (and are the only unit in the army that can take Flak Missiles) regardless of squad size, so larger squads don't necessarily become more effective. Chaos Covenants and Demagogue Devotions give additional army options, as described above.
	**Since Archdemagogues are basically a buffmander that ~~doesnt~~ really have any hard hitting ability of their own you should either camp them in a chimaera/fortification/artillery unit or run them at max squad size. Don't give your opponent an easy warlord kill.		**Since Archdemagogues are basically a buffmander that doesn't really have any hard hitting ability of their own you should either camp them in a chimaera/fortification/artillery unit or run them at max squad size. Don't give your opponent an easy warlord kill.

	*'''0-1 Enforcer Cadre:''' Think evil commissars and you wont be far off, slightly better too since they have 2 wounds as standard. They are now much cheaper, but lost their reliable Ld and they can only be attached to Renegade Infantry / Mutant Rabbles / Renegade Veterans and they don't have the option of Chaos Covenants. However, they give the squad they are attached to +1 Ld and must kill one chosen model in the unit if they fail a morale check. This execution allows for a single re-roll.		*'''0-1 Enforcer Cadre:''' Think evil commissars and you wont be far off, slightly better too since they have 2 wounds as standard. They are now much cheaper, but lost their reliable Ld and they can only be attached to Renegade Infantry / Mutant Rabbles / Renegade Veterans and they don't have the option of Chaos Covenants. However, they give the squad they are attached to +1 Ld and must kill one chosen model in the unit if they fail a morale check. This execution allows for a single re-roll.
	**They may also take Combat Drug Injectors and give 50 Pistol/CCW Mutant squaddies four attacks on the charge!		**They may also take Combat Drug Injectors and give 50 Pistol/CCW Mutant squaddies four attacks on the charge!

1d4chan>Halian: Halian moved page Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Renegades and Heretics(7E) to Warhammer 40,000/7th Edition Tactics/Renegades and Heretics: harmonizing names of tactics articles

2023-02-06T03:28:51Z

Halian moved page Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Renegades and Heretics(7E) to Warhammer 40,000/7th Edition Tactics/Renegades and Heretics: harmonizing names of tactics articles

← Older revision	Revision as of 03:28, 6 February 2023
(No difference)

1d4chan>Nubnuber: updating hellhound links

2021-04-24T17:10:39Z

updating hellhound links

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:10, 24 April 2021
Line 147:		Line 147:
	===FAST ATTACK===		===FAST ATTACK===

	*'''Renegade''' '''[[Hellhound]]''' '''Squadron''' - The standard Hellhound is a very handy infantry-killer. If they're not Marine-equivalents (and even they will be hurting once the wounds pile up and they start failing saves), and not in a transport, they will die. What's that? You opponent has Rangers/Heavy Weapons Teams/snipers holed up in a building somewhere giving your commanders and high-value units a hard time? The Inferno Cannon laughs at cover. The range of the IC means that you can expect them to hit enemy infantry starting on turn 1 (move 12", fire 12", cover another 8" with flame template). Ran in support of longer-ranged anti-tank weapons for popping enemy transports, Hellhounds can also serve to finish off units from disembarked vehicles. In 7th edition, Fast vehicles can now fire 2 weapons at full BS at cruising speed, so enjoy the possibilities of hull weaponry combinations.		*'''Renegade''' '''[[Hellhound Tank\|Hellhound]]''' '''Squadron''' - The standard Hellhound is a very handy infantry-killer. If they're not Marine-equivalents (and even they will be hurting once the wounds pile up and they start failing saves), and not in a transport, they will die. What's that? You opponent has Rangers/Heavy Weapons Teams/snipers holed up in a building somewhere giving your commanders and high-value units a hard time? The Inferno Cannon laughs at cover. The range of the IC means that you can expect them to hit enemy infantry starting on turn 1 (move 12", fire 12", cover another 8" with flame template). Ran in support of longer-ranged anti-tank weapons for popping enemy transports, Hellhounds can also serve to finish off units from disembarked vehicles. In 7th edition, Fast vehicles can now fire 2 weapons at full BS at cruising speed, so enjoy the possibilities of hull weaponry combinations.
	**Keep in mind that Forgeworld buffs these tanks by making them torrent 18" instead of the standard 12". They list these things in the Weapon Summary page, for no discernible reason. It also comes cheaper than an IG hellhound for the same battlefield efficiency, templates aren't affected by the difference of BS 3 and BS 2.		**Keep in mind that Forgeworld buffs these tanks by making them torrent 18" instead of the standard 12". They list these things in the Weapon Summary page, for no discernible reason. It also comes cheaper than an IG hellhound for the same battlefield efficiency, templates aren't affected by the difference of BS 3 and BS 2.
	**In addition, you also have the two variants available. The Bane Wolf sacrifices most of your range for the potential to wipe out MEQ units in one shot, but if anything survives the chemical spray you will feel some pain. The Devil Dog on the other his a tank squadron destroyer, with its melta cannon able to threaten bunched up armor and does a decent job against TEQ. Being blast instead of template, the Devil Dog is also the only Hellhound variant to lack ignores cover on its main gun, and while that 1 inch of reduced scatter you'll get from militia training isn't much, it's more than the absolutely nothing your template weapons get.		**In addition, you also have the two variants available. The Bane Wolf sacrifices most of your range for the potential to wipe out MEQ units in one shot, but if anything survives the chemical spray you will feel some pain. The Devil Dog on the other his a tank squadron destroyer, with its melta cannon able to threaten bunched up armor and does a decent job against TEQ. Being blast instead of template, the Devil Dog is also the only Hellhound variant to lack ignores cover on its main gun, and while that 1 inch of reduced scatter you'll get from militia training isn't much, it's more than the absolutely nothing your template weapons get.

1d4chan>Nubnuber: updating chimera links

2021-04-23T23:54:29Z

updating chimera links

← Older revision		Revision as of 23:54, 23 April 2021
Line 104:		Line 104:

	===DEDICATED TRANSPORTS===		===DEDICATED TRANSPORTS===
	*'''[[Chimera]]:''' This is the gem of the [[Metal_Boxes\|MEHTAL BAWKS]] world. Heavy Bolter Snap firing with Multi Laser? This has become the hate machine it was supposed to be. But nothing stops you from Snap Firing Multi Laser with Flamethrower. Or slap an Autocannon on this thing to turn it into a micro-tank! Or use Hunter-Killers to demolish enemy vehicles. Other points of this fine vehicle:		*'''[[Chimera Transport\|Chimera]]:''' This is the gem of the [[Metal_Boxes\|MEHTAL BAWKS]] world. Heavy Bolter Snap firing with Multi Laser? This has become the hate machine it was supposed to be. But nothing stops you from Snap Firing Multi Laser with Flamethrower. Or slap an Autocannon on this thing to turn it into a micro-tank! Or use Hunter-Killers to demolish enemy vehicles. Other points of this fine vehicle:
	** Cheap (point-wise), even cheaper that the loyalists. You can spam them, get lots and lots of multilasers (it will please [[C.S. Goto\|him]]), and a solid wall of AV12 metal in front.		** Cheap (point-wise), even cheaper that the loyalists. You can spam them, get lots and lots of multilasers (it will please [[C.S. Goto\|him]]), and a solid wall of AV12 metal in front.
	** Save points by taking two heavy flamers and skipping on Militia Training.		** Save points by taking two heavy flamers and skipping on Militia Training.

1d4chan>Kimarous at 20:49, 23 May 2020

2020-05-23T20:49:31Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 20:49, 23 May 2020
Line 405:		Line 405:

	[[Category:Warhammer 40000 Tactics(7E)]]		[[Category:Warhammer 40000 Tactics(7E)]]

			{{Warhammer_40k_Tactics}}

174.64.11.9: /* Nor Are They Chaos Marines */

2018-12-16T00:10:25Z

Nor Are They Chaos Marines

← Older revision		Revision as of 00:10, 16 December 2018
Line 334:		Line 334:
	An important point about Guard is that they are not Space Marines, thus they are not as useful in certain situations, namely close combat. Similarly, Renegades, Master of Renegades options notwithstanding, are not Chaos Space Marines. Your assault units are just not of the same caliber, quality armor saves are at a premium, and your specialist assault kit is better suited for taking on vehicles than other infantry. But it’s not all bad news.		An important point about Guard is that they are not Space Marines, thus they are not as useful in certain situations, namely close combat. Similarly, Renegades, Master of Renegades options notwithstanding, are not Chaos Space Marines. Your assault units are just not of the same caliber, quality armor saves are at a premium, and your specialist assault kit is better suited for taking on vehicles than other infantry. But it’s not all bad news.

	First off, you can run away~~, when~~ CSMs, and their squishier compatriots can’t. Unlike CSMs, your characters never have to accept challenges they don’t wish to fight. More to the point, although not as uneventful as it is with Skaven, if done right, the penalties for refusal are of no consequence. For best results, lead from the rear, and always aim to put at least 3 ranks of infantry between your Champion and the point of contact. Also, Fearless is at a premium, so a judicious use of Our Weapons are Useless can keep pointless slugfests to a minimum (keyword here is ~~Pointless~~; sometimes, standing your ground is exactly what you want). Lastly, as you aren’t beholden to the whims of the Dark Gods in quite the same way CSMs are, you can focus on roles they aren’t optimized for.		First off, you can run away whereas CSMs and their squishier compatriots can’t. Unlike CSMs, your characters never have to accept challenges they don’t wish to fight. More to the point, although not as uneventful as it is with Skaven, if done right, the penalties for refusal are of no consequence. For best results, lead from the rear, and always aim to put at least 3 ranks of infantry between your Champion and the point of contact. Also, Fearless is at a premium, so a judicious use of Our Weapons are Useless can keep pointless slugfests to a minimum (keyword here is "pointless"; sometimes, standing your ground is exactly what you want). Lastly, as you aren’t beholden to the whims of the Dark Gods in quite the same way CSMs are, you can focus on roles they aren’t optimized for.

	*While not as talented offensively or defensively as their CSM/CD brethren, units with the covenant of Khorne are a bit better at abating assaults, especially against slower MCs.		*While not as talented offensively or defensively as their CSM/CD brethren, units with the covenant of Khorne are a bit better at abating assaults, especially against slower MCs.

109.76.47.54: /* DEDICATED TRANSPORTS */

2018-11-29T11:11:41Z

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:11, 29 November 2018
Line 105:		Line 105:
	===DEDICATED TRANSPORTS===		===DEDICATED TRANSPORTS===
	*'''[[Chimera]]:''' This is the gem of the [[Metal_Boxes\|MEHTAL BAWKS]] world. Heavy Bolter Snap firing with Multi Laser? This has become the hate machine it was supposed to be. But nothing stops you from Snap Firing Multi Laser with Flamethrower. Or slap an Autocannon on this thing to turn it into a micro-tank! Or use Hunter-Killers to demolish enemy vehicles. Other points of this fine vehicle:		*'''[[Chimera]]:''' This is the gem of the [[Metal_Boxes\|MEHTAL BAWKS]] world. Heavy Bolter Snap firing with Multi Laser? This has become the hate machine it was supposed to be. But nothing stops you from Snap Firing Multi Laser with Flamethrower. Or slap an Autocannon on this thing to turn it into a micro-tank! Or use Hunter-Killers to demolish enemy vehicles. Other points of this fine vehicle:
	** Cheap (point-wise), even cheaper that the loyalists. You can spam them, get lots and lots of multilasers (it will please ~~you~~), and a solid wall of AV12 metal in front.		** Cheap (point-wise), even cheaper that the loyalists. You can spam them, get lots and lots of multilasers (it will please [[C.S. Goto\|him]]), and a solid wall of AV12 metal in front.
	** Save points by taking two heavy flamers and skipping on Militia Training.		** Save points by taking two heavy flamers and skipping on Militia Training.
	** You can fire all your important shit (special weapons, which is, Melta and Plasma) out the top hatch. Letting you fry while staying safe from retaliation.		** You can fire all your important shit (special weapons, which is, Melta and Plasma) out the top hatch. Letting you fry while staying safe from retaliation.

109.76.47.54: /* Demagogue Devotions */

2018-11-29T09:29:40Z

Demagogue Devotions

← Older revision		Revision as of 09:29, 29 November 2018
Line 29:		Line 29:
	**'''4-5''' - Add +1 to Demagogue's S or T.		**'''4-5''' - Add +1 to Demagogue's S or T.
	**'''6''' - +1 to W, and model becomes Slow and Purposeful and Bulky. If rolled again, re-roll.		**'''6''' - +1 to W, and model becomes Slow and Purposeful and Bulky. If rolled again, re-roll.
	***Alternative opinion: Or you could ignore the random spawn hate and enjoy a super discounted unit of chaos spawn~~. Oh~~ shiiiiiiigibblegrubleshdgcydvaaaaaaargh!		***Alternative opinion: Or you could ignore the random spawn hate and enjoy a super discounted unit of chaos spawn-oh shiiiiiiigibblegrubleshdgcydvaaaaaaargh!
	*'''Master of the Horde''' - basically, Send In The Next Wave from Imperial Guard. Whenever a Renegade Infantry Squad numbering at least 15 models gets destroyed, roll. On a 5+, identical one is placed in '''Reserves''' (<s>would be so much better if they had written it as being put into ''Ongoing'' Reserves, but [[Forgeworld\|Forgeworld]]...</s> Forgeworld indicated with their FAQ that it is ongoing reserves, so yay!). It has all of the upgrades of the previous unit, but no Dedicated transport ''(unclear as to whether or not attached Enforcers return too, but we would lean toward not, as they strictly weren't bought as part of the "unit")''. If you pick this devotion, you '''must''' have at least two Renegade Infantry Platoons, but the max capacity of each Renegade Infantry Squads increases to 30. WAIT! forge world has confirmed via email that destroyed squads do indeed enter ONGOING RESERVES so drown your enemies in as many corpses as your wallet can muster!		*'''Master of the Horde''' - basically, Send In The Next Wave from Imperial Guard. Whenever a Renegade Infantry Squad numbering at least 15 models gets destroyed, roll. On a 5+, identical one is placed in '''Reserves''' (<s>would be so much better if they had written it as being put into ''Ongoing'' Reserves, but [[Forgeworld\|Forgeworld]]...</s> Forgeworld indicated with their FAQ that it is ongoing reserves, so yay!). It has all of the upgrades of the previous unit, but no Dedicated transport ''(unclear as to whether or not attached Enforcers return too, but we would lean toward not, as they strictly weren't bought as part of the "unit")''. If you pick this devotion, you '''must''' have at least two Renegade Infantry Platoons, but the max capacity of each Renegade Infantry Squads increases to 30. WAIT! forge world has confirmed via email that destroyed squads do indeed enter ONGOING RESERVES so drown your enemies in as many corpses as your wallet can muster!
	*'''Arch-heretic Revolutionary''' - Demagogue gains Zealot, and can take Covenant of Chaos at no additional cost. Any unit of Renegade Infantry or Veterans can be upgraded with Fanatic special rule for 20 pts. Renegade Enforcer cadre can take up to 10 Enforcers. While the Zealot rule and an army of "fanatics" is cool, this falls rather flat, instead of taking this 20 point upgrade most squads can take a Chaos Sigil for 5-10 which gives them pseudo fearless so long as the bearer is alive. Can be a practical primary detachment upgrade, since it allows your Warlord to have two Covenants of Chaos (one is granted from this specialization, without actually giving the "Chaos Covenant" special rule.) and thereby double up on Master of Renegade exclusives.		*'''Arch-heretic Revolutionary''' - Demagogue gains Zealot, and can take Covenant of Chaos at no additional cost. Any unit of Renegade Infantry or Veterans can be upgraded with Fanatic special rule for 20 pts. Renegade Enforcer cadre can take up to 10 Enforcers. While the Zealot rule and an army of "fanatics" is cool, this falls rather flat, instead of taking this 20 point upgrade most squads can take a Chaos Sigil for 5-10 which gives them pseudo fearless so long as the bearer is alive. Can be a practical primary detachment upgrade, since it allows your Warlord to have two Covenants of Chaos (one is granted from this specialization, without actually giving the "Chaos Covenant" special rule.) and thereby double up on Master of Renegade exclusives.