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	This is the [[Warhammer_40,000/Tactics(8E)\|current Edition's]] Death Korps of Krieg tactics. [[Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Imperial Guard(8E)\|General Imperial Guard tactics can be found here.]]		This is the [[Warhammer_40,000/Tactics(8E)\|current Edition's]] Death Korps of Krieg tactics. [[Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Imperial Guard(8E)\|General Imperial Guard tactics can be found here.]]

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	===Heavy Support===		===Heavy Support===
	*'''Death Korps Heavy Weapons Squad:''' Other than the higher WS, Krak Grenades, and Cult of Sacrifice, they're identical to the vanilla HWS - with the additional option to take heavy flamers. You might need to bring a couple along anyway though since you can't take heavy weapons in your regular infantry squads.		*'''Death Korps Heavy Weapons Squad:''' Other than the higher WS, Krak Grenades, and Cult of Sacrifice, they're identical to the vanilla HWS - with the additional option to take heavy flamers. You might need to bring a couple along anyway though since you can't take heavy weapons in your regular infantry squads.
	**Heavy Flamer teams are drastically the most cost effective way to get heavy flamers into your army, so much so that they are actually competitive with flamers (which does not usually happen, due to a heavy flamer costing more than two flamers). This gives them a radically ~~dofferent~~ role from what HWSs are used to, but they can be very effective when carried in a Valkyrie.		**Heavy Flamer teams are drastically the most cost effective way to get heavy flamers into your army, so much so that they are actually competitive with flamers (which does not usually happen, due to a heavy flamer costing more than two flamers). This gives them a radically different role from what HWSs are used to, but they can be very effective when carried in a Valkyrie.
	**Heavy Bolters and Twin Heavy Stubbers may compete with each other, as they both cost 8 points each, and are both direct-fire anti-infantry options. Against TEQs (T4 2+), Heavy Bolters win (0.9801 wounds on average vs 0.765 wounds on average). Against MEQs (T4 3+), either option is viable (1.485 wounds on average). Against GEQs (T3 5+), Twin Heavy Stubbers are better (3.9204 wounds on average vs 2.4948 wounds on average). Ultimately, Heavy Bolters are better against enemies with better saves, and Twin Heavy Stubbers are better against enemies with worse saves. The models for either weapon choice are very nice, so you can't lose there.		**Heavy Bolters and Twin Heavy Stubbers may compete with each other, as they both cost 8 points each, and are both direct-fire anti-infantry options. Against TEQs (T4 2+), Heavy Bolters win (0.9801 wounds on average vs 0.765 wounds on average). Against MEQs (T4 3+), either option is viable (1.485 wounds on average). Against GEQs (T3 5+), Twin Heavy Stubbers are better (3.9204 wounds on average vs 2.4948 wounds on average). Ultimately, Heavy Bolters are better against enemies with better saves, and Twin Heavy Stubbers are better against enemies with worse saves. The models for either weapon choice are very nice, so you can't lose there.
	**A full squad of mortars actually costs 3 pts ''less'' than it does in the AM Codex, although sadly they don't really benefit from Krieg's doctrines		**A full squad of mortars actually costs 3 pts ''less'' than it does in the AM Codex, although sadly they don't really benefit from Krieg's doctrines

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	==Important Rules References==		==Important Rules References==
	Games Workshop has been lax about propagating errata to their errata page, so FAQ links are included below. Current as of ~~May 15~~, ~~2018~~.		Games Workshop has been lax about propagating errata to their errata page, so FAQ links are included below. Current as of August 14, 2020.

	*'''Index: Forces of the Astra Militarum''' is your go-to. It has all the main rules for the Death Korps of Krieg and many of the units you can take.		*'''Index: Forces of the Astra Militarum''' is your go-to. It has all the main rules for the Death Korps of Krieg and many of the units you can take.

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	===Melee Weapons===		===Melee Weapons===
	Most of these are specific to one unit. The ones that aren't are listed below, and may be taken by sergeants and most characters. As of newer codex, Power Axe and Power Maul are no longer available options in Imperial Guard Armory, but you can simply field them using their Index entries. However, none of them will make you ''great'' at melee. Almost everything that can take something here gives up a chainsword to do so, although normal Commissars do not.		Most of these are specific to one unit. The ones that aren't are listed below, and may be taken by sergeants and most characters. As of newer codex, Power Axe and Power Maul are no longer available options in Imperial Guard Armory, <strike>but you can simply field them using their Index entries.</strike>''(Legends)'' However, none of them will make you ''great'' at melee. Almost everything that can take something here gives up a chainsword to do so, although normal Commissars do not.

	*'''Chainsword:''' Some credit must be given to the old standby. In addition to being free, it gives an extra attack with it. This is why Watchmasters should give all of the other options here a complete miss, unless maybe they have a priest.		*'''Chainsword:''' Some credit must be given to the old standby. In addition to being free, it gives an extra attack with it. This is why Watchmasters should give all of the other options here a complete miss, unless maybe they have a priest.

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	*'''Death Korps Combat Engineer Squad:''' Shotgun infantry with decent armour. Overall not super inspiring until you see their shotguns have Carcass Shot, which wounds anything (except Vehicles) on a 2+. Carnifex? 2+ Wound. Ogryns? 2+ Wound. You lose the model if you roll a 1 on the hit roll. BUT buff them with a nearby <s>Guilliman (gross, or don't and have some class. You are a Guard player after all, not a WAAC Tau reject left over from 7th)</s> Yarrik and say hello to rerolls of 1 to hit. Carcass Shot vs GEQs, MEQs and TEQs is basically a Plasma Gun with AP 0.		*'''Death Korps Combat Engineer Squad:''' Shotgun infantry with decent armour. Overall not super inspiring until you see their shotguns have Carcass Shot, which wounds anything (except Vehicles) on a 2+. Carnifex? 2+ Wound. Ogryns? 2+ Wound. You lose the model if you roll a 1 on the hit roll. BUT buff them with a nearby <s>Guilliman (gross, or don't and have some class. You are a Guard player after all, not a WAAC Tau reject left over from 7th)</s> Yarrik and say hello to rerolls of 1 to hit. Carcass Shot vs GEQs, MEQs and TEQs is basically a Plasma Gun with AP 0.
	**You can use the Grenadiers stratagem to toss up to 10 acid grenades at once.		**You can use the Grenadiers stratagem to toss up to 10 acid grenades at once.
	**These guys are ''incredible'' - they cost a point ''less'' than Grenadiers for what amounts to the same model with the addition of an acid gas grenade, although they are Elites and hence cannot get Objective Secured. You can keep their shotguns, which, unlike hot-shot lasguns, are worth spending a point on, or swap out for special weapons to demonstrate superiority over Grenadiers - 2 plasma gunners, a boltgun on the sergeant, and a heavy flamer team will get you the same output as a Grenadier squad with the same loadout, except your guys also have acid gas grenades and cost ''less''. The plasma gunners can carry meltaguns instead, of course, and either way can be stuffed in a Valkyrie and dropped in sets of 3 squads directly into your enemy's lap.		**These guys are ''incredible'' - they cost a point ''less'' than Grenadiers for what amounts to the same model with the addition of an acid gas grenade (actually are the same price now that hotshot lasguns are free), although they are Elites and hence cannot get Objective Secured. You can keep their shotguns, which, unlike hot-shot lasguns, are worth spending a point on, or swap out for special weapons to demonstrate superiority over Grenadiers - 2 plasma gunners, a boltgun on the sergeant, and a heavy flamer team will get you the same output as a Grenadier squad with the same loadout, except your guys also have acid gas grenades and cost ''less''. The plasma gunners can carry meltaguns instead, of course, and either way can be stuffed in a Valkyrie and dropped in sets of 3 squads directly into your enemy's lap.
	**A bit of MathHammer shows the following averages: 864pts of Combat Engineers will put out 216 shots, hitting on 3s and wounding GEQs, MEQs and TEQs on 2+ with a 5+/3+/2+ save respectively and 2 wounds, killing 640pts/160 models of GEQs, 1040pts/80 models of MEQs and 960pts/20 models of TEQs; while losing 288pts/36 Engineers in return. Thus, ignoring other factors the kills to deaths ratio will always be in your favour by a factor of 585:1300, 360:1300 or 390:1300 respectively and Carcass Shot is most productive when used on MEQs.		**A bit of MathHammer shows the following averages: 864pts of Combat Engineers will put out 216 shots, hitting on 3s and wounding GEQs, MEQs and TEQs on 2+ with a 5+/3+/2+ save respectively and 2 wounds, killing 640pts/160 models of GEQs, 1040pts/80 models of MEQs and 960pts/20 models of TEQs; while losing 288pts/36 Engineers in return. Thus, ignoring other factors the kills to deaths ratio will always be in your favour by a factor of 585:1300, 360:1300 or 390:1300 respectively and Carcass Shot is most productive when used on MEQs.
	*'''Death Korps Death Rider Command Squad:''' A must-have for any list focusing on Death Riders. Taking this squad along allows them and up to 5 other Death Rider units to deploy via outflanking at the end of any movement phase. Use in combination with the Death Rider officer, above, and a few squads of Death Riders, below, to outflank an entire detachment! Aside from this they're the same as an understrength Death Rider Squad, as they lost the ability to take a Standard.		*'''Death Korps Death Rider Command Squad:''' A must-have for any list focusing on Death Riders. Taking this squad along allows them and up to 5 other Death Rider units to deploy via outflanking at the end of any movement phase. Use in combination with the Death Rider officer, above, and a few squads of Death Riders, below, to outflank an entire detachment! Aside from this they're the same as an understrength Death Rider Squad, as they lost the ability to take a Standard.

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Vehicle Weapons

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	There are many weapons that are only available on vehicles, and other weapons that are also available to infantry have different tactics when mounted. (note, this list is currently incomplete)		There are many weapons that are only available on vehicles, and other weapons that are also available to infantry have different tactics when mounted. (note, this list is currently incomplete)

	*'''Multi-Melta:''' 24" Heavy 1 S8 AP-4 D1d6. If you're within 12" of the target you roll 2D6 for damage and take the highest. Leman Russ Demolishers can find some use out of this to brawl with enemy heavy vehicles and monsters, although they'll take a penalty for firing on the move. Cost is unchanged from 7th, at the same 20 point cost as a ~~missile launcher or~~ lascannon, but because it's so difficult to get it into range for the increased damage, particularly without incurring a -1 penalty to hit, and due to how AP works in 8E, you're usually better off with a lascannon against T8 (or incredibly rare T9) targets; the Multi-Melta remains far superior against <-T7 with 3+ or better saves, but the big issue remains getting into range - lighter vehicles like that are faster, and you don't want to be fighting infantry hordes with either weapon - and it's not like you can rely on your opponent leaving his T8 at home. Plus, Multi-Meltas are hurt ''far'' more by invuln saves than lascannons are. Your more reliable anti-tank choice is always going to be the lascannon, for the same cost.		*'''Multi-Melta:''' 24" Heavy 1 S8 AP-4 D1d6. If you're within 12" of the target you roll 2D6 for damage and take the highest. Leman Russ Demolishers can find some use out of this to brawl with enemy heavy vehicles and monsters, although they'll take a penalty for firing on the move. Cost is unchanged from 7th, at the same 15 point cost as a lascannon, but because it's so difficult to get it into range for the increased damage, particularly without incurring a -1 penalty to hit, and due to how AP works in 8E, you're usually better off with a lascannon against T8 (or incredibly rare T9) targets; the Multi-Melta remains far superior against <-T7 with 3+ or better saves, but the big issue remains getting into range - lighter vehicles like that are faster, and you don't want to be fighting infantry hordes with either weapon - and it's not like you can rely on your opponent leaving his T8 at home. Plus, Multi-Meltas are hurt ''far'' more by invuln saves than lascannons are. Your more reliable anti-tank choice is always going to be the lascannon, for the same cost.
	*'''Plasma Cannon:''' 36" Heavy D3 S7 AP-3 D1 or S8 AP-3 D2 Gets Hot. ''Someone found the manual!'' If a korpsman overcharges it, it gets the more powerful statline, but a 1 on the hit roll kills you. Yes, that's correct - no armor save, you're just ''dead.'' The ones on Leman Russ sponsons have special vents to survive this, taking only a single mortal wound per 1 rolled. Cost is unchanged from 7th, though when buying just one, you only pay for one. Careful firing on the move or against Tyranids with venomthropes; those -1 to-hit modifiers now make it much more likely to roll that 1, at least until GW regains its sanity and makes it only a natural one.		*'''Plasma Cannon:''' 36" Heavy D3 S7 AP-3 D1 or S8 AP-3 D2 Gets Hot. ''Someone found the manual!'' If a korpsman overcharges it, it gets the more powerful statline, but a 1 on the hit roll kills you. Yes, that's correct - no armor save, you're just ''dead.'' The ones on Leman Russ sponsons have special vents to survive this, taking only a single mortal wound per 1 rolled. Cost is unchanged from 7th, though when buying just one, you only pay for one. Careful firing on the move or against Tyranids with venomthropes; those -1 to-hit modifiers now make it much more likely to roll that 1, at least until GW regains its sanity and makes it only a natural one.
	**When fired on normal mode, this is equal to or worse than an autocannon against everything in the game with 2 or more wounds, but often better against 1-wound targets, since the improved AP helps, while the difference in Damage doesn't matter. In overcharged mode, it completely puts the autocannon to shame - but even with re-rolling 1s to hit, you run a 5.45% chance every time you fire it of slaying the wielder, and the wielders you don't mind losing - heavy weapons teams - can't carry it. That's a whopping 29.78% chance to lose the wielder without the buff, incidentally. On top of all this, its ''only'' advantage over a plasma gun is range - its average rate of fire is the same as a plasma gun within rapid fire range, and a plasma gun can be carried by a Moving wielder without penalty, while costing ''less than half'' of what a plasma cannon does. By and large, avoid this weapon if you can.		**When fired on normal mode, this is equal to or worse than an autocannon against everything in the game with 2 or more wounds, but often better against 1-wound targets, since the improved AP helps, while the difference in Damage doesn't matter. In overcharged mode, it completely puts the autocannon to shame - but even with re-rolling 1s to hit, you run a 5.45% chance every time you fire it of slaying the wielder, and the wielders you don't mind losing - heavy weapons teams - can't carry it. That's a whopping 29.78% chance to lose the wielder without the buff, incidentally. On top of all this, its ''only'' advantage over a plasma gun is range - its average rate of fire is the same as a plasma gun within rapid fire range, and a plasma gun can be carried by a Moving wielder without penalty, while costing ''less than half'' of what a plasma cannon does. By and large, avoid this weapon if you can.