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1d4chan>Quindraco: Just like all Codex Marines are folded into Space Marines, we should be assuming all Regiments without their own Codex are folded into Imperial Guard.

2017-08-30T17:37:30Z

Just like all Codex Marines are folded into Space Marines, we should be assuming all Regiments without their own Codex are folded into Imperial Guard.

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	===Melee Weapons=== (EDIT : Elyssian may use Power Fist and Power Sword only in melee type weapons. They cant use chain sword !!		===Melee Weapons===
			(EDIT : Elyssian may use Power Fist and Power Sword only in melee type weapons. They cant use chain sword !!

	Most of these are specific to one unit. The the ones that aren't are listed below, and may be taken by sergeants and most characters.		Most of these are specific to one unit. The the ones that aren't are listed below, and may be taken by sergeants and most characters.

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	===Melee Weapons===		===Melee Weapons=== (EDIT : Elyssian may use Power Fist and Power Sword only in melee type weapons. They cant use chain sword !!

	Most of these are specific to one unit. The the ones that aren't are listed below, and may be taken by sergeants and most characters.		Most of these are specific to one unit. The the ones that aren't are listed below, and may be taken by sergeants and most characters.
	*'''Power Fist:''' Sx2 AP-3, but forces a -1 to hit on the model using it. Company Commanders and Lord Commissars won't feel that too much, but Veteran Sergeants and Platoon Commanders may. Given its astronomical cost relative to your other melee options in addition to being inaccurate, generally a poor choice.		*'''Power Fist:''' Sx2 AP-3, but forces a -1 to hit on the model using it. Company Commanders and Lord Commissars won't feel that too much, but Veteran Sergeants and Platoon Commanders may. Given its astronomical cost relative to your other melee options in addition to being inaccurate, generally a poor choice.

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	===Ranged Weapons===		===Ranged Weapons===
	*'''Lasgun:''' Your trusty flashlight hasn't changed, really, but because of the way strength rolls against wounds now, you stand a chance of actually making a small dent in anything. You'll need a lot of shots (and hits), but gone are the days when a lone model with high toughness and some bullshit save can creep its way to your 50 guardsmen without so much as a scratch. Worse against TEQ HQs and others who now have more wounds, unless they also have T5 or 7+ where the buffing to wound makes up for it.		*'''Lasgun:''' Your trusty flashlight hasn't changed, really, but because of the way strength rolls against wounds now, you stand a chance of actually making a small dent in anything. You'll need a lot of shots (and hits), but gone are the days when a lone model with high toughness and some bullshit save can creep its way to your 50 guardsmen without so much as a scratch. Worse against TEQ HQs and others who now have more wounds, unless they also have T5 or 7+ where the buffing to wound makes up for it.
	*'''Laspistol:''' Like the Lasgun, it's not a huge threat by itself, but it clocks in at the low-low price of zero points. ~~Sergeants~~ and ~~Platoon/Company Commanders get~~ it ~~by default, and~~ you can swap ~~out Command Squad's~~ Lasguns ~~for this~~ and a ~~close combat weapon... which you probably shouldn't do unless you have something specific in mind~~.		*'''Laspistol:''' Like the Lasgun, it's not a huge threat by itself, but it clocks in at the low-low price of zero points. If something comes stock with this weapon and has the option of exchanging it you probably should. Sergeants can swap them for Lasguns or Plasma Pistols and your officers can take a Boltgun or Plasma Pistol.
	*'''Bolt Pistol:''' S4 AP-0, almost universally a better choice than the crappy flashlight pistol your sergeant/Officer starts out with. Commissars and Lord Commissars start out with this.		*'''Bolt Pistol:''' S4 AP-0, almost universally a better choice than the crappy flashlight pistol your sergeant/Officer starts out with. Commissars and Lord Commissars start out with this.
	*'''Boltgun:''' Rapid Fire 1 S4 AP-0 1 D. ~~Functionally free for~~ (~~Lord~~) ~~Commissars, as they start with a compulsory 1 point pistol they can swap out~~ for ~~one of these 1 point guns, meaning the model's cost is the same with either loadout~~. ~~Sergeants and Commanders can also take this, which you usually should~~ unless you want the ~~trinket below~~.		*'''Boltgun:''' Rapid Fire 1 S4 AP-0 1 D. (Added to Elysian ranged weapons in faq 1.0) Very efficient upgrade for officers. Should generally be taken unless you want the plasma pistol.
	*'''Plasma Pistol:''' ~~No longer the ever-present risk it used~~ to be ~~unless you overcharge it, this weapon is your anti-MEQ~~ and ~~better at S7 AP-3~~. ~~If you~~ overcharge ~~it, the pistol becomes S8 AP-3 2 D, enough to one-shot Terminators,~~ but ~~if you roll a 1~~ the ~~model suffers an uber-gets hot and is removed from play as a casualty. Unlike fairly cheap guardsmen and veterans,~~ you do ~~''not'' want~~ to ~~get your character killed just because~~ of ~~one bad roll. The 8th ed. trick of firing pistols while in melee is a huge boost as well~~.		*'''Plasma Pistol:''' Going to be a common choice on Veteran squad sergeants and officers. In both cases its a points efficient upgrade. You do not have to use overcharge when shooting with officers but in the cases where you do Elysians do it better than most thanks to Officer of the Fleet.
	*'''Shotgun:''' Buffed since last edition, but not by much. Only available to vets. The Shotgun is still 12" Assault 2. OH and it can't accept FRFSRF. However, the shotgun does have a little quirk. Should the enemy get to 6 inches, the weapon [[Awesome\|becomes str 4]] AP-0, hilariously becoming makeshift Bolters with assault or shootas. An interesting and fluffy choice.		*'''Shotgun:''' Buffed since last edition, but not by much. Only available to vets. The Shotgun is still 12" Assault 2. OH and it can't accept FRFSRF. However, the shotgun does have a little quirk. Should the enemy get to 6 inches, the weapon [[Awesome\|becomes str 4]] AP-0, hilariously becoming makeshift Bolters with assault or shootas. An interesting and fluffy choice.

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	However, like most races right now they have lost a lot of their interesting items, such as the long range scanner. Also, some moron thought it'd be clever to not list sniper rifles as a special weapon meaning that you have to use the sniper squad instead arming a command squad with sniper rifles. Lame.		However, like most races right now they have lost a lot of their interesting items, such as the long range scanner. Also, some moron thought it'd be clever to not list sniper rifles as a special weapon meaning that you have to use the sniper squad instead arming a command squad with sniper rifles. Lame.

	~~==Elysian Drop Troops==~~
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1d4chan>Lontt: /* Unit Analysis */

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 *'''Elysian Heavy Weapons Team:''' These guys are your heavy hitters if uses right. Alot of playing Elysians is about calculated strikes. With their special order Move and Fire, you can drop in missile teams or heavy bolter teams with an officer. This makes their weapons count as assault so you can fire at full BS. Mortar teams aren't as useful for deep striking bit with volume of shots they can sit back and hammer fodder from 48 inches while holding a point. Plus they're only 30 points.
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	In addition to those below, you can take:		In addition to those below, you can take:

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	*'''Elysian Company Commander:''' Basically a IG company commander but a bit better. Can give two orders and can drop. Iron discipline is ~~pretty sweet~~. ~~Keep him at your gun line (~~for ~~the guys who don't drop) or drop him with a~~ plasma ~~command squad~~ for ~~MAXIMUM PAIN (he can order them to reroll~~ 1s to ~~hit). That said, he may be better off close~~ to ~~multiple~~ squads to ~~fully utilise his two orders (single unit can't take more than two orders a turn). Give him a power first for~~ the ~~lulz~~.		*'''Elysian Company Commander:''' Basically a IG company commander but a bit better. Can give two orders and can drop. Iron discipline is good, proximity to this guy makes any Elysian as brave as a Space Marine. Tempestus or regular guard players will utilize their officers to re-roll ones for their plasma squads. We can do this as well but for maximum punch we will be granting re-roll 1s to wound to our plasma squads with our officers, leaving re-roll ones to the OotF.

	*'''Elysian Lord Commissar:''' Well how'd you like that, Elysians have commissars now. He can drop. ~~Good for keep up morale~~. ~~There you have it~~.		*'''Elysian Lord Commissar:''' Well how'd you like that, Elysians have commissars now. He can drop. He is more expensive than our Company Commander and is redundant in most cases. Elysian officers grant Iron Discipline and squad leaders are at leadership 8, combine with Elysians having no squads exceeding 10 men means he will never really be useful.

	===Elites===		===Elites===

	*'''Elysian Special Weapons Squad:''' 6 models~~. Drop rule. Breacher Charges. Not too bad~~, ~~but it's~~ a ~~toss up between these guys and the command squad~~. ~~As a note, breacher~~ charges are not ~~total garbage~~ (~~though still not the same as demo charges~~). On a ~~4+ inflict D3 damage on a model~~. ~~D6 against vehicles, building, or monsters. Not too bad.~~		*'''Elysian Special Weapons Squad:''' 6 models, all have lasguns and 3 of them get to take a Breacher Charge or Special Weapon in addition to their lasgun. The Breacher charges are not a good option (see above) but plasma is and melta is acceptable. As a special weapon squad this unit is far worse at bring special weapons fire to the field than the command squad is. This squad with 3 plasma guns costs 51 points where a command squad with 4 plasma guns costs 56 points and bring 1 point better BS to the party. These guys find their usefulness based on the command squads being limited by the number of officers present in the detachment. Point for point they are a better source of plasma than Veteran Squads but that is before taking in to account the points cost of orders and anchors.

	~~These guys really shine when you load them up~~ with plasma guns~~. 6 shots when you deepstrike, that's gunna hurt alot for~~ 51 points. ~~And put an officer nearby~~ for ~~Take Aim so~~ they ~~reroll hits~~ of ~~1 then unleash~~ the ~~supercharge for Strength 8 Damage 2 pain~~.

	*'''Drop Sentinels:''' Can be very very useful, but not really... They can take multi-meltas and deep strike which can be amazing. However they are only BS 4+, which with a one shot weapon is not so reliable. On the bright, aerial drop being far more reliable and 9 being less than 12 means that if they DO hist with mutli-melta, they're taking a vehicle to pound town. 60 points for a model (with multi-melta), same price as a base lord commissar, 10 more than a base drop troop squad. Make of that what you will.		*'''Drop Sentinels:''' Can be very very useful, but not really... They can take multi-meltas and deep strike which can be amazing. However they are only BS 4+, which with a one shot weapon is not so reliable. On the bright, aerial drop being far more reliable and 9 being less than 12 means that if they DO hist with mutli-melta, they're taking a vehicle to pound town. 60 points for a model (with multi-melta), same price as a base lord commissar, 10 more than a base drop troop squad. Make of that what you will.
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	*'''Elysian Command Squad:''' These guys are pretty great. You have OPTIONS. Support other troops with medi-pack and standard? Hell yeah. But hey, what if the squad that needs you the most is way over theeeere? Drop time. Pretty sweet. But wait there's more! Compare to the special weapons squad. Same slot (elites), greater points cost per model, two less models. Hm, I guess they aren't all that? WRONG, one more special weapon, hitting on 3+. Pair with a platoon commander, arm with plasmas, and watch the enemy hate on them. They'll die, by the Emperor they'll die standing!		*'''Elysian Command Squad:''' These guys are pretty great. You have OPTIONS. Support other troops with medi-pack and standard? Hell yeah. But hey, what if the squad that needs you the most is way over theeeere? Drop time. Pretty sweet. But wait there's more! Compare to the special weapons squad. Same slot (elites), greater points cost per model, two less models. Hm, I guess they aren't all that? WRONG, one more special weapon, hitting on 3+. Pair with a platoon commander, arm with plasmas, and watch the enemy hate on them. They'll die, by the Emperor they'll die standing!

			*'''Officer of the fleet:''' Pretty marginal and fun choice for your regular Astra Militarum players, not so for Elysians. The OotF's abillity to designate a target unit, thus granting re-roll ones to hit for all ELYSIAN units targeting that unit, makes him a cornerstone of any Elysian force. At only 25 points this character has Aerial Drop, the target designation mentione above and an abillity that dishes out mortal wounds. Better in some ways than Harker and Yarrick and worse in others, much cheaper than both and you get to take multiples.
			**'''It is not an order:''' The abillity to grant re-roll to hit or to wound rolls of 1 is very powerfull. Since OotF is not giving out an order to buff your troops your standard company commander can throw in an order as well. As such you can consistently have re-roll 1s to hit and to wound or re-roll 1s to hit while using first-rank-second-rank or back in the fight.
	===Troops===		===Troops===
	*'''Elysian Drop Trooper Squad:''' A squad of guardsmen that can drop anywhere on the table and cost a little bit more. While a single squad of guardsmen isn't much, orders can make them effective. With first rank fire, second rank fire you can deepstrike in and drop 40 shots on someone. But the true use for these guys is field control. Long as you have a squad in reserve you can quickly snatch those objectives. And at 50 points you can take alot of bodies to flood the field.		*'''Elysian Drop Trooper Squad:''' A squad of guardsmen that can drop anywhere on the table and cost a little bit more. While a single squad of guardsmen isn't much, orders can make them effective. With first rank fire, second rank fire you can deepstrike in and drop 40 shots on someone. But the true use for these guys is field control. Long as you have a squad in reserve you can quickly snatch those objectives. And at 50 points you can take alot of bodies to flood the field.