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	The latest FAQ can be found [https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Horus-Heresy-General-Errata-and-FAQ-v1.1-Final.pdf here] (February 2019)		The latest FAQ can be found [https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Horus-Heresy-General-Errata-and-FAQ-v1.1-Final.pdf here] (February 2019)

			Their Second Edition tactics can be found [https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/Imperialis_Militia here], and their rules [https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/#the-horus-heresy here].


	==Why Play Imperial Militia and Cults==		==Why Play Imperial Militia and Cults==
	While not an overly powerful army, it is one of the most customisable armies you'll ever find <s>outside of</s> including 40k [[Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Renegades_And_Heretics(8E)\|Renegades and Heretics]]. These guys represent the mish-mash of military units found across the galaxy before anyone sat down and formalized the Imperial Guard (and sometimes before they were part of the Imperial Army). Remember all those Exemplary Battles of [[Great_Crusade\|Astartes vs non-compliant humans]]? This is the perfect list to model them - the ''true face of the Great Crusade''. So you can build an army of cyber augmented Skitarii wannabes, a feral world regiment of jungle warriors, a pre-compliant civilization or even a full-fledged [[Chaos Cults\|Chaos cult]].		While not an overly powerful army, it is one of the most customisable armies you'll ever find <s>outside of</s> including 40k [[Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Renegades_And_Heretics(8E)\|Renegades and Heretics]]. These guys represent the mish-mash of military units found across the galaxy before anyone sat down and formalized the Imperial Guard (and sometimes before they were part of the Imperial Army). Remember all those Exemplary Battles of [[Great_Crusade\|Astartes vs non-compliant humans]]? This is the perfect list to model them - the ''true face of the Great Crusade''. So you can build an army of cyber augmented Skitarii wannabes, a feral world regiment of jungle warriors, a pre-compliant civilization or even a full-fledged [[Chaos Cults\|Chaos cult]].

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Cardboard is commonly accepted to mean carapace, not flak.

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	====Special Issue Gear & Armour====		====Special Issue Gear & Armour====
	*'''Flak Armour:''' Default for most units and characters. It's a 5+ save but you know that's practically worthless in a marine heavy environment like the Horus Heresy. However with the right Provenance, beefed up flak is as good as Carapace Armour. At least it's better than...		*'''Flak Armour:''' Default for most units and characters. It's a 5+ save but you know that's practically worthless in a marine heavy environment like the Horus Heresy. However with the right Provenance, beefed up flak is as good as Carapace Armour. At least it's better than...
	*'''Sub-Flak Armour:''' When you thought Flak offered as much defense as ~~cardboard~~. Sub-Flak is more like wet tissue paper, offering only a 6+ save. Even ''Survivors of the Dark Age'' wont offer any relief cause you're only bumping back to 5+ ''(still useless)'' Thankfully only your disposable Levy squads wear this, so it doesn't really matter if they die.		*'''Sub-Flak Armour:''' When you thought Flak offered as much defense as your t-shirt. Sub-Flak is more like wet tissue paper, offering only a 6+ save. Even ''Survivors of the Dark Age'' wont offer any relief cause you're only bumping back to 5+ ''(still useless)'' Thankfully only your disposable Levy squads wear this, so it doesn't really matter if they die.
	*'''Carapace Armour:''' comes standard on Grenadiers and can be bought as an upgrade for your HQ units. DO THIS even if you don't take the ''Survivors'' provenance, it gives you an actual save against bolt weapons.		*'''Carapace Armour:''' comes standard on Grenadiers and can be bought as an upgrade for your HQ units. DO THIS even if you don't take the ''Survivors'' provenance, it gives you an actual save against bolt weapons.
	*'''Power Armour:''' you know what this does. Sadly 3+ is as good as it gets; it is not further upgraded using Provenances and you can find ways to get yourself a 3++ save instead, so buying it is strictly optional.		*'''Power Armour:''' you know what this does. Sadly 3+ is as good as it gets; it is not further upgraded using Provenances and you can find ways to get yourself a 3++ save instead, so buying it is strictly optional.

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Provenances of War

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	*'''Survivors of a Dark Age:''' Very powerful... Every eligible units gains +1 to their armour save ''(to a maximum of 3+)'', which essentially means Grenadiers are wearing Power Armour. The compulsory Troops must be Grenadier squads.		*'''Survivors of a Dark Age:''' Very powerful... Every eligible units gains +1 to their armour save ''(to a maximum of 3+)'', which essentially means Grenadiers are wearing Power Armour. The compulsory Troops must be Grenadier squads.
	**'''Advanced Weaponry:''' Grenadiers and Platoon Command Squads can buy +1 Strength for their las weapons or rotor cannons, which is very good but gets expensive since all squads have to pay if the upgrade is taken and you have to pay 20 points per squad. Grenadier squads and Command squads can also purchase a Rhino a [[Awesome\|Land Raider Proteus]], or a [[Tunneling_Transport_Vehicles#Termite\|Termite Assault Drill]] as dedicated transports. YES!		**'''Advanced Weaponry:''' Grenadiers and Platoon Command Squads can buy +1 Strength for their las weapons or rotor cannons, which is very good but gets expensive since all squads have to pay if the upgrade is taken and you have to pay 20 points per squad. Grenadier squads and Command squads can also purchase a Rhino a [[Awesome\|Land Raider Proteus]], or a [[Tunneling_Transport_Vehicles#Termite\|Termite Assault Drill]] as dedicated transports. YES!
	***The +1 Strength to regular ~~las weapons~~ isn't all that useful in reality, as the Grenadiers have to pay 10 points to get ~~lascarbines~~ before the 20 points to get +1 Strength, whereas bolters cost 30 points. Likewise, the Command Squad start with lascarbines but can upgrade to bolters for 20 points, meaning in many cases you may as well get the bolters and just be wannabe Space Marines.		***The +1 Strength to regular lascarbines isn't all that useful in reality, as the Grenadiers have to pay 10 points to get them before the 20 points to get +1 Strength, whereas bolters cost 30 points. Likewise, the Command Squad start with lascarbines but can upgrade to bolters for 20 points, meaning in many cases you may as well get the bolters and just be wannabe Space Marines.
	***It DOES have uses with lasrifles (30" S4 Rapid Fire) or laslocks (S5 Assault 1), as well as rotor cannons (3/4 shots at 15"/30" S4 firepower), which are all superior to bolters in one way or another. Enemies are likely getting saves either way.		***It DOES have uses with lasrifles (30" S4 Rapid Fire) or laslocks (18" S5 Assault 1), as well as rotor cannons (3/4 shots at 15"/30" S4 firepower), which are all superior to bolters in one way or another. Enemies are likely getting saves either way.
	**Can't be combined with Cult Horde or Tainted Flesh provenances. ''~ Your world is too civilized for [[Chaos]].''		**Can't be combined with Cult Horde or Tainted Flesh provenances. ''~ Your world is too civilized for [[Chaos]].''

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Why Play Imperial Militia and Cults

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	**Even with the huge amount of customisation options you have only a few choices of unit per FOC slot and some of them can be entirely written off or made compulsory depending upon your Provenance selection, leaving you with less room to do your own thing.		**Even with the huge amount of customisation options you have only a few choices of unit per FOC slot and some of them can be entirely written off or made compulsory depending upon your Provenance selection, leaving you with less room to do your own thing.
	**It's more of a side note, but there are a mass of misprints in the army list that means you need to be a bit liberal in your interpretation. An example would be the Rogue Psykers not having a points cost, or Grenadier Squad starting off with Auxilia Rifles but [[Fail\|only being allowed to replace their non-existent Lascarbines]], makes the entire thing feel rushed and not up to the standard of most Forgeworld stuff. Make sure you don't play [[That Guy]] with this list, you've been warned.		**It's more of a side note, but there are a mass of misprints in the army list that means you need to be a bit liberal in your interpretation. An example would be the Rogue Psykers not having a points cost, or Grenadier Squad starting off with Auxilia Rifles but [[Fail\|only being allowed to replace their non-existent Lascarbines]], makes the entire thing feel rushed and not up to the standard of most Forgeworld stuff. Make sure you don't play [[That Guy]] with this list, you've been warned.
	**Unless you're playing a Traitor horde-oriented Provenance list, everything you can do, Space Marines will likely have a unit, ruleset, or somethingorother that will do what that unit is intended to do just as well, if not better for the cost (simply due to HH being focused mostly about Space Marines at the height of their military power and their ~~extended~~ galaxy-wide family squabble in general). You just gotta accept it.		**Unless you're playing a Traitor horde-oriented Provenance list, everything you can do, Space Marines will likely have a unit, ruleset, or somethingorother that will do what that unit is intended to do just as well, if not better for the cost (simply due to HH being focused mostly about Space Marines at the height of their military power and their galaxy-wide family squabble in general). You just gotta accept it.

	==Special Rules==		==Special Rules==

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	===HQ===		===HQ===
	*'''0-1 Force Commander:''' An Independent character with a relatively poor statline compared to every other unit in the Age of Darkness (such is to be a man in a time of giants), worse even than the Solar Auxilia's Legate Commander, but you don't want him for his combat skills, but because you NEED him in order to purchase Provenances of War, so you are going to have him. Furthermore, he can pay 20pts for the ability to <u>choose his Warlord trait</u> instead of rolling for it, so you can reliably pull some pretty powerful combinations like using the -1AP with your Heavy Weapon squads, which is the only one you'll ever pick because your choices are limited to the Militia Cults WL trait list only and the other five are balls. He's pretty customizable, starting with a 5++ that can be upgraded up to a 3++, and can buy power armour as well as a variety of melee weapons and pistols for those times you want him to pull his weight after you used your WT, but don't expect him to be a hero unit. Remember: at T3, (unless you bought the ''Gene-~~forged~~'' Provenance) he, like everybody else not a Servo-automata or an Ogryn in this army, is very vulnerable to Instant Death.		*'''0-1 Force Commander:''' An Independent character with a relatively poor statline compared to every other unit in the Age of Darkness (such is to be a man in a time of giants), worse even than the Solar Auxilia's Legate Commander, but you don't want him for his combat skills, but because you NEED him in order to purchase Provenances of War, so you are going to have him. Furthermore, he can pay 20pts for the ability to <u>choose his Warlord trait</u> instead of rolling for it, so you can reliably pull some pretty powerful combinations like using the -1AP with your Heavy Weapon squads, which is the only one you'll ever pick because your choices are limited to the Militia Cults WL trait list only and the other five are balls. He's pretty customizable, starting with a 5++ that can be upgraded up to a 3++, and can buy power armour as well as a variety of melee weapons and pistols for those times you want him to pull his weight after you used your WT, but don't expect him to be a hero unit. Remember: at T3, (unless you bought the ''Gene-crafted'' Provenance) he, like everybody else not a Servo-automata or an Ogryn in this army, is very vulnerable to Instant Death.

	*'''Discipline Master Cadre:''' 2-5 near-Commissars, they get attached to other units and add +1 Ld ''(to max 9, and it is going to be nine anyway since their own Ld was eight)'' and allow for a LD reroll if they shoot some squad members. Oddly they're not as harsh as their 40k brethren, and while they cause D3 wounds to their unit, these wounds can be saved, although it could be argued that wild BLAMing is just as harsh as precise BLAMing. These guys may not be the compulsory HQ choice nor can any of them be the warlord, but your Force Commander was going to do all of that anyway. ''Back in the day'' your common Commissar had 2W base and a S4 weapon, and could buy a power weapon and refractor field at discount price.		*'''Discipline Master Cadre:''' 2-5 near-Commissars, they get attached to other units and add +1 Ld ''(to max 9, and it is going to be nine anyway since their own Ld was eight)'' and allow for a LD reroll if they shoot some squad members. Oddly they're not as harsh as their 40k brethren, and while they cause D3 wounds to their unit, these wounds can be saved, although it could be argued that wild BLAMing is just as harsh as precise BLAMing. These guys may not be the compulsory HQ choice nor can any of them be the warlord, but your Force Commander was going to do all of that anyway. ''Back in the day'' your common Commissar had 2W base and a S4 weapon, and could buy a power weapon and refractor field at discount price.

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Unit Analysis

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	===HQ===		===HQ===
	*'''0-1 Force Commander:''' An Independent character with a relatively poor statline compared to every other unit in the Age of Darkness (such is to be a man in a time of giants), worse even than the Solar Auxilia's Legate Commander, but you don't want him for his combat skills, but because you NEED him in order to purchase Provenances of War, so you are going to have him. Furthermore, he can pay 20pts for the ability to <u>choose his Warlord trait</u> instead of rolling for it, so you can reliably pull some pretty powerful combinations like using the -1AP with your Heavy Weapon squads, which is the only one you'll ever pick because your choices are limited to the Militia Cults WL trait list only and the other five are balls. He's pretty customizable, starting with a 5++ that can be upgraded up to a 3++, and can buy power armour as well as a variety of melee weapons and pistols for those times you want him to pull his weight after you used your WT, but don't expect him to be a hero unit.		*'''0-1 Force Commander:''' An Independent character with a relatively poor statline compared to every other unit in the Age of Darkness (such is to be a man in a time of giants), worse even than the Solar Auxilia's Legate Commander, but you don't want him for his combat skills, but because you NEED him in order to purchase Provenances of War, so you are going to have him. Furthermore, he can pay 20pts for the ability to <u>choose his Warlord trait</u> instead of rolling for it, so you can reliably pull some pretty powerful combinations like using the -1AP with your Heavy Weapon squads, which is the only one you'll ever pick because your choices are limited to the Militia Cults WL trait list only and the other five are balls. He's pretty customizable, starting with a 5++ that can be upgraded up to a 3++, and can buy power armour as well as a variety of melee weapons and pistols for those times you want him to pull his weight after you used your WT, but don't expect him to be a hero unit. Remember: at T3, (unless you bought the ''Gene-forged'' Provenance) he, like everybody else not a Servo-automata or an Ogryn in this army, is very vulnerable to Instant Death.

	*'''Discipline Master Cadre:''' 2-5 near-Commissars, they get attached to other units and add +1 Ld ''(to max 9, and it is going to be nine anyway since their own Ld was eight)'' and allow for a LD reroll if they shoot some squad members. Oddly they're not as harsh as their 40k brethren, and while they cause D3 wounds to their unit, these wounds can be saved, although it could be argued that wild BLAMing is just as harsh as precise BLAMing. These guys may not be the compulsory HQ choice nor can any of them be the warlord, but your Force Commander was going to do all of that anyway. ''Back in the day'' your common Commissar had 2W base and a S4 weapon, and could buy a power weapon and refractor field at discount price.		*'''Discipline Master Cadre:''' 2-5 near-Commissars, they get attached to other units and add +1 Ld ''(to max 9, and it is going to be nine anyway since their own Ld was eight)'' and allow for a LD reroll if they shoot some squad members. Oddly they're not as harsh as their 40k brethren, and while they cause D3 wounds to their unit, these wounds can be saved, although it could be argued that wild BLAMing is just as harsh as precise BLAMing. These guys may not be the compulsory HQ choice nor can any of them be the warlord, but your Force Commander was going to do all of that anyway. ''Back in the day'' your common Commissar had 2W base and a S4 weapon, and could buy a power weapon and refractor field at discount price.

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	*'''Cons'''		*'''Cons'''
	**Without the right Provenances or correct placement of characters, you have poor Leadership across most of your units. Also, aside from Ogryns, nothing is really going to melee on ~~even~~ odds with even basic ~~Marine Sergeants~~. Get in to close combat ''very, very carefully''.		**Without the right Provenances or correct placement of characters, you have poor Leadership across most of your units. Also, aside from Ogryns, nothing but melee-oriented Provenance choices is really going to allow you to enter melee on "good" fighting odds with even basic Marines in general. Get in to close combat ''very, very carefully''.
	**Even with the huge amount of customisation options you have only a few choices of unit per FOC slot and some of them can be entirely written off or made compulsory depending upon your Provenance selection, leaving you with less room to do your own thing.		**Even with the huge amount of customisation options you have only a few choices of unit per FOC slot and some of them can be entirely written off or made compulsory depending upon your Provenance selection, leaving you with less room to do your own thing.
	**It's more of a side note, but there are a mass of misprints in the army list that means you need to be a bit liberal in your interpretation. An example would be the Rogue Psykers not having a points cost, or Grenadier Squad starting off with Auxilia Rifles but [[Fail\|only being allowed to replace their non-existent Lascarbines]], makes the entire thing feel rushed and not up to the standard of most Forgeworld stuff. Make sure you don't play [[That Guy]] with this list, you've been warned.		**It's more of a side note, but there are a mass of misprints in the army list that means you need to be a bit liberal in your interpretation. An example would be the Rogue Psykers not having a points cost, or Grenadier Squad starting off with Auxilia Rifles but [[Fail\|only being allowed to replace their non-existent Lascarbines]], makes the entire thing feel rushed and not up to the standard of most Forgeworld stuff. Make sure you don't play [[That Guy]] with this list, you've been warned.

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	*'''Cons'''		*'''Cons'''
	**Without the right Provenances or correct placement of characters, you have poor Leadership across most of your units.		**Without the right Provenances or correct placement of characters, you have poor Leadership across most of your units. Also, aside from Ogryns, nothing is really going to melee on even odds with even basic Marine Sergeants. Get in to close combat ''very, very carefully''.
	**Even with the huge amount of customisation options you have only a few choices of unit per FOC slot and some of them can be entirely written off or made compulsory depending upon your Provenance selection, leaving you with less room to do your own thing.		**Even with the huge amount of customisation options you have only a few choices of unit per FOC slot and some of them can be entirely written off or made compulsory depending upon your Provenance selection, leaving you with less room to do your own thing.
	**It's more of a side note, but there are a mass of misprints in the army list that means you need to be a bit liberal in your interpretation. An example would be the Rogue Psykers not having a points cost, or Grenadier Squad starting off with Auxilia Rifles but [[Fail\|only being allowed to replace their non-existent Lascarbines]], makes the entire thing feel rushed and not up to the standard of most Forgeworld stuff. Make sure you don't play [[That Guy]] with this list, you've been warned.		**It's more of a side note, but there are a mass of misprints in the army list that means you need to be a bit liberal in your interpretation. An example would be the Rogue Psykers not having a points cost, or Grenadier Squad starting off with Auxilia Rifles but [[Fail\|only being allowed to replace their non-existent Lascarbines]], makes the entire thing feel rushed and not up to the standard of most Forgeworld stuff. Make sure you don't play [[That Guy]] with this list, you've been warned.
	**Unless you're playing a Traitor horde-oriented Provenance list, everything you can do, Space Marines will likely have a unit, ruleset, or somethingorother that will do just as well, if not better for the cost (simply due to HH being focused mostly about Space Marines at the height of their military power and their extended galaxy-wide family squabble in general). You just gotta accept it.		**Unless you're playing a Traitor horde-oriented Provenance list, everything you can do, Space Marines will likely have a unit, ruleset, or somethingorother that will do what that unit is intended to do just as well, if not better for the cost (simply due to HH being focused mostly about Space Marines at the height of their military power and their extended galaxy-wide family squabble in general). You just gotta accept it.

	==Special Rules==		==Special Rules==