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Troops

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	===Troops===		===Troops===
	*'''Tech-Thrall Adsecularis:''' The 2nd cheapest unit available in 30k after inducted levy squad 100pts for 50, heck even in 40k its only outdone by ~~Ork grots~~ by a decimal point! (~~35pts~~ for 10!) However in many ways it shows. The unit has a measly T3, BS2, WS3, LD7 with a 5+ save, but it also has FNP, S4 and Las-locks. The unit can now be upgraded with an extra 10 tech-thralls making them the best Legio-Cybernetica troop for cheaply getting objectives. They may exchange their Las-locks for shotguns (shorter range but more likely to wound with two shots) or Heavy chainblades and while this makes them good in assault (for their points cost) you lose any ranged ability the squad has, though at BS2 you're not likely to be missing them that much. They can also take frag grenades, and considering how close these guys have to get they're almost mandatory unless you want them to be camping objectives (which for 35 points they make fantastic campers).		*'''Tech-Thrall Adsecularis:''' The 2nd cheapest unit available in 30k after inducted levy squad 100pts for 50, heck even in 40k its only outdone by Grots by a decimal point! (40pts for 10!) However in many ways it shows. The unit has a measly T3, BS2, WS3, LD7 with a 5+ save, but it also has FNP, S4 and Las-locks. The unit can now be upgraded with an extra 10 tech-thralls making them the best Legio-Cybernetica troop for cheaply getting objectives. They may exchange their Las-locks for shotguns (shorter range but more likely to wound with two shots) or Heavy chainblades and while this makes them good in assault (for their points cost) you lose any ranged ability the squad has, though at BS2 you're not likely to be missing them that much. They can also take frag grenades, and considering how close these guys have to get they're almost mandatory unless you want them to be camping objectives (which for 35 points they make fantastic campers).
	**"Rites of Pure thought" is a good option now that the unit can be 20 strong. This makes for a very nice blob that can either hang back in your home area or march forward to screen other units.		**"Rites of Pure thought" is a good option now that the unit can be 20 strong. This makes for a very nice blob that can either hang back in your home area or march forward to screen other units.
	**Something to keep in mind though, These units -do not- count towards your compulsory choices, so you cannot use these to have more points for elites, but the Mechanicum troops being so great this probably wasn't being considered. Now would be a good time to point out, upgrading Thallax with augments causes them to either become fast-attack or heavy support, thus freeing slots for these loonies, so use them to take the objectives the Thallax can no longer take.		**Something to keep in mind though, These units -do not- count towards your compulsory choices, so you cannot use these to have more points for elites, but the Mechanicum troops being so great this probably wasn't being considered. Now would be a good time to point out, upgrading Thallax with augments causes them to either become fast-attack or heavy support, thus freeing slots for these loonies, so use them to take the objectives the Thallax can no longer take.

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	These are the 6th/early 7th edition rules, for tactics regarding the current rules, look here: [[Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Mechanicum:_Taghmata_(30k)\|Mechanicum: Taghmata (30k)]]		These are the 6th/early 7th edition rules, for tactics regarding the current rules, look here: [[Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Mechanicum:_Taghmata_(30k)\|Mechanicum: Taghmata (30k)]]

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The 2nd cheapest unit available in 30k after inducted levy squad 100pts for 50

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	===Troops===		===Troops===
	*'''Tech-Thrall Adsecularis:''' The cheapest unit available in 30k, heck even in 40k its only outdone by Ork grots by a decimal point! (35pts for 10!) However in many ways it shows. The unit has a measly T3, BS2, WS3, LD7 with a 5+ save, but it also has FNP, S4 and Las-locks. The unit can now be upgraded with an extra 10 tech-thralls making them the best Legio-Cybernetica troop for cheaply getting objectives. They may exchange their Las-locks for shotguns (shorter range but more likely to wound with two shots) or Heavy chainblades and while this makes them good in assault (for their points cost) you lose any ranged ability the squad has, though at BS2 you're not likely to be missing them that much. They can also take frag grenades, and considering how close these guys have to get they're almost mandatory unless you want them to be camping objectives (which for 35 points they make fantastic campers).		*'''Tech-Thrall Adsecularis:''' The 2nd cheapest unit available in 30k after inducted levy squad 100pts for 50, heck even in 40k its only outdone by Ork grots by a decimal point! (35pts for 10!) However in many ways it shows. The unit has a measly T3, BS2, WS3, LD7 with a 5+ save, but it also has FNP, S4 and Las-locks. The unit can now be upgraded with an extra 10 tech-thralls making them the best Legio-Cybernetica troop for cheaply getting objectives. They may exchange their Las-locks for shotguns (shorter range but more likely to wound with two shots) or Heavy chainblades and while this makes them good in assault (for their points cost) you lose any ranged ability the squad has, though at BS2 you're not likely to be missing them that much. They can also take frag grenades, and considering how close these guys have to get they're almost mandatory unless you want them to be camping objectives (which for 35 points they make fantastic campers).
	**"Rites of Pure thought" is a good option now that the unit can be 20 strong. This makes for a very nice blob that can either hang back in your home area or march forward to screen other units.		**"Rites of Pure thought" is a good option now that the unit can be 20 strong. This makes for a very nice blob that can either hang back in your home area or march forward to screen other units.
	**Something to keep in mind though, These units -do not- count towards your compulsory choices, so you cannot use these to have more points for elites, but the Mechanicum troops being so great this probably wasn't being considered. Now would be a good time to point out, upgrading Thallax with augments causes them to either become fast-attack or heavy support, thus freeing slots for these loonies, so use them to take the objectives the Thallax can no longer take.		**Something to keep in mind though, These units -do not- count towards your compulsory choices, so you cannot use these to have more points for elites, but the Mechanicum troops being so great this probably wasn't being considered. Now would be a good time to point out, upgrading Thallax with augments causes them to either become fast-attack or heavy support, thus freeing slots for these loonies, so use them to take the objectives the Thallax can no longer take.

143.159.77.109: /* Why Play The Mechanicum? */

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Why Play The Mechanicum?

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	Unusually for Forge World, the Mechanicum is one of the cheapest armies to get in to. It's possible to start an army with a single Magos, and a pair of Castellax or small Thallax Cohorts.(Adesecularis if you really want to break the mould!)The army lists, whilst capable of standing alone, are intended to be used as allies for the Legion army list. As a starting point for a new army, this is ideal, as you need even less to get have something you can field. The Mechanicum units provide you with some unique possibilities for conversions, too. Take a cursory glance around coolminiornot or a painting forum and you'll find some damn fine examples. Of course, if this is not your thing, Forge World's own models are more than capable of satisfying any model fanatic.		Unusually for Forge World, the Mechanicum is one of the cheapest armies to get in to. It's possible to start an army with a single Magos, and a pair of Castellax or small Thallax Cohorts.(Adesecularis if you really want to break the mould!)The army lists, whilst capable of standing alone, are intended to be used as allies for the Legion army list. As a starting point for a new army, this is ideal, as you need even less to get have something you can field. The Mechanicum units provide you with some unique possibilities for conversions, too. Take a cursory glance around coolminiornot or a painting forum and you'll find some damn fine examples. Of course, if this is not your thing, Forge World's own models are more than capable of satisfying any model fanatic.

	Gameplay wise, you are universally hard as nails. There are only 3 models with 1 wound, 1 of which has a 3+ save, another T5, another dirt cheap and full of upgrades, all of which can benefit immensely from FNP. However with a handful of exceptions your models are somewhat pricey, a number are a steal for how effective they are but ~~never the less~~ when all you can do is choose between a variety of pretty expensive choices (with one, very notable exception), which you will almost certainly dump more points on top. Tough as you are, this is primarily a crutch for the vast the majority of your army is short range, though you hardly lack in long range if you wanna dollop in some points here and there.		Gameplay wise, you are universally hard as nails. There are only 3 models with 1 wound, 1 of which has a 3+ save, another T5, another dirt cheap and full of upgrades, all of which can benefit immensely from FNP. However with a handful of exceptions your models are somewhat pricey, a number are a steal for how effective they are but nevertheless when all you can do is choose between a variety of pretty expensive choices (with one, very notable exception), which you will almost certainly dump more points on top. Tough as you are, this is primarily a crutch for the vast the majority of your army is short range, though you hardly lack in long range if you wanna dollop in some points here and there.

	It should be noted, that there are currently three different lists, Reductor, Legio Cybernetica and Taghmata. The main question is why you would pick one over the others? This mostly applies to Taghmata and Legio-Cybernetica - Reductor is really limited right now (despite the books promising to expand upon it), but if the Forgeworld weekender (as of February 2015) has shown some very interesting vehicles that look like they would be in the jurisdiction of a siege-cult, but as of now there really is only so much you can do with Thallax. As for the other two, The Legio-Cybernetica possess Archmagos which allow for more reliable Cybertheurgy and making it hardier, Castellax can be used to fulfill minimum troop requirements, all Automata may use 4" Coherency (Ferrox Thallax pale in comparison to Ursarax for melee). Finally the Taghmata is meant to be the Vanilla, but saying this is "Vanilla" AdMech wouldn't be doing the Taghmata justice. It has everything the first two books have and more. Generally, this is a "go-to" if you're not sure and if you are sure you'll probably pick up Tahgmata as well, but they're limited in other ways, not being able to fill the minimum Troops requirement or a Land Raider not being a Dedicated Transport for example.		It should be noted, that there are currently three different lists, Reductor, Legio Cybernetica and Taghmata. The main question is why you would pick one over the others? This mostly applies to Taghmata and Legio-Cybernetica - Reductor is really limited right now (despite the books promising to expand upon it), but if the Forgeworld weekender (as of February 2015) has shown some very interesting vehicles that look like they would be in the jurisdiction of a siege-cult, but as of now there really is only so much you can do with Thallax. As for the other two, The Legio-Cybernetica possess Archmagos which allow for more reliable Cybertheurgy and making it hardier, Castellax can be used to fulfill minimum troop requirements, all Automata may use 4" Coherency (Ferrox Thallax pale in comparison to Ursarax for melee). Finally the Taghmata is meant to be the Vanilla, but saying this is "Vanilla" AdMech wouldn't be doing the Taghmata justice. It has everything the first two books have and more. Generally, this is a "go-to" if you're not sure and if you are sure you'll probably pick up Tahgmata as well, but they're limited in other ways, not being able to fill the minimum Troops requirement or a Land Raider not being a Dedicated Transport for example.

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	*'''Archaeotech Pistol:''' Ancient, S6 AP3 Master-crafted pistol. Runs on the pricey side, but good for mincing Power Armored troops.		*'''Archaeotech Pistol:''' Ancient, S6 AP3 Master-crafted pistol. Runs on the pricey side, but good for mincing Power Armored troops.
	*'''Conversion Beam Weapons:''' Could be seen as inverse Melta, inflicting greater damage at longer ranges. The only two difference between the heavy and regular version is the former has the '''Firing Calibration''' rule, which means the unit has to remain stationary in order to fire, even if it is Relentless or a Vehicle. How often are you going to get to fire it at 42" range on a standard 48"x72" table? On a corner it has [[FATAL\|60% of the table in a S10 AP2 Large Blast killzone]] (not accounting for Line of sight). Get to both corners and then, yeah, pretty much [[Just_as_planned\|you can always fire some S10 on the enemy's deployment zone]].		*'''Conversion Beam Weapons:''' Could be seen as inverse Melta, inflicting greater damage at longer ranges. The only two difference between the heavy and regular version is the former has the '''Firing Calibration''' rule, which means the unit has to remain stationary in order to fire, even if it is Relentless or a Vehicle. How often are you going to get to fire it at 42" range on a standard 48"x72" table? On a corner it has [[FATAL\|60% of the table in a S10 AP2 Large Blast killzone]] (not accounting for Line of sight). Get to both corners and then, yeah, pretty much [[Just_as_planned\|you can always fire some S10 on the enemy's deployment zone]].
	*'''Graviton Weapons:''' Not to be confused with [[Grav-~~weaponry~~\|Grav-weapons]]; their wounding mechanism has nothing to do with the enemy's armour save. These Heavy weapons (not Salvo) possess no Strength, but have both Concussion and Haywire effects. They also have a curious way of causing wounds by forcing the enemy to roll D6; if the result is above their Strength they take a wound - a result of 6 always causes a wound. [[Fail\|So they are effectively Strength 3]], wounding GEQs on 4+, and MEQs on 5+, making it largely ineffective against infantry blobs. Its redeeming trait is that it also creates Difficult and Dangerous terrain in its blast radius, so it can at least severely impede their movement.		*'''Graviton Weapons:''' Not to be confused with [[Grav-Weaponry\|Grav-weapons]]; their wounding mechanism has nothing to do with the enemy's armour save. These Heavy weapons (not Salvo) possess no Strength, but have both Concussion and Haywire effects. They also have a curious way of causing wounds by forcing the enemy to roll D6; if the result is above their Strength they take a wound - a result of 6 always causes a wound. [[Fail\|So they are effectively Strength 3]], wounding GEQs on 4+, and MEQs on 5+, making it largely ineffective against infantry blobs. Its redeeming trait is that it also creates Difficult and Dangerous terrain in its blast radius, so it can at least severely impede their movement.
	*'''Graviton Imploders:''' The 40k grav-guns you're used to. Trouble with Terminators? Belial-led Deathwing got you down? Accept no substitute! These are Salvo 2/4 AP2 grav guns, so the roll to wound mirrors the armor save of the target, with 18" range. So now you can have it both ways. It has problems when faced with large blobs with poor/no armour, but those things are generally easily killed by everything else, so it balances out.		*'''Graviton Imploders:''' The 40k grav-guns you're used to. Trouble with Terminators? Belial-led Deathwing got you down? Accept no substitute! These are Salvo 2/4 AP2 grav guns, so the roll to wound mirrors the armor save of the target, with 18" range. So now you can have it both ways. It has problems when faced with large blobs with poor/no armour, but those things are generally easily killed by everything else, so it balances out.
	*'''Las-Lock:''' The Minie-Ball muzzle-loaded Rifle to the Lasguns AK47. Shorter 18" range and fewer shots at Assault 1, but packs a nasty S4 AP6 punch. Of course, as of current, AP6 is completely useless, but S4 however is not. Taghmata Tech-thralls may take Induction Chargers, giving them an additional shot, which could really give the edge against likely smaller units of Marines or Imperial Army infantry.		*'''Las-Lock:''' The Minie-Ball muzzle-loaded Rifle to the Lasguns AK47. Shorter 18" range and fewer shots at Assault 1, but packs a nasty S4 AP6 punch. Of course, as of current, AP6 is completely useless, but S4 however is not. Taghmata Tech-thralls may take Induction Chargers, giving them an additional shot, which could really give the edge against likely smaller units of Marines or Imperial Army infantry.

213.205.192.137: /* Fellow Warriors */

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Fellow Warriors

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	***[[Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Solar_Auxilia_(30k)\|Solar Auxilia]] If you're taking these, you'll probably drop Tech-Thralls immediately; 100pts (Lasrifle section) for 20 man squad, Heavy2 36", overwatching on BS2, likely to get WS4 and 4+ save is pretty good in anyone's books. Though it has LD8/7, being able to always regroup is pleasant. Also, Lasrifle Sections come stock with a nuncio-vox, which can help your Thanatars and deep-striking Thallax/Ursarax a lot, freeing up your cyber-occulari to focus on their other forms of mischief, or saving you the trouble of getting the djinn skein altogether, if that's what you were planning to use those for. Alternatively Veletaris offers you some pretty nice potent short range fire power, but any variation of Mechanicum is hardly lacking in that. What you want from an allied choice is most likely cheaper barrage/template options than the Thanatar. The Rapier battery can see this pretty well, with the Quad mortar option filling this best: 60pts for small template spamming with pinning, uniquely possessing a shorter ranged direct fire option which rerolls armour penetration. This takes an elite slot, but you would not be missing anything else in this, probably. The Artillery battery, though durable, is pricey compared to Vanilla guardsmen options (presuming Imperial-Army vanilla will use Chimera based Artillery).		***[[Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Solar_Auxilia_(30k)\|Solar Auxilia]] If you're taking these, you'll probably drop Tech-Thralls immediately; 100pts (Lasrifle section) for 20 man squad, Heavy2 36", overwatching on BS2, likely to get WS4 and 4+ save is pretty good in anyone's books. Though it has LD8/7, being able to always regroup is pleasant. Also, Lasrifle Sections come stock with a nuncio-vox, which can help your Thanatars and deep-striking Thallax/Ursarax a lot, freeing up your cyber-occulari to focus on their other forms of mischief, or saving you the trouble of getting the djinn skein altogether, if that's what you were planning to use those for. Alternatively Veletaris offers you some pretty nice potent short range fire power, but any variation of Mechanicum is hardly lacking in that. What you want from an allied choice is most likely cheaper barrage/template options than the Thanatar. The Rapier battery can see this pretty well, with the Quad mortar option filling this best: 60pts for small template spamming with pinning, uniquely possessing a shorter ranged direct fire option which rerolls armour penetration. This takes an elite slot, but you would not be missing anything else in this, probably. The Artillery battery, though durable, is pricey compared to Vanilla guardsmen options (presuming Imperial-Army vanilla will use Chimera based Artillery).
	***Alternatively you may consider the Malcador. Yes a Superheavy as a heavy support option, and a fast super-heavy at that! It costs 5 points less than the Thanatar, you get 13/13/12 HP6 and 3 autocannons (Multi-laster and Hv.Flamer is free) alongside a Leman-Russ cannon, so you could leave it at that. If you feel like dropping 30 points you could get a Demolisher cannon and a Battlecannon firing at the same time (though, you would have to convert either Lascannons to a battlecannon or a hull gun to a demolisher if you're not performing a complete scratch build). If you wanted to fork out 10 more points you could the drop the fast property and ram your self up to front 14, you could then ram Flare shield and Armoured Ceramite, totaling up to 320 pts for vehicle that will take ALOT of shit forward facing and at 6 Hull points you'll be taking that for a while.		***Alternatively you may consider the Malcador. Yes a Superheavy as a heavy support option, and a fast super-heavy at that! It costs 5 points less than the Thanatar, you get 13/13/12 HP6 and 3 autocannons (Multi-laster and Hv.Flamer is free) alongside a Leman-Russ cannon, so you could leave it at that. If you feel like dropping 30 points you could get a Demolisher cannon and a Battlecannon firing at the same time (though, you would have to convert either Lascannons to a battlecannon or a hull gun to a demolisher if you're not performing a complete scratch build). If you wanted to fork out 10 more points you could the drop the fast property and ram your self up to front 14, you could then ram Flare shield and Armoured Ceramite, totaling up to 320 pts for vehicle that will take ALOT of shit forward facing and at 6 Hull points you'll be taking that for a while.
	***[[Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Imperial Militia and Cults (30k)\|Imperial Milita and Cults]] have a dizzying array of options for you to take. You can make ~~Pesudo~~-Skitarii with a combination of ''Survivors of the Dark Age'' and ''Cyber Augmented'', or even get some cultist support if you're playing Dark Mechanicum. Generally they seem to be similar to the Imperial Guard from 40K, in that they have a large number of expendable soldiers backed by tanks, so take them if you want more bodies on the ground. Seriously consider which Provenances of War you give them, generally you will be wanting them to stay in place and camp objectives, so Abhuman Helots with Discipline Collars will work wonders, and if they have Cyber-Augmetics then they count as Sworn Brothers!		***[[Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Imperial Militia and Cults (30k)\|Imperial Milita and Cults]] have a dizzying array of options for you to take. You can make Pseudo-Skitarii with a combination of ''Survivors of the Dark Age'' and ''Cyber Augmented'', or even get some cultist support if you're playing Dark Mechanicum. Generally they seem to be similar to the Imperial Guard from 40K, in that they have a large number of expendable soldiers backed by tanks, so take them if you want more bodies on the ground. Seriously consider which Provenances of War you give them, generally you will be wanting them to stay in place and camp objectives, so Abhuman Helots with Discipline Collars will work wonders, and if they have Cyber-Augmetics then they count as Sworn Brothers!
	*'''[[Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Questoris Knight Crusade (30k)\|Knights]]'''		*'''[[Warhammer 40,000/Tactics/Questoris Knight Crusade (30k)\|Knights]]'''