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1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Special Units */

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Special Units

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	*'''Cannons:''' Even with the 20pt cut to 100 points cannons are a bad choice now. Of course, the price goes up as you add runes and engineers, which you should do to make it very reliable. But with the buffs to Bolt Throwers, Grudge Throwers and Organ guns, should leave this on the shelf in 9th edition		*'''Cannons:''' Even with the 20pt cut to 100 points cannons are a bad choice now. Of course, the price goes up as you add runes and engineers, which you should do to make it very reliable. But with the buffs to Bolt Throwers, Grudge Throwers and Organ guns, should leave this on the shelf in 9th edition

	*'''Grudge Thrower:''' 80pts. It's a standard stone thrower for 80 points. It can be buffed up with runes and engineers. The right combination can make this a very effective war machine. These can seriously troll T3 armies. Take a rune of accuracy and penetrating to get ~~str~~ 4, re-rolling to scatter. Definitely got the most love this edition, with stone throwers going up in Strength on the template and the direct hit.		*'''Grudge Thrower:''' 80pts. It's a standard stone thrower for 80 points. It can be buffed up with runes and engineers. The right combination can make this a very effective war machine. These can seriously troll T3 armies. Take a rune of accuracy and penetrating to get <s>Str 4</s> S5 now (for some reason Mathias thought stone throwers needed a buff and are base S4), re-rolling to scatter. Definitely got the most love this edition, with stone throwers going up in Strength on the template and the direct hit.

	*'''Bolt Throwers:''' Not terrible, with a pointcut from 8th to 45pts, can get 2 for one choice, and now Lacks long-range penalties. this is more reliable and accurate than a cannon.		*'''Bolt Throwers:''' Not terrible, with a pointcut from 8th to 45pts, can get 2 for one choice, and now Lacks long-range penalties. this is more reliable and accurate than a cannon.

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1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Pros */

2023-06-15T16:52:20Z

Pros

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	* More runes		* More runes
	* Runelord channels like a level 4 wizard.		* Runelord channels like a level 4 wizard.
	* <s>Gromril Armour makes your characters have the best Armour saves in the game without eating into magic item allowance or buying a mount.<s> Your armour save is now less than an empire knight. Thanks Mathias.		* <s>Gromril Armour makes your characters have the best Armour saves in the game without eating into magic item allowance or buying a mount.</s> Your armour save is now less than an empire knight. Thanks Mathias.
	* That is pretty much it, Mathias Eliasson is going in the book.		* That is pretty much it, Mathias Eliasson is going in the book.

1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Pros */

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Pros

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	* More runes		* More runes
	* Runelord channels like a level 4 wizard.		* Runelord channels like a level 4 wizard.
	* Gromril Armour makes your characters have the best Armour saves in the game without eating into magic item allowance or buying a mount.		* <s>Gromril Armour makes your characters have the best Armour saves in the game without eating into magic item allowance or buying a mount.<s> Your armour save is now less than an empire knight. Thanks Mathias.
	* That is pretty much it, Mathias Eliasson is going in the book.		* That is pretty much it, Mathias Eliasson is going in the book.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Rare Units */

2023-02-23T03:32:43Z

Rare Units

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	*'''Doomseeker:''' With Giant Slayers becoming Slayer champions, these become your bigger slayers. Each has the Wards of Griminr (6++ Ward and 6++ magic resistance against missiles), Skirmisher, Unbreakable, and now instantly deal d6 hits against enemies in b2b while having -1 to hit them. While random hits are inconvenient, <s>they do make for a better wall than the Troll Slayers</s>.		*'''Doomseeker:''' With Giant Slayers becoming Slayer champions, these become your bigger slayers. Each has the Wards of Griminr (6++ Ward and 6++ magic resistance against missiles), Skirmisher, Unbreakable, and now instantly deal d6 hits against enemies in b2b while having -1 to hit them. While random hits are inconvenient, <s>they do make for a better wall than the Troll Slayers</s>.

	*'''Organ Guns:''' 120pts. Now rolls artillery dice +2d6. ~~Which,~~ is a blessing and a curse, ~~first~~ it makes misfires much more ~~likley~~ (16.67% vs 2.78%), but you're averaging more shots. It can also now be given up to 50 points of Runes and put an engineer on it, allowing it to hit a lot more than it previously could. With engineer nerfs, removal of Rune of Accuracy and increase chance of misfire, one may consider fielding them naked rather than putting a ton of points into each.		*'''Organ Guns:''' 120pts. Now rolls artillery dice +2d6. This is a blessing and a curse; first, it makes misfires much more likely (16.67% vs. 2.78%), but you're averaging more shots. It can also now be given up to 50 points of Runes and put an engineer on it, allowing it to hit a lot more than it previously could. With engineer nerfs, the removal of Rune of Accuracy, and an increase the chance of misfire, one may consider fielding them naked rather than putting a ton of points into each.

	*'''Flame Cannon:''' 140pts. Against Gobbos, Monstrous Infantry, and Skaven, it can be used very effectively to cause panic tests on any large unit; being able to throw down a S5 flamer template is amazing in fantasy, especially when it can cause d3 wounds. Don't be worried about taking one as its range is a lot longer than it looks, be sure to give it runes, though. Nothing's worse than having your cannon blow up when you need those Night Goblins to panic.		*'''Flame Cannon:''' 140pts. Against Gobbos, Monstrous Infantry, and Skaven, it can be used very effectively to cause panic tests on any large unit; being able to throw down a S5 flamer template is amazing in fantasy, especially when it can cause d3 wounds. Don't be worried about taking one, as its range is a lot longer than it looks, be sure to give it runes, though. Nothing's worse than having your cannon blow up when you need those Night Goblins to panic.

	*'''Gyrocopter:''' 85pts. Gyrocopters are the dwarf equivalent of great eagles and moved to Rare. Changed only slightly from the previous edition, they now have a gun choice, either keeping the old one (an str 3 armour piercing flamer) or a gun that fires d3 str 5, flaming, armour piercing shots. They also get their bombs, which can be handy when harassing opponents trying to approach your gunline or positioning behind units about to flee, so they take Dangerous Terrain tests. Though they lack vanguard, be careful of all the dragons.		*'''Gyrocopter:''' 85pts. Gyrocopters are the dwarf equivalent of great eagles and moved to Rare. Changed only slightly from the previous edition, they now have a gun choice, either keeping the old one (an str 3 armour piercing flamer) or a gun that fires d3 str 5, flaming, armour piercing shots. They also get their bombs, which can be handy when harassing opponents trying to approach your gunline or positioning behind units about to flee, so they take Dangerous Terrain tests. Though they lack vanguard, be careful of all the dragons.

	*'''Gyrobomber:''' 140pts. An alternative to the Gyrocopter that can wipe out entire hordes on its own, this thing will be a firing magnet. As such, it can be used to distract the enemy away from a gunline or stop the enemy from shooting your own guys if running a close combat list.		*'''Gyrobomber:''' 140pts. An alternative to the Gyrocopter that can wipe out entire hordes on its own, this thing will be a firing magnet. As such, it can be used to distract the enemy away from a gunline or stop the enemy from shooting your own guys if running a close combat list.

	*'''Rune Guardians:''' Iron. Dwarf. Golems. Each is monstrous infantry that's a little better than the living ones ~~while having 3~~+ armour, S5, T5, M6, and Unbreakable. However, their massive weight makes them unable to march and auto-fail initiative tests. '''BEWARE THE SPELLS TARGETING THIS!'''		*'''Rune Guardians:''' Iron. Dwarf. Golems. Each is monstrous infantry that's a little better than the living ones, with 4+ armour, S5, T5, M6, and Unbreakable. However, their massive weight makes them unable to march and auto-fail initiative tests. '''BEWARE THE SPELLS TARGETING THIS!'''. They also can be engraved up to two of the following runes (Cleaving, Fury, Striking, Stone, Warding), upping thier defense or offense.

	*'''Grudgebreaker:''' ~~225pts~~. A super-heavy tank with axes for hands. DORF MECHA! They're also subject to steam engines and all that entails, but they have the perk of actually fighting in combat with randomized attacks (rolled like movement) and S6 and protected with a 1+ save.		*'''Grudgebreaker:''' 200pts. A super-heavy tank with axes for hands. DORF MECHA! They're also subject to steam engines and all that entails, but they have the perk of actually fighting in combat with randomized attacks (rolled like movement) and S6 and are protected with a 1+ save.

	*'''[[Thunderbarge]]:''' 275pts. The Dwarf Zeppelin. They're jumbo bombers that can now be hit by hovering units but don't block the way for other models. It's also equipped with a cannon that lacks grapeshot and whose misfires can break it for the game.		*'''[[Thunderbarge]]:''' 275pts. The Dwarf Zeppelin. They're jumbo bombers that can now be hit by hovering units but don't block the way for other models. It's also equipped with a cannon that lacks grapeshot and whose misfires can break it for the game.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Named Characters */

2023-02-23T03:25:58Z

Named Characters

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	*'''[[Kazador Thunderhorn]]:''' King of Karak Azul. When you put his gear together, he's a pretty hardy mofo, with 5+ armour compensated by T6, 4 S5 HKB attacks at WS8, and I4. He also has a single-use horn that forces enemies within 24" to test Ld to charge.		*'''[[Kazador Thunderhorn]]:''' King of Karak Azul. When you put his gear together, he's a pretty hardy mofo, with 5+ armour compensated by T6, 4 S5 HKB attacks at WS8, and I4. He also has a single-use horn that forces enemies within 24" to test Ld to charge.

	*'''[[Ungrim Ironfist]]''' He's a pretty nice hero or monster killer due to Slayer, Strength 6, Killing Blow, and D3 wounds on monsters, he's also pretty tough when facing Dragons due to his 2++ Ward vs. Fire. That, along with a slew of other foes because Flaming is omnipresent in tournaments to get rid of regenning units. Other than that, he'll fuck up a few Lords, and he'll weather a few hits, overall cool for Slayer-themed lists, but otherwise, he'll be slightly fucked because he can only join Slayer and Doomseeker units (which are now Core, thanks to him). Something that is often overlooked is his ability to buff your slayers, taking Ungrim means 1 slayer unit in the army can buy +1S and Wards of Grimnir. Slightly overpriced at ~~350~~ points, but WS9 and T6 is pretty nice, meaning that even Tyrion hits you on a 4+.		*'''[[Ungrim Ironfist]]''' 325 points. He's a pretty nice hero or monster killer due to Slayer, Strength 6, Killing Blow, and D3 wounds on monsters; he's also pretty tough when facing Dragons due to his 2++ Ward vs. Fire. That, along with a slew of other foes because Flaming is omnipresent in tournaments to get rid of regenning units. Other than that, he'll fuck up a few Lords, and he'll weather a few hits, overall cool for Slayer-themed lists, but otherwise, he'll be slightly fucked because he can only join Slayer and Doomseeker units (which are now Core, thanks to him). Something that is often overlooked is his ability to buff your slayers; taking Ungrim means 1 slayer unit in the army can buy +1S and Wards of Grimnir. Slightly overpriced at 325 points, but WS9 and T6 is pretty nice, meaning that even Tyrion hits you on a 4+.

	*'''[[Alrik Ranulfsson]]:''' King of Karak Hirn. He is another mandatory general who places severe restrictions on the war machines, guns, tanks, and other fun things the Dwarfs get. His axe is an excellent weapon with the Grudge and Breaking runes, his heavy armour gives a 2++ Ward Save against all shooting and a 5++ otherwise. On top of this, he carries his book of (avenged) grudges to confer him Hold Your Ground and can ferret out hidden assassins. Take him only for a mob-heavy army.		*'''[[Alrik Ranulfsson]]:''' King of Karak Hirn. He is another mandatory general who places severe restrictions on the war machines, guns, tanks, and other fun things the Dwarfs get. His axe is an excellent weapon with the Grudge and Breaking runes, his heavy armour gives a 2++ Ward Save against all shooting and a 5++ otherwise. On top of this, he carries his book of (avenged) grudges to confer him Hold Your Ground and can ferret out hidden assassins. Take him only for a mob-heavy army.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Generic Characters */ Daemon Slayer

2023-02-23T03:22:28Z

Generic Characters: Daemon Slayer

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	*'''Runelords/Runesmiths:''' Runesmiths are your closest equivalents to Warrior Priests filling the role of Wizards. ''Always'' take 1 with a dispel rune for 85pts or buy a scroll. Though they have lost their free dispel dice, they now channel dispel like wizards, grant Armour Piercing to whatever infantry unit they're a part of, and have Magic Resistance. Sadly Runelords have taken a serious hit with the new Army Book as anything that they can do can usually be done by a much cheaper Runesmith besides the Anvil of Doom. Unless you want the anvil, do not bother taking the lords.		*'''Runelords/Runesmiths:''' Runesmiths are your closest equivalents to Warrior Priests filling the role of Wizards. ''Always'' take 1 with a dispel rune for 85pts or buy a scroll. Though they have lost their free dispel dice, they now channel dispel like wizards, grant Armour Piercing to whatever infantry unit they're a part of, and have Magic Resistance. Sadly Runelords have taken a serious hit with the new Army Book as anything that they can do can usually be done by a much cheaper Runesmith besides the Anvil of Doom. Unless you want the anvil, do not bother taking the lords.

	*'''Daemon Slayer:''' Same as before but forces successful ward saves to be re-rolled and does D3 wounds to Monsters. It's nice now that when kitted out properly, he can be guaranteed to kill a Daemon prince, with some weapon runes he comes out at a good price and is a worthy consideration. Be careful as he can get focused and destroyed quite easily, and at much greater impact being a lord choice, unlike dragon slayers, with the only consolation being that they aren't ever your general.		*'''Daemon Slayer:''' Same as before but forces successful ward saves to be re-rolled and does D3 wounds to Monsters. It's nice now that when kitted out properly, he can be guaranteed to kill a Daemon prince; with some weapon runes, he comes out at a good price and is a worthy consideration. Each Daemon Slayer you include (but probably not more than one unless in 3k gams) can add one Troll Slayers unit as core (where you want your suicide units to pay by). Be careful, as he can get focused and destroyed quite easily, and at much greater impact being a lord choice, unlike dragon slayers, with the only consolation being that they aren't ever your general.

	*'''Thanes:''' Very solid Hero. He comes in two builds, the 'Thane o' pain' and the 'Tank thane'. Basically, the names say it all. Tank thane concentrates on staying alive, and therefore uses armour runes. The Thane o' pain operates on the philosophy that if the enemy is dead, then it won't attack you back. Use a rune of Snorri Spangelheim, a rune of cleaving, and either a grudge rune if you have it in for one particular character, a rune of FUREH, or, when fighting tough enemies (orcs and ogres, etc.), a rune of might for strength 8.		*'''Thanes:''' Very solid Hero. He comes in two builds, the 'Thane o' pain' and the 'Tank thane.' Basically, the names say it all. Tank thane concentrates on staying alive, and therefore uses armour runes. The Thane o' pain operates on the philosophy that if the enemy is dead, then it won't attack you back. Use a rune of Snorri Spangelheim, a rune of cleaving, and either a grudge rune if you have it in for one particular character, a rune of FUREH, or, when fighting tough enemies (orcs and ogres, etc.), a rune of might for strength 8.

	*'''Master Engineers:''' Buffs your artillery, and can make one entrenched (counts as being behind heavy cover and enemies take -1 to hit it). Great if you are playing a shooty list. Also gives your cannons and grudge throwers free artillery die-rolls, which can save your ass many times over. If you take one, they work best with an organ gun, which takes the most advantage of their BS 4 and an artillery re-roll.		*'''Master Engineers:''' Buffs your artillery, and can make one entrenched (counts as being behind heavy cover and enemies take -1 to hit it). Great if you are playing a shooty list. Also gives your cannons and grudge throwers free artillery die-rolls, which can save your ass many times over. If you take one, they work best with an organ gun, which takes the most advantage of their BS 4 and an artillery re-roll.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Special Units */

2023-02-23T03:16:36Z

Special Units

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	*'''Miners:''' Your ambushers got the actual ambusher rule with their cover upon entry, for a true miners' entry rule stolen from the Tomb Kings, being a telegraphed ambush before turn 1. They are perfect against static armies that take war machines and the like with their Great weapons. Take in small groups of 10 or so and go war machine hunting or rear charging with them. As far as upgrades go, the drill on the champion isn't bad, providing 2 S6 attacks that don't degrade after the first battle round while reducing the chance of not showing up. That Quick to Fire on Blasting Charges now Grants an additional burst of damage when the unit charges for 20+ more points. By the way, Your miners should do the charging. They shouldn't be charged.		*'''Miners:''' Your ambushers got the actual ambusher rule with their cover upon entry, for a true miners' entry rule stolen from the Tomb Kings, being a telegraphed ambush before turn 1. They are perfect against static armies that take war machines and the like with their Great weapons. Take in small groups of 10 or so and go war machine hunting or rear charging with them. As far as upgrades go, the drill on the champion isn't bad, providing 2 S6 attacks that don't degrade after the first battle round while reducing the chance of not showing up. That Quick to Fire on Blasting Charges now Grants an additional burst of damage when the unit charges for 20+ more points. By the way, Your miners should do the charging. They shouldn't be charged.

	*'''Slayers:''' This unit has changed a good deal, and it's debatable if it's for better or worse. Slayers still wound on 4+ instead of raising their strength unless they needed a lower result. They are armed with a Greatweapon for monsters and ~~Can~~-opening ~~and~~ AHWs for more attacks. If they ~~Die~~ that will make a single attack back. Slayers operate as mass suicidal melee damage dealers, at least compared to the more expensive guys in armour. To help in the job, Vanguard gets you closer to people's faces, and upgrading to Skirmishers or a bunch being around a Master Rune of Grimnir grants mobility/protection from missiles that would deny them the honorable death.		*'''Troll Slayers/Giant Slayers:''' This unit has changed a good deal, and it's debatable if it's for better or worse. Slayers still wound on 4+ instead of raising their strength unless they needed a lower result. They are armed with a Greatweapon for monsters and can-opening plus AHWs for more attacks. If they die, that will make a single attack back. Slayers operate as mass suicidal melee damage dealers, at least compared to the more expensive guys in armour. To help in the job, Vanguard gets you closer to people's faces, and upgrading to Skirmishers or a bunch being around a Master Rune of Grimnir grants mobility/protection from missiles that would deny them the honorable death.
			**'''Giant Slayer:''' 5-point upgrade for +1 WS, S, and Att. For Targets that need a more skilled suicide unit (like chaos warriors).

	*'''Rangers:''' Sadly, the days of scouting hordes are over. Having been moved to the special section, rangers now have the same role as chameleon skinks, shades, and shadow warriors. If you have any Quarrelers with Great Weapons to spare that aren't fulfilling your core requirement, you should swap them for Rangers because they have throwing axes and scout for two points cheaper while allowing them to be aggressive. Facing is also important in 9th when shooting at infantry with shields, so you also find uses for giving them Crossbows.		*'''Rangers:''' Sadly, the days of scouting hordes are over. Having been moved to the special section, rangers now have the same role as chameleon skinks, shades, and shadow warriors. If you have any Quarrelers with Great Weapons to spare that aren't fulfilling your core requirement, you should swap them for Rangers because they have throwing axes and scout for two points cheaper while allowing them to be aggressive. Facing is also important in 9th when shooting at infantry with shields, so you also find uses for giving them Crossbows.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Special Units */ Miners

2023-02-23T03:09:33Z

Special Units: Miners

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	*'''Hammerers:''' Same obligatory unit that you love, except they cost 2 more points. Still stubborn with a Chaos Warrior stat line but with less initiative. Toss your general in the unit for immunity to Fear/Terror.		*'''Hammerers:''' Same obligatory unit that you love, except they cost 2 more points. Still stubborn with a Chaos Warrior stat line but with less initiative. Toss your general in the unit for immunity to Fear/Terror.

	*'''Ironbreakers:''' Elite Tarpit. For 16 points each, you get WS5, T4, Ld10, a 5++ ~~parry 1~~+ armour save. These guys got the most love in the update, and NO one wants to get into a fight with a horde of these with a Runesmith. Keep them near your BSB. Being so unchangeable, it's even more of a threat that the champion can get close and chuck a big bomb at an enemy after marching 6".		*'''Ironbreakers:''' Elite Tarpit. For 14 points each, you get WS5, T4, Ld10, a rerolled parry (used to be a 5++) 2+ armour save. These guys got the most love in the update, and NO one wants to get into a fight with a horde of these with a Runesmith. Keep them near your BSB. Being so unchangeable, it's even more of a threat that the champion can get close and chuck a big bomb at an enemy after marching 6".

	*'''Miners:''' Your ambushers got the actual ambusher rule ~~but now lost~~ their cover upon entry. They are perfect against static armies that take war machines and the like with their Great weapons. Take in small groups of 10 or so and go war machine hunting or rear charging with them. As far as upgrades go, the drill on the champion isn't bad, providing 2 S6 attacks that don't degrade after the first battle round while reducing the chance of not showing up. That Quick to Fire on Blasting Charges now Grants an additional burst of damage when the unit charges for 20+ more points. By the way, Your miners should do the charging. They shouldn't be charged.		*'''Miners:''' Your ambushers got the actual ambusher rule with their cover upon entry, for a true miners' entry rule stolen from the Tomb Kings, being a telegraphed ambush before turn 1. They are perfect against static armies that take war machines and the like with their Great weapons. Take in small groups of 10 or so and go war machine hunting or rear charging with them. As far as upgrades go, the drill on the champion isn't bad, providing 2 S6 attacks that don't degrade after the first battle round while reducing the chance of not showing up. That Quick to Fire on Blasting Charges now Grants an additional burst of damage when the unit charges for 20+ more points. By the way, Your miners should do the charging. They shouldn't be charged.

	*'''Slayers:''' This unit has changed a good deal, and it's debatable if it's for better or worse. Slayers still wound on 4+ instead of raising their strength unless they needed a lower result. They are armed with a Greatweapon for monsters and Can-opening and AHWs for more attacks. If they Die that will make a single attack back. Slayers operate as mass suicidal melee damage dealers, at least compared to the more expensive guys in armour. To help in the job, Vanguard gets you closer to people's faces, and upgrading to Skirmishers or a bunch being around a Master Rune of Grimnir grants mobility/protection from missiles that would deny them the honorable death.		*'''Slayers:''' This unit has changed a good deal, and it's debatable if it's for better or worse. Slayers still wound on 4+ instead of raising their strength unless they needed a lower result. They are armed with a Greatweapon for monsters and Can-opening and AHWs for more attacks. If they Die that will make a single attack back. Slayers operate as mass suicidal melee damage dealers, at least compared to the more expensive guys in armour. To help in the job, Vanguard gets you closer to people's faces, and upgrading to Skirmishers or a bunch being around a Master Rune of Grimnir grants mobility/protection from missiles that would deny them the honorable death.