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1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Core Units */

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Core Units

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	*'''[[State Troops]]:''' Compared to 8th, the melee options are more balanced, and all are more or less equally viable. You can get something other than a massive halberdier horde with a life wizard in without feeling like you're gimping yourself. Additionally, armour is not mandatory. So if running against an S4 army, there are a lot of points to be saved. They come in six flavors:		*'''[[State Troops]]:''' Compared to 8th, the melee options are more balanced, and all are more or less equally viable. You can get something other than a massive halberdier horde with a life wizard in without feeling like you're gimping yourself. Additionally, armour is not mandatory. So if running against an S4 army, there are a lot of points to be saved. They come in six flavors:
	**'''Halberdiers:''' Still the go-to state troop choice for offense, but swordsmen can potentially be viable. Can go ~~nacked~~ for 5ppm, Can be upgraded with shields for only 1/2 a point, light armor for 1 or medium for 2point.		**'''Halberdiers:''' Still the go-to state troop choice for offense, but swordsmen can potentially be viable. Can go naked for 5ppm, Can be upgraded with shields for only 1/2 a point, light armor for 1 or medium for 2point.
	**'''Spearmen:''' Identical to vanilla stat & equipment-wise. However, with the universal buff to spears, they are better than Halberdiers when charged in the front by pretty much anything except infantry, all for a whole point cheaper. If you want the massive blocks of yore, Spearmen and mabey with pikes are for you.		**'''Spearmen:''' Identical to vanilla stat & equipment-wise. However, with the universal buff to spears, they are better than Halberdiers when charged in the front by pretty much anything except infantry, all for a whole point cheaper. If you want the massive blocks of yore, Spearmen and mabey with pikes are for you.
	**'''Swordsmen:''' They now the same price as Halberdiers while having parry, with weapon skill and initiative of 4, there is finally an argument to take 'em over halberdiers, for a more defensive line and have the edge over other human stated enemies.		**'''Swordsmen:''' They now the same price as Halberdiers while having parry, with weapon skill and initiative of 4, there is finally an argument to take 'em over halberdiers, for a more defensive line and have the edge over other human stated enemies.

1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Pros */

2023-06-15T17:09:36Z

Pros

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	===Pros===		===Pros===
	* Still the creator's favorite, as you’re the only army with expansion books. Steam Tanks and Knightly Orders.		* Still the creator's favorite, as you’re the only army with expansion books. Steam Tanks and Knightly Orders.
	** Still the creator's favorite. Somehow became the only army with full plate armour. [[Gromril\|Despite the fact that Dwarfs make it for them]].		** Still Still, the creator's favorite. Somehow became the only army with full plate armour. [[Gromril\|Despite the fact that Dwarfs make it for them]].
	* 'State Troops' is so much better and less complicated than 'Detachments'. This affects almost all of your infantry.		* 'State Troops' is so much better and less complicated than 'Detachments'. This affects almost all of your infantry.
	** Game shifting too many smaller bricks makes the State Troops counter strike trigger more oftne.		** Game shifting too many smaller bricks makes the State Troops counter strike trigger more oftne.

1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Pros */

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Pros

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	===Pros===		===Pros===
	* Still the creator's favorite, as you’re the only army with expansion books. Steam Tanks and Knightly Orders.		* Still the creator's favorite, as you’re the only army with expansion books. Steam Tanks and Knightly Orders.
	** Still the creator's favorite. Somehow became the only army with full plate armour. [[Gromril\|Despite the fact that Dwarfs make it for them.]]		** Still the creator's favorite. Somehow became the only army with full plate armour. [[Gromril\|Despite the fact that Dwarfs make it for them]].
	* 'State Troops' is so much better and less complicated than 'Detachments'. This affects almost all of your infantry.		* 'State Troops' is so much better and less complicated than 'Detachments'. This affects almost all of your infantry.
	** Game shifting too many smaller bricks makes the State Troops counter strike trigger more oftne.		** Game shifting too many smaller bricks makes the State Troops counter strike trigger more oftne.

1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Pros */

2023-06-15T17:08:28Z

Pros

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	===Pros===		===Pros===
	* Still the creator's favorite, as you’re the only army with expansion books. Steam Tanks and Knightly Orders.		* Still the creator's favorite, as you’re the only army with expansion books. Steam Tanks and Knightly Orders.
			** Still the creator's favorite. Somehow became the only army with full plate armour. [[Gromril\|Despite the fact that Dwarfs make it for them.]]
	* 'State Troops' is so much better and less complicated than 'Detachments'. This affects almost all of your infantry.		* 'State Troops' is so much better and less complicated than 'Detachments'. This affects almost all of your infantry.
	** Game shifting too many smaller bricks makes the State Troops counter strike trigger more oftne.		** Game shifting too many smaller bricks makes the State Troops counter strike trigger more oftne.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Magic */

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Magic

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	* '''Light:''' Gives you a lot of very nice buffs (Speed of Light is a godsend should your opponent get into your artillery) and debuffs (particularly Net of Amyntok). A particularly nasty combo (if you can get it off) is Speed of Light and Birona's Timewarp, which together will make your Greatswords/knights with greatweapons hit like Frenzied High Elf Swordmasters. Very good lore, especially considering the fact that it's statistically the easiest lore to cast.		* '''Light:''' Gives you a lot of very nice buffs (Speed of Light is a godsend should your opponent get into your artillery) and debuffs (particularly Net of Amyntok). A particularly nasty combo (if you can get it off) is Speed of Light and Birona's Timewarp, which together will make your Greatswords/knights with greatweapons hit like Frenzied High Elf Swordmasters. Very good lore, especially considering the fact that it's statistically the easiest lore to cast.

	* '''Death:''' Four words: Purple Sun of Xereus. It also has very good buffs and debuffs, though you've got to be close to an enemy for the latter.		* '''Death:''' Four words: Purple Sun of Xereus. It also has very good buffs and debuffs, though you've got to be close to an enemy for the latter (you have horses and Pegasus for that).

	* '''Shadow:''' Has a lot of very good debuffs and grants additional mobility to self and another character. But you really want this Lore for Okkam's Mindrazor, which replaces a unit's Strength score with its Leadership when rolling to wound, which means that the unit you cast it on will essentially have at least 7 Strength(!) in close combat. Cast it on your Knights, Greatswords, or Flagellants and swing for the bleachers. This is statistically the hardest lore to cast, so make sure to give it to a level 4 Wizard Lord.		* '''Shadow:''' Has a lot of very good debuffs and grants additional mobility to self and another character. But you really want this Lore for Okkam's Mindrazor, which replaces a unit's Strength score with its Leadership when rolling to wound, which means that the unit you cast it on will essentially have at least 7 Strength(!) in close combat. Cast it on your Knights, Greatswords, or Flagellants and swing for the bleachers. This is statistically the hardest lore to cast, so make sure to give it to a level 4 Wizard Lord.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Additional Knightly Orders */

2023-02-28T01:36:47Z

Additional Knightly Orders

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	*'''[[Knights of the Hammers of Sigmar]] (core):''' Sigmar's Blood Knights that trade lances and shields for great weapons. They have less problem walking alongside your flanks to give them their aura.		*'''[[Knights of the Hammers of Sigmar]] (core):''' Sigmar's Blood Knights that trade lances and shields for great weapons. They have less problem walking alongside your flanks to give them their aura.

	*'''[[Templars of Sigmar]] (Special):''' The Knightly Order of [[Witch Hunter]]s, they have a Brace of pistol and ~~medium~~ amour, a deviation from the typical knightly model. They have more in common as upgraded free Companies. They are Skirmish with Magic attacks, hate Warriors and daemons of Chaos, and possess Magic Resistance 1 to protect them from the various heresies they'll inevitably fight.		*'''[[Templars of Sigmar]] (Special):''' The Knightly Order of [[Witch Hunter]]s, they have a Brace of pistol and light amour, a deviation from the typical knightly model. They have more in common as upgraded free Companies. They are Skirmish with Magic attacks, hate Warriors and daemons of Chaos, and possess Magic Resistance 1 to protect them from the various heresies they'll inevitably fight.

	*'''[[Knights of the Fiery Heart]] (core):''' May replace their lance and shield for great weapons for free and Hate Greenskins.		*'''[[Knights of the Fiery Heart]] (core):''' May replace their lance and shield for great weapons for free and Hate Greenskins.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Additional Knightly Orders */

2023-02-28T01:35:08Z

Additional Knightly Orders

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	*''' [[Manann\|Sons of Manann on Foot]] (core):''' On foot, they become upgraded Swordsmen with medium armor & bucklers, making them fairly tanky with a 4+/5++ save. Another good holding and grinding unit against low-armor infantry.		*''' [[Manann\|Sons of Manann on Foot]] (core):''' On foot, they become upgraded Swordsmen with medium armor & bucklers, making them fairly tanky with a 4+/5++ save. Another good holding and grinding unit against low-armor infantry.

	*'''[[Knights of the Raven]] (Core):''' Undead Hunters. They dropped their Lances for bows to shoot as they closed into melee. They are mounted archers in +1 armour. Currently, they are an inverted role of Pistolier, where they are well protected from even handguns but far less killing power and maneuverability. They also do slightly better against Vampire counts having hatred for them and Immunity to Terror.		*'''[[Knights of the Raven]] (Core):''' Undead Hunters. They dropped their Lances for bows to shoot as they closed into melee. They are mounted archers in +2/+1 armour. Currently, they are an inverted role of Pistolier, where they are well protected from even handguns but far less killing power and maneuverability. They also do slightly better against Vampire counts having hatred for them and Immunity to Terror.
	**Don't know, but I don't think they are that good, paying 22 points per bow when you can get 3 archers and a standard bearer.		**Don't know, but I don't think they are that good, paying 19 points per bow when you can get 3 archers and a standard bearer.

	*'''[[Knights of the Verdant Field]] (Special):''' Elite Huntsmen with 4 in WS and BS and Light Armour. You want a scouting bow unit that can also perform melee for occasions. Unless your need points, The Longshanks fill the role better.		*'''[[Knights of the Verdant Field]] (Special):''' Elite Huntsmen with 4 in WS and BS and Light Armour. You want a scouting bow unit that can also perform melee for occasions. Unless your need points, The Longshanks fill the role better.
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	*'''[[Knights of the Hammers of Sigmar]] (core):''' Sigmar's Blood Knights that trade lances and shields for great weapons. They have less problem walking alongside your flanks to give them their aura.		*'''[[Knights of the Hammers of Sigmar]] (core):''' Sigmar's Blood Knights that trade lances and shields for great weapons. They have less problem walking alongside your flanks to give them their aura.

	*'''[[Templars of Sigmar]] (Special):''' The Knightly Order of [[Witch Hunter]]s, they have a Brace of pistol and ~~light~~ amour, a deviation from the typical knightly model. They have more in common as upgraded free Companies. They are Skirmish with Magic attacks, hate Warriors and daemons of Chaos, and possess Magic Resistance 1 to protect them from the various heresies they'll inevitably fight.		*'''[[Templars of Sigmar]] (Special):''' The Knightly Order of [[Witch Hunter]]s, they have a Brace of pistol and medium amour, a deviation from the typical knightly model. They have more in common as upgraded free Companies. They are Skirmish with Magic attacks, hate Warriors and daemons of Chaos, and possess Magic Resistance 1 to protect them from the various heresies they'll inevitably fight.

	*'''[[Knights of the Fiery Heart]] (core):''' May replace their lance and shield for great weapons for free and Hate Greenskins.		*'''[[Knights of the Fiery Heart]] (core):''' May replace their lance and shield for great weapons for free and Hate Greenskins.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Additional Knightly Orders */

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	*'''[[The Longshanks]] (Special):''' Knights of the Verdant Field but better by paying +1pt more for paired hand weapons.		*'''[[The Longshanks]] (Special):''' Knights of the Verdant Field but better by paying +1pt more for paired hand weapons.

	*'''[[Knights Griffon]] (core):'" they don't need to roll when Reforming after a charging a fleeing unit or lose a round of combat, but they are too prideful to run from a charge or use Swifstride when fleeing. They are better at changing their formations for the current situation and good positioning rarely puts knights in a position they have to run.		*'''[[Knights Griffon]] (core):''' they don't need to roll when Reforming after a charging a fleeing unit or lose a round of combat, but they are too prideful to run from a charge or use Swifstride when fleeing. They are better at changing their formations for the current situation and good positioning rarely puts knights in a position they have to run.

	*"' [[Manann\|Sons of Manann]] (core):''' they wear medium armour, wield Tridents (polearms), and gains +1 to hit during the first CC round. They have the best time translating their attacks into wounds when fighting other humans.		*''' [[Manann\|Sons of Manann]] (core):''' they wear medium armour, wield Tridents (polearms), and gains +1 to hit during the first CC round. They have the best time translating their attacks into wounds when fighting other humans.
	*"' [[Manann\|Sons of Manann on Foot]] (core):' "On foot, they become upgraded Swordsmen with medium armor & bucklers, making them fairly tanky with a 4+/5++ save. Another good holding and grinding unit against low-armor infantry.		*''' [[Manann\|Sons of Manann on Foot]] (core):''' On foot, they become upgraded Swordsmen with medium armor & bucklers, making them fairly tanky with a 4+/5++ save. Another good holding and grinding unit against low-armor infantry.

	*'''[[Knights of the Raven]] (Core):''' Undead Hunters. They dropped their Lances for bows to shoot as they closed into melee. They are mounted archers in +1 armour. Currently, they are an inverted role of Pistolier, where they are well protected from even handguns but far less killing power and maneuverability. They also do slightly better against Vampire counts having hatred for them and Immunity to Terror.		*'''[[Knights of the Raven]] (Core):''' Undead Hunters. They dropped their Lances for bows to shoot as they closed into melee. They are mounted archers in +1 armour. Currently, they are an inverted role of Pistolier, where they are well protected from even handguns but far less killing power and maneuverability. They also do slightly better against Vampire counts having hatred for them and Immunity to Terror.
	**~~don~~'t know, but I don't think they are that good, paying 22 points per bow when you can get 3 archers and a standard bearer.		**Don't know, but I don't think they are that good, paying 22 points per bow when you can get 3 archers and a standard bearer.

	*'''[[Knights of the Verdant Field]] (Special):''' Elite Huntsmen with 4 in WS and BS and Light Armour. You want a scouting bow unit that can also perform melee for occasions. Unless your need points, The Longshanks fill the role better.		*'''[[Knights of the Verdant Field]] (Special):''' Elite Huntsmen with 4 in WS and BS and Light Armour. You want a scouting bow unit that can also perform melee for occasions. Unless your need points, The Longshanks fill the role better.
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	*'''[[Knights of the Twin-Tailed Orb]] (Core):''' Have their Hands full with a Flaming Flail and can't be outnumbered but must pursue fleeing units. Good at engaging with and chasing off regenerating monsters and animal-based units.		*'''[[Knights of the Twin-Tailed Orb]] (Core):''' Have their Hands full with a Flaming Flail and can't be outnumbered but must pursue fleeing units. Good at engaging with and chasing off regenerating monsters and animal-based units.

	*'''[[Knights of the Black Bear]] (Core):''' Knights with strength bonuses on charges, giving a total Strength with lance up to 6 or even 7 on the charge, but has a chance not to move each turn. When they do charge, the receivers are unlikely to live. They are the best candidates for the role of anti-calvary ~~calvary~~.		*'''[[Knights of the Black Bear]] (Core):''' Knights with strength bonuses on charges, giving a total Strength with lance up to 6 or even 7 on the charge, but has a chance not to move each turn. When they do charge, the receivers are unlikely to live. They are the best candidates for the role of anti-calvary cavalry.

	*'''[[Hunters of Sigmar]] (Core):''' Cheap Countryside knights. With the lack of maintenance, they downgrade to Heavy armour and must reroll wounds and Saves of 6. Despite their neglect, they have a Hated for Beastmen, able to Vanguard and ride unimpeded with Forest strider. In melee, they charge with lance bet then switch to Greatweapons the next round to maintain their high strength attacks. They are a must for early aggression lists but need wizard magic to help with their minor reroll problem.		*'''[[Hunters of Sigmar]] (Core):''' Cheap Countryside knights. With the lack of maintenance, they downgrade to Heavy armour and must reroll wounds and Saves of 6. Despite their neglect, they have a Hated for Beastmen, able to Vanguard and ride unimpeded with Forest strider. In melee, they charge with lance bet and then switch to Greatweapons the next round to maintain their high strength attacks. They are a must for early aggression lists but need wizard magic to help with their minor reroll problem.

	*'''[[Knigths of the Broken Sword]] (Core):''' Hate all Forces of Destruction but suffer from Berserk Fury. They cost the same as normal Knights, and facing a Forces of Destruction armies are common, worth considering if you don't mind losing control on occasions.		*'''[[Knigths of the Broken Sword]] (Core):''' Hate all Forces of Destruction but suffer from Berserk Fury. They cost the same as normal Knights, and facing a Forces of Destruction armies are common, worth considering if you don't mind losing control on occasions.