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	'''~~suicide~~ Eagles are an Elves' Best Friend'''		'''Suicide Eagles are an Elves' Best Friend'''

	I've said it once and I'll say it again: Eagles is my MVP. First off, they are probably one of the most annoying pieces of chaff ever. They're great in the deployment phase when you can just put one down and stare into your opponent's soul. They're great ingame because they can fly boldly into your opponent's charge lanes and take one from the team; forcing them to charge them and re-position. Eagles buy you time, buy your movement and allow you to re-position your army while the Eagle re-positions your opponents. They allow you to chase down enemy chaff or flankers, help pressure warmachines and provide you with flank and rear charge CR should they survive mid-game. They act primarily as re-directors (a Frenzied unit's worst nightmare) and are the true workhorse of most High Elf armies.		I've said it once and I'll say it again: Eagles is my MVP. First off, they are probably one of the most annoying pieces of chaff ever. They're great in the deployment phase when you can just put one down and stare into your opponent's soul. They're great ingame because they can fly boldly into your opponent's charge lanes and take one from the team; forcing them to charge them and re-position. Eagles buy you time, buy your movement and allow you to re-position your army while the Eagle re-positions your opponents. They allow you to chase down enemy chaff or flankers, help pressure warmachines and provide you with flank and rear charge CR should they survive mid-game. They act primarily as re-directors (a Frenzied unit's worst nightmare) and are the true workhorse of most High Elf armies.

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	'''~~suiside~~ Eagles are an Elves' Best Friend'''		'''suicide Eagles are an Elves' Best Friend'''

	I've said it once and I'll say it again: Eagles is my MVP. First off, they are probably one of the most annoying pieces of chaff ever. They're great in the deployment phase when you can just put one down and stare into your opponent's soul. They're great ingame because they can fly boldly into your opponent's charge lanes and take one from the team; forcing them to charge them and re-position. Eagles buy you time, buy your movement and allow you to re-position your army while the Eagle re-positions your opponents. They allow you to chase down enemy chaff or flankers, help pressure warmachines and provide you with flank and rear charge CR should they survive mid-game. They act primarily as re-directors (a Frenzied unit's worst nightmare) and are the true workhorse of most High Elf armies.		I've said it once and I'll say it again: Eagles is my MVP. First off, they are probably one of the most annoying pieces of chaff ever. They're great in the deployment phase when you can just put one down and stare into your opponent's soul. They're great ingame because they can fly boldly into your opponent's charge lanes and take one from the team; forcing them to charge them and re-position. Eagles buy you time, buy your movement and allow you to re-position your army while the Eagle re-positions your opponents. They allow you to chase down enemy chaff or flankers, help pressure warmachines and provide you with flank and rear charge CR should they survive mid-game. They act primarily as re-directors (a Frenzied unit's worst nightmare) and are the true workhorse of most High Elf armies.

1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Special Units */

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Special Units

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	'''While your Core units are used to create the core (ha) of your army, this is where you get the guys who do most of the damage. Don't be afraid to shamelessly spend absurd amounts of points (in fact, the full limit you can usually) in your special choices. If you need something dead, and you're not in a big enough game to bring a Star Dragon, this is where you look.		'''While your Core units are used to create the core (ha) of your army, this is where you get the guys who do most of the damage. Don't be afraid to shamelessly spend absurd amounts of points (in fact, the full limit you can usually) in your special choices. If you need something dead, and you're not in a big enough game to bring a Star Dragon, this is where you look.

	* '''[[Swordmasters of Hoeth]]:''' 16pts for Heavily armored, great weapon-wielding, missile swatting, 2 attacks each, WS on par with most ~~elven~~ Lords, all while not suffering ANY I penalties from great weapons, but they only hit harder then halberds for only one combat round. These changes, on top of Phoenix Guard's "upgrade" to Rare make this unit have a real spot in the High Elf 9th edition roster. Compared to 8th they have a marginally better save, but lost fight in extra rank for 3pts. That is all. Hold Best damage-dealing infantry you have right now.		* '''[[Swordmasters of Hoeth]]:''' 16pts for Heavily armored, great weapon-wielding, missile swatting, 2 attacks each, WS on par with most other faction's Lords, all while not suffering ANY I penalties from great weapons, but they only hit harder then halberds for only one combat round. These changes, on top of Phoenix Guard's "upgrade" to Rare make this unit have a real spot in the High Elf 9th edition roster. Compared to 8th they have a marginally better save, but lost fight in extra rank for 3pts. That is all. Hold Best damage-dealing infantry you have right now.

	* '''[[White Lions of Chrace]]:''' Uncharacteristically and Unnaturally strong, S4, ax-wielding elves. Costing 2 more points than 8th for 15ppm, became Ld9 but lost ASF and Fight in Extra Rank. Still stubborn to the man, in an edition where steadfast is not as strong and easier to break. Although not as Quick with a Great weapon, they are now better monster Hunters with their additional abilities: gain 6++ parry when they Hold; inflict ASL on an enemy they charge; gain HKB on their first turn fighting a monstrous unit type. Makes them good at their job at running at dragons and Mornfangs to decapitate them, while Surviving until help arrives if they get charged first.		* '''[[White Lions of Chrace]]:''' Uncharacteristically and Unnaturally strong, S4, ax-wielding elves. Costing 2 more points than 8th for 15ppm, became Ld9 but lost ASF and Fight in Extra Rank. Still stubborn to the man, in an edition where steadfast is not as strong and easier to break. Although not as Quick with a Great weapon, they are now better monster Hunters with their additional abilities: gain 6++ parry when they Hold; inflict ASL on an enemy they charge; gain HKB on their first turn fighting a monstrous unit type. Makes them good at their job at running at dragons and Mornfangs to decapitate them, while Surviving until help arrives if they get charged first.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Rare Units */

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	* '''[[Handmaidens of the Everqueen]]:''' Now remade into the elites of elite Sisters. They now possess spears (And fight in an extra rank) and have Quick to Fire to improve their shooting. You can take a Horn of Isha, which you should take any time you aren't taking the Reaver Bow. If you take the Banner of Avelorn, you can make a Life or Light Mage's day as you seriously buff their casting while the Alarielle still lives.		* '''[[Handmaidens of the Everqueen]]:''' Now remade into the elites of elite Sisters. They now possess spears (And fight in an extra rank) and have Quick to Fire to improve their shooting. You can take a Horn of Isha, which you should take any time you aren't taking the Reaver Bow. If you take the Banner of Avelorn, you can make a Life or Light Mage's day as you seriously buff their casting while the Alarielle still lives.

	* '''[[Great Eagle]]:''' ~~50pts~~. Used to be the only chaff the High Elf army had, but now you've got Reavers and Silver Helms as options in this respect as well. At a mere 50 points, it's easy to field a couple of eagles in any game higher than 1500. These guys are still the champions of war machine hunting, redirecting, and mage hunting, but they die easier than Silver Helms. It's hard to argue with the Reavers having a ranged attack on top of that role. Hence, the primary use of the Great Eagle is now to do the same role but save points (a group of 5 Reavers without bows would cost 70 points and with bows would cost 85 points, a group of 5 Silver Helms would cost 110, and all 3 choices fulfill the same role to different capacities). With T4 and W3, they're kinda survivable but don't expect them to survive through the end of the game. They are the ultimate sacrificial units in the chaff slot and can usually slow down other units and kill at least their points worth, with their two S4 attacks coupled with optional Armor Piercing(1). A unit of Shadow Warriors can fulfill its role to an extent as well, but Eagle is still preferred.		* '''[[Great Eagle]]:''' 45pts. Used to be the only chaff the High Elf army had, but now you've got Reavers and Silver Helms as options in this respect as well. At a mere 50 points, it's easy to field a couple of eagles in any game higher than 1500. These guys are still the champions of war machine hunting, redirecting, and mage hunting, but they die easier than Silver Helms. It's hard to argue with the Reavers having a ranged attack on top of that role. Hence, the primary use of the Great Eagle is now to do the same role but save points (a group of 5 Reavers without bows would cost 70 points and with bows would cost 85 points, a group of 5 Silver Helms would cost 110, and all 3 choices fulfill the same role to different capacities). With T4 and W3, they're kinda survivable but don't expect them to survive through the end of the game. They are the ultimate sacrificial units in the chaff slot and can usually slow down other units and kill at least their points worth, with their two S4 attacks coupled with optional Armor Piercing(1). A unit of Shadow Warriors can fulfill its role to an extent as well, but Eagle is still preferred.

	*'''[[Lothern Skycutter]]:''' 100/125pts. It's a flying Tiranoc chariot with an extra crewman, but each one has a bow compared to the longbow of the Tiranoc. The Roc (not an Eagle, a Roc) hits harder and has an extra attack, and all this comes at only 25 more points than the Chariot. But that's not why you take a Lothern Skycutter. Three words: Flying Bolt Throwers! It's a 25 point upgrade to have one of the crewmen it, and it's what you're looking for in this choice. However, unlike the regular Bolt Thrower, this one is a bit different. For one, there's only one type of fire, a single bolt which has half the range of an ordinary Bolt Thrower with 1 Strength less, same D3 wounds and ignoring armor saves, BUT can be fired whether it moves or not. It's beautiful, isn't it? While your Eagles and/or Shadow Warriors have things stuck on the enemy's side of the map, just park out of range of a charge and make them bleed. Unfortunately, with moving and only a range of 24 (and therefore at long range when over 12 inches), odds are you're gonna need a 5+ to hit, so you might not get as much mileage out of that Bolt Thrower as you want. Consider carefully. If you're going to take a single Tiranoc Chariot, you might consider a Bolt Thrower-less Skycutter if you can find 25 points. For those points, you get 1 more crewman (and thus 1 more spear attack/bow shot), 1 higher armor, plus 2WS and 1S on your mount. Probably worth those points.		*'''[[Lothern Skycutter]]:''' 100/125pts. It's a flying Tiranoc chariot with an extra crewman, but each one has a bow compared to the longbow of the Tiranoc. The Roc (not an Eagle, a Roc) hits harder and has an extra attack, and all this comes at only 25 more points than the Chariot. But that's not why you take a Lothern Skycutter. Three words: Flying Bolt Throwers! It's a 25 point upgrade to have one of the crewmen it, and it's what you're looking for in this choice. However, unlike the regular Bolt Thrower, this one is a bit different. For one, there's only one type of fire, a single bolt which has half the range of an ordinary Bolt Thrower with 1 Strength less, same D3 wounds and ignoring armor saves, BUT can be fired whether it moves or not. It's beautiful, isn't it? While your Eagles and/or Shadow Warriors have things stuck on the enemy's side of the map, just park out of range of a charge and make them bleed. Unfortunately, with moving and only a range of 24 (and therefore at long range when over 12 inches), odds are you're gonna need a 5+ to hit, so you might not get as much mileage out of that Bolt Thrower as you want. Consider carefully. If you're going to take a single Tiranoc Chariot, you might consider a Bolt Thrower-less Skycutter if you can find 25 points. For those points, you get 1 more crewman (and thus 1 more spear attack/bow shot), 1 higher armor, plus 2WS and 1S on your mount. Probably worth those points.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Vaul's Forge */

2023-02-24T02:11:47Z

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	*'''The Reaver Bow:''' 30pts. Longbow with S5 Piercing 1. For 30 points, this is quite good for an archer prince. 5 points more expensive and now constantly hits at str 5. No longer able to cheese with a Potion of Strength.		*'''The Reaver Bow:''' 30pts. Longbow with S5 Piercing 1. For 30 points, this is quite good for an archer prince. 5 points more expensive and now constantly hits at str 5. No longer able to cheese with a Potion of Strength.

	*'''Shield of the Merwyrm:''' ~~25pts~~. Shield, Gain Parry(4+). Due to general rule changes, everyone's favorite BSB combo went from blue-chip to useless. With the addition of Elven Grace and mundane shields still getting a ward save when paired with magic weapons, this item is terribad. ~~Stick~~ with an enchanted shield and talisman of protection for a +4 Parry most of the time, +6 Ward all the time, and +2 Armor on foot with Heavy/Dragon Armor.		*'''Shield of the Merwyrm:''' 15pts. Shield, Gain Parry(5++). Due to general rule changes, everyone's favorite BSB combo went from blue-chip to useless. With the addition of Elven Grace and mundane shields still getting a ward save when paired with magic weapons, this item is terribad. Seeing a power and price reduction to compare with the power of taking a enchanted shield and talisman of protection for a +4 Parry most of the time, +6 Ward all the time, and +2 Armor on foot with Heavy/Dragon Armor.

	*'''Shadow Armour:''' 25pts. Only works on foot, Medium armour that gives a footslogger scout and strider. Did you want your Mounted Noble to be one-elf destruction? Strider is nice in itself, but unless you're going with Shadow Warriors, he'll be on his own if you use Scout.		*'''Shadow Armour:''' 25pts. Only works on foot, Medium armour that gives a footslogger scout and strider. Did you want your Mounted Noble to be one-elf destruction? Strider is nice in itself, but unless you're going with Shadow Warriors, he'll be on his own if you use Scout.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Rare Units */

2023-02-24T02:05:18Z

Rare Units

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	* '''[[Phoenix Guard]]:''' Moved to Rare- Phoenix Guard is not only the best unit in the High Elf army, but they had been probably in the top 3 best units of the game. 16 points for WS5, S3 (S4 because of halberds), I6, LD9, Fear causing, Heavy Armored. Wait, that doesn't sound good? Oh, they also have a 4+ Ward Save standard. Yeah, there you go. These guys can get hit in the face by a cannonball and just shrug it off, and they've got enough killing power to actually give back. Be sure to give them a solid bit of static CR because LD9 does not make them immune to failing their break test (BSB works well and will be difficult to kill inside that unit). Make them very deep to take away steadfast. No High Elf army doesn't have room for these lads (other than the full cavalry list).		* '''[[Phoenix Guard]]:''' Moved to Rare- Phoenix Guard is not only the best unit in the High Elf army, but they had been probably in the top 3 best units of the game. 18 points for WS5, S3 (S4 because of halberds), A2, I6, LD9, Fear causing, Heavy Armored. Wait, that doesn't sound good? Oh, they also have a 4+ Ward Save standard. Yeah, there you go. These guys can get hit in the face by a cannonball and just shrug it off, and they've got enough killing power to actually give back. Be sure to give them a solid bit of static CR because LD9 does not make them immune to failing their break test (BSB works well and will be difficult to kill inside that unit). Make them very deep to take away steadfast. No High Elf army doesn't have room for these lads (other than the full cavalry list).
	**Moved to Rare has hurt them as you can only take one in any game with less than 3000pts. They are still effective as a big deathstar anvil.		**Moved to Rare has hurt them as you can only take one in any game with less than 3000pts. They are still effective as a big deathstar anvil.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Special Units */

2023-02-24T02:03:19Z

Special Units

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	* '''[[Swordmasters of Hoeth]]:''' 16pts for Heavily armored, great weapon-wielding, missile swatting, 2 attacks each, WS on par with most elven Lords, all while not suffering ANY I penalties from great weapons, but they only hit harder then halberds for only one combat round. These changes, on top of Phoenix Guard's "upgrade" to Rare make this unit have a real spot in the High Elf 9th edition roster. Compared to 8th they have a marginally better save, but lost fight in extra rank for 3pts. That is all. Hold Best damage-dealing infantry you have right now.		* '''[[Swordmasters of Hoeth]]:''' 16pts for Heavily armored, great weapon-wielding, missile swatting, 2 attacks each, WS on par with most elven Lords, all while not suffering ANY I penalties from great weapons, but they only hit harder then halberds for only one combat round. These changes, on top of Phoenix Guard's "upgrade" to Rare make this unit have a real spot in the High Elf 9th edition roster. Compared to 8th they have a marginally better save, but lost fight in extra rank for 3pts. That is all. Hold Best damage-dealing infantry you have right now.

	* '''[[White Lions of Chrace]]:''' Uncharacteristically and Unnaturally strong, S4, ax-wielding elves. Costing 2 more points than 8th for 15ppm, became Ld9 but lost ASF and Fight in Extra Rank. Still stubborn to the man, in an edition where steadfast is not as strong and easier to break. Although not as Quick with a Great weapon, they are now better monster Hunters with their additional abilities: gain 6++ parry when ~~charged~~; inflict ASL on an enemy they charge; gain HKB on their first turn fighting a monstrous unit type. Makes them good at their job at running at dragons and Mornfangs to decapitate them, while Surviving until help arrives if they get charged first.		* '''[[White Lions of Chrace]]:''' Uncharacteristically and Unnaturally strong, S4, ax-wielding elves. Costing 2 more points than 8th for 15ppm, became Ld9 but lost ASF and Fight in Extra Rank. Still stubborn to the man, in an edition where steadfast is not as strong and easier to break. Although not as Quick with a Great weapon, they are now better monster Hunters with their additional abilities: gain 6++ parry when they Hold; inflict ASL on an enemy they charge; gain HKB on their first turn fighting a monstrous unit type. Makes them good at their job at running at dragons and Mornfangs to decapitate them, while Surviving until help arrives if they get charged first.

	* '''[[White Lion Chariot]]:''' 110pts. This is what Tiranoc Chariots suffer when compared to. With 2 S4 crew that hit at S6, 4 S5 Lion attacks, and an extra armor save, White Lion Chariots are pretty brutal when they hit right. As with all Chariots, they won't help much if you're playing defensively, but they really work fantastically on the charge. Each one costs 110 points, down 10 points from 8th edition.		* '''[[White Lion Chariot]]:''' 110pts. This is what Tiranoc Chariots suffer when compared to. With 2 S4 crew that hit at S6, 4 S5 Lion attacks, and an extra armor save, White Lion Chariots are pretty brutal when they hit right. As with all Chariots, they won't help much if you're playing defensively, but they really work fantastically on the charge. Each one costs 110 points, down 10 points from 8th edition.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Rare Units */

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Rare Units

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	* '''[[Phoenix Guard]]:''' Moved to Rare- Phoenix Guard is not only the best unit in the High Elf army but they had been probably in the top 3 best units of the game. 16 points for WS5, S3 (S4 because of halberds), I6, LD9, Fear causing, Heavy Armored. Wait that doesn't sound good? Oh, they also have a 4+ Ward Save, standard. Yeah, there you go. These guys can get hit in the face by a cannonball and just shrug it off, and they've got enough killing power to actually give back. Be sure to give them a solid bit of static CR, because LD9 does not make them immune to failing their break test (BSB works well and will be difficult to kill inside that unit). Make them very deep to take away steadfast. ~~There is no~~ High Elf army ~~that~~ doesn't have room for these lads (other than the full cavalry list).		* '''[[Phoenix Guard]]:''' Moved to Rare- Phoenix Guard is not only the best unit in the High Elf army, but they had been probably in the top 3 best units of the game. 16 points for WS5, S3 (S4 because of halberds), I6, LD9, Fear causing, Heavy Armored. Wait, that doesn't sound good? Oh, they also have a 4+ Ward Save standard. Yeah, there you go. These guys can get hit in the face by a cannonball and just shrug it off, and they've got enough killing power to actually give back. Be sure to give them a solid bit of static CR because LD9 does not make them immune to failing their break test (BSB works well and will be difficult to kill inside that unit). Make them very deep to take away steadfast. No High Elf army doesn't have room for these lads (other than the full cavalry list).
	**Moved to Rare has hurt them as you can only take one in any game with less than 3000pts. They are still effective as a big deathstar anvil.		**Moved to Rare has hurt them as you can only take one in any game with less than 3000pts. They are still effective as a big deathstar anvil.

	* '''[[Handmaidens of the Everqueen]]:''' Now remade into the elites of elite Sisters. They now possess spears (And fight in an extra rank) and have Quick to Fire to ~~make~~ their shooting ~~even better~~. ~~Can~~ take a Horn of Isha, which you should take any time you aren't taking the Reaver Bow. If you take the Banner of Avelorn, you can make a Life or Light Mage's day as you seriously buff their casting while the Alarielle still lives.		* '''[[Handmaidens of the Everqueen]]:''' Now remade into the elites of elite Sisters. They now possess spears (And fight in an extra rank) and have Quick to Fire to improve their shooting. You can take a Horn of Isha, which you should take any time you aren't taking the Reaver Bow. If you take the Banner of Avelorn, you can make a Life or Light Mage's day as you seriously buff their casting while the Alarielle still lives.

	* '''[[Great Eagle]]:''' 50pts. Used to be the only chaff the High Elf army had, but now you've got Reavers and Silver Helms as options in this respect as well. At a mere 50 points, it's easy to field a couple of eagles in any game higher than 1500. These guys are still the champions of war machine hunting, redirecting, and mage hunting, but they die easier than Silver Helms ~~and it~~'s hard to argue with the Reavers having a ranged attack on top of that role so the primary use of the Great Eagle is now to do the same role but save points (a group of 5 Reavers without bows would cost 70 points and with bows would cost 85 points, a group of 5 Silver Helms would cost 110, and all 3 choices fulfill the same role to different capacities). With T4 and W3, they're kinda survivable but don't expect them to survive through the end of the game. They are the ultimate sacrificial units in the chaff slot, and can usually slow down other units and kill at least their points worth, with their two S4 attacks coupled with optional Armor Piercing(1). A unit of Shadow Warriors can fulfill its role to an extent as well, but Eagle is still preferred.		* '''[[Great Eagle]]:''' 50pts. Used to be the only chaff the High Elf army had, but now you've got Reavers and Silver Helms as options in this respect as well. At a mere 50 points, it's easy to field a couple of eagles in any game higher than 1500. These guys are still the champions of war machine hunting, redirecting, and mage hunting, but they die easier than Silver Helms. It's hard to argue with the Reavers having a ranged attack on top of that role. Hence, the primary use of the Great Eagle is now to do the same role but save points (a group of 5 Reavers without bows would cost 70 points and with bows would cost 85 points, a group of 5 Silver Helms would cost 110, and all 3 choices fulfill the same role to different capacities). With T4 and W3, they're kinda survivable but don't expect them to survive through the end of the game. They are the ultimate sacrificial units in the chaff slot and can usually slow down other units and kill at least their points worth, with their two S4 attacks coupled with optional Armor Piercing(1). A unit of Shadow Warriors can fulfill its role to an extent as well, but Eagle is still preferred.

	*'''[[Lothern Skycutter]]:''' 100/125pts. It's a flying Tiranoc chariot with an extra crewman but each one has a bow compared to the longbow of the Tiranoc. The Roc (not an Eagle, a Roc) hits harder and has an extra attack, and all this comes at only 25 more points than the Chariot. But that's not why you take a Lothern Skycutter. Three words: Flying Bolt Throwers! It's a 25 point upgrade to have one of the crewmen it, and it's what you're looking for in this choice. ~~Unlike~~ the regular Bolt Thrower~~, however~~, this one is a bit different. For one, there's only one type of fire, a single bolt which has half the range of an ordinary Bolt Thrower with 1 Strength less, same D3 wounds and ignoring armor saves, BUT can be fired whether it moves or not. It's beautiful, isn't it? While your Eagles and/or Shadow Warriors have things stuck on the enemy's side of the map, just park out of range of a charge and make them bleed. Unfortunately with moving and only a range of 24 (and therefore at long range when over 12 inches) odds are you're gonna need a 5+ to hit, so you might not get as much mileage out of that Bolt Thrower as you want. Consider carefully. ~~Note that if~~ you're ~~gonna~~ take a single Tiranoc Chariot, you might consider a Bolt Thrower-less Skycutter, if you can find 25 points. For those points, you get 1 more crewman (and thus 1 more spear attack/bow shot) 1 higher armor, plus 2WS and 1S on your mount. Probably worth those points.		*'''[[Lothern Skycutter]]:''' 100/125pts. It's a flying Tiranoc chariot with an extra crewman, but each one has a bow compared to the longbow of the Tiranoc. The Roc (not an Eagle, a Roc) hits harder and has an extra attack, and all this comes at only 25 more points than the Chariot. But that's not why you take a Lothern Skycutter. Three words: Flying Bolt Throwers! It's a 25 point upgrade to have one of the crewmen it, and it's what you're looking for in this choice. However, unlike the regular Bolt Thrower, this one is a bit different. For one, there's only one type of fire, a single bolt which has half the range of an ordinary Bolt Thrower with 1 Strength less, same D3 wounds and ignoring armor saves, BUT can be fired whether it moves or not. It's beautiful, isn't it? While your Eagles and/or Shadow Warriors have things stuck on the enemy's side of the map, just park out of range of a charge and make them bleed. Unfortunately, with moving and only a range of 24 (and therefore at long range when over 12 inches), odds are you're gonna need a 5+ to hit, so you might not get as much mileage out of that Bolt Thrower as you want. Consider carefully. If you're going to take a single Tiranoc Chariot, you might consider a Bolt Thrower-less Skycutter if you can find 25 points. For those points, you get 1 more crewman (and thus 1 more spear attack/bow shot), 1 higher armor, plus 2WS and 1S on your mount. Probably worth those points.

	* '''[[Flamespyre Phoenix]]:''' 225pts. If you're taking the Flamespyre Phoenix, you should really scroll up and read the section for it as a mount for an Anointed of Asuryan. That's really how you want to play it, otherwise, the Frostheart is what you are looking for.		* '''[[Flamespyre Phoenix]]:''' 225pts. If you're taking the Flamespyre Phoenix, you should really scroll up and read the section for it as a mount for an Anointed of Asuryan. That's really how you want to play it; otherwise, the Frostheart is what you are looking for.
	** '''Alternate Opinion:''' Taking an Anointed on a Flamespyre Phoenix is actually a massive waste of the Anointed. You are paying an extra 210 points for a ~~rider who is~~ completely useless when the Phoenix is doing flyby burning, which is how you should usually be using it. An Anointed isn't gonna help the Phoenix fight anything except stuff the Phoenix is already qualified to fight, so you're basically paying those 210 points (plus any magic items you want to give him) to get +1 to his resurrection rolls. Never mind that A: when the Phoenix bites it so does the Anointed, B: you're wasting the Anointed ability to grand a 6++ and ItP to a unit, and C: it means that the 225 points for the Phoenix come from Lord choices instead of Rare, which is bad because you need your Lord points. ~~Just take~~ the Flamespyre alone and concentrate on the flyby and ~~charging~~ smaller units.		** '''Alternate Opinion:''' Taking an Anointed on a Flamespyre Phoenix is actually a massive waste of the Anointed. You are paying an extra 210 points for a completely useless rider when the Phoenix is doing flyby burning, which is how you should usually be using it. An Anointed isn't gonna help the Phoenix fight anything except stuff the Phoenix is already qualified to fight, so you're basically paying those 210 points (plus any magic items you want to give him) to get +1 to his resurrection rolls. Never mind that A: when the Phoenix bites it, so does the Anointed, B: you're wasting the Anointed ability to grand a 6++ and ItP to a unit, and C: it means that the 225 points for the Phoenix come from Lord choices instead of Rare, which is bad because you need your Lord points. Take the Flamespyre alone and concentrate on the flyby and charge smaller units.

	* '''[[Frostheart Phoenix]]:''' 260pts. When you get old, you get cold more often it seems~~, this~~ is especially true if you were a fricking blazing Phoenix since you become a freezing Phoenix. It is tougher and stronger than its younger version but can't drop napalm and loses its "I'll be back" ability. So it costs a fraction more and if you want to have your monster stay alive instead of maybe coming back to life this is your choice. It has 5+ natural armor, which is decent. It Causes Terror, which is great. Ice Attack and Blizzard Aura lets it bestow ASL and it lowers enemy Strength by 1. Although it can pull chaff duty, that's really not where you want it unless you're just looking for more time to fill the enemy with arrows and bolts. Frosthearts should be with your main force, hitting whatever needs to be weakened the most after it's already in a fight with your anvil force.		* '''[[Frostheart Phoenix]]:''' 260pts. When you get old, you get cold more often, it seems. This is especially true if you were a fricking blazing Phoenix since you become a freezing Phoenix. It is tougher and stronger than its younger version but can't drop napalm and loses its "I'll be back" ability. So it costs a fraction more, and if you want to have your monster stay alive instead of maybe coming back to life, this is your choice. It has 5+ natural armor, which is decent. It Causes Terror, which is great. Ice Attack and Blizzard Aura lets it bestow ASL, and it lowers enemy Strength by 1. Although it can pull chaff duty, that's really not where you want it unless you're just looking for more time to fill the enemy with arrows and bolts. Frosthearts should be with your main force, hitting whatever needs to be weakened the most after it's already in a fight with your anvil force.

	*'''[[Merwyrm]]:''' 205pts. You now have a sea dragon that's about as strong as a sun dragon. Though it lacks flight or fire breath, it does have a 4+ regen and throws an extra S7 attack at I1. The Merwyrm is very durable ~~in addition to~~ not ~~competing~~ with the often tight character allowance. Will smash-up loads of simple Rank and file dudes while taking a lot back. ~~Also~~ helps you have lore of Life and High.		*'''[[Merwyrm]]:''' 205pts. You now have a sea dragon that's about as strong as a sun dragon. Though it lacks flight or fire breath, it does have a 4+ regen and throws an extra S7 attack at I1. The Merwyrm is very durable and does not compete with the often tight character allowance. Will smash-up loads of simple Rank and file dudes while taking a lot back. It also helps you have the lore of Life and High.

	==Regiments of Renown==		==Regiments of Renown==