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Pros

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	* If you've always wanted to play an all-goblin army without being encumbered by Orcs and/or Chaos Dwarfs, then here you go.		* If you've always wanted to play an all-goblin army without being encumbered by Orcs and/or Chaos Dwarfs, then here you go.
	* Sick of shitting yourself whenever you see an Elf? Well no more, because unlike your more diminutive relatives, you don't fear them, meaning you can face the Elgi like a real <s>man</s> gobbo!		* Sick of shitting yourself whenever you see an Elf? Well no more, because unlike your more diminutive relatives, you don't fear them, meaning you can face the Elgi like a real <s>man</s> gobbo!
	* If love Wolf Riders, then this is the army for you, because the vast bulk of your units will be on them. Consequently, you are VERY mobile.		* If you love Wolf Riders, then this is the army for you, because the vast bulk of your units will be on them. Consequently, you are VERY mobile.
	* You get a pretty decent selection of monstrous units to play around with.		* You get a pretty decent selection of monstrous units to play around with.

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Equipment

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Building Your Army

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	==Building Your Army==		==Building Your Army==
	Unlike Orcs & Goblins, the Hobgoblins are less burdened with choice when building an army. Most of the time, you are going to be making heavy use of cavalry with a few footsloggers knocking about to deal with the things your ~~wolves~~ and monsters can't.		Unlike Orcs & Goblins, the Hobgoblins are less burdened with choice when building an army. Most of the time, you are going to be making heavy use of cavalry with a few footsloggers knocking about to either serve as chaff or to deal with the things your cavalry and monsters can't.

	===Buying Your Army===		===Buying Your Army===

1d4chan>CoolGuy99: /* Units Analysis */

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Units Analysis

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	====Generic Characters====		====Generic Characters====
	*'''Khan:''' The first thing you'll realize that these gits are goblin bosses +1. With WS6 BS5 and S4 T4, they're capable of bringing a fight, and they have the Black Orc ability to silence animosity checks in units "6 around him. While the rest of the army can't be this 'ard, this guy's a necessity in any army. Thankfully, his loadout's versatile enough to welcome any army choice.		*'''Khan:''' 80pts. The first thing you'll realize that these gits are regular goblin bosses +1. With WS6, BS5, and S4 T4, they're capable of bringing a fight, and they have the Black Orc ability to silence animosity checks in units "6 around him. While the rest of the army can't be this 'ard, this guy's a necessity in any army. Thankfully, his loadout's versatile enough to welcome any army choice.

	*'''Chieftain:''' Since he's your only BSB, you'll need to haul him along. Thankfully, he's about as diverse in loadout as the Khan. ~~Chieftain~~ will often be leading your elite wolf riders so they don't stall to animosity.		*'''Chieftain:''' 45pts. Since he's your only BSB, you'll need to haul him along. Thankfully, he's about as diverse in loadout as the Khan. Chieftains will often be leading your more elite wolf riders so they don't stall to animosity.

	*'''Shaman Elder/Shaman:''' These wizards are far more versatile in their magic than the O&G shamans. Aside from their native lore of Spirits, these guys can also take Fire, Heavens, Beasts, and Shadow ~~Lores~~. However, ~~these~~ shamans ~~are only good for casting, as~~ no unit ~~takes~~ their Ld score and they can never be the general ~~and cost 145/60 points~~. He can be put on a ~~wolf for~~ mobility~~'s sake~~.		*'''Shaman Elder/Shaman:''' 145/60pts. These wizards are far more versatile in their magic than the O&G shamans. Aside from their native lore of Spirits, these guys can also take the Lores of Fire, Heavens, Beasts, and Shadow. However, that's about where the use for shamans ends; no unit can take their leadership score and they can never be the general, meaning that you're gonna be paying for full-time spellslingers. Thankfully they can both be put on a Wolf, meaning you can get some decent mobility around the board.

	====Mounts====		====Mounts====
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	===Core Units===		===Core Units===
	*'''Hobgoblin Warrior:''' The average rank and file are about as well equipped as average goblins with light armour+shields. They also come with the ability to inflict d6 S3 hits if a 10+ strength model manages to hold off on pursuing a unit they break. they will find themselves being the main holding force so wolfs can get their flanks.		*'''Hobgoblin Warrior:''' 70pts. The average rank and file are about as well equipped as average goblins with light armour+shields. They also come with the ability to inflict d6 S3 hits if a 10+ strength model manages to hold off on pursuing a unit they break. they will find themselves being the main holding force so wolfs can get their flanks.

	*'''Hobgoblin Archers:''' For 1.5 ppm more, you can give your warriors bows instead of weapons and armour...somehow. They have the same rules as before, which is troubling because they can now get decked easily. their role so your army can put down more arrow fire without having to also buy more wolfs.		*'''Hobgoblin Archers:''' 100pts. For 1.5 ppm more, you can give your warriors bows instead of weapons and armour...somehow. They have the same rules as before, which is troubling because they can now get decked easily. their role so your army can put down more arrow fire without having to also buy more wolfs.

	*'''Hobhound:''' A mixed unit with a pack of skirmishing doggos that are almost identical to wolves. In case you thought it was insane that such a fast unit would be held back by a goblin, you have the ability to let the hounds loose during a movement phase and let them run free and grant frenzy.		*'''Hobhound:''' 42pts. A mixed unit with a pack of skirmishing doggos that are almost identical to wolves. In case you thought it was insane that such a fast unit would be held back by a goblin, you have the ability to let the hounds loose during a movement phase and let them run free and grant frenzy.

	*'''Kharash:''' Your expendable waves of chaff with which you throw at the enemy. They don't count towards minimum core costs. ~~chaff~~ you would throw at chaff, but die as fast as Britonian Peasant mobs.		*'''Kharash:''' 40pts. Your even more expendable waves of chaff with which you throw at the enemy. They don't count towards minimum core costs. Chaff you would throw at chaff, but die as fast as Britonian Peasant mobs.

	*'''Wolf Raiders:''' Hobgoblins on wolves, a superior to Goblin Wolf Rider. These guys are more keen on archery than the foot ~~hobbos~~, and this is on top of being fast cavalry. They will make up most of your flanking force.		*'''Wolf Raiders:''' 60pts. Hobgoblins on wolves, a superior to the normal Goblin Wolf Rider. These guys are more keen on archery than the foot gobbos, and this is on top of being fast cavalry. They will make up most of your flanking force.

	===Special Units===		===Special Units===
	*'''Ravagers:''' Your melee cavalry with frenzied mounts. For whatever reason, these guys stick to hobhounds for mounts, which robs them of a few inches of movement. but Anyway they can rip up much chaff with their 5 attacks per model, they are a glass blender and only hitting and wounding like an average human, but they are still dangerous on pincer maneuvers.		*'''Ravagers:''' 75pts. Your melee cavalry with frenzied mounts. For whatever reason, these guys stick to hobhounds for mounts, which robs them of a few inches of movement. but Anyway they can rip up much chaff with their 5 attacks per model, they are a glass blender and only hitting and wounding like an average human, but they are still dangerous on pincer maneuvers.

	*'''Tarkans:''' Hobgoblins on giant wolves who become your dedicated pyromaniacs. Not only do these fuckers have fast cavalry and can be ambushers, but they also have flaming attacks and the ability to burn down both setpieces and war machines. Anyone within a forest or building on fire takes d6 S4 fire hits while war machines and chariots get torches pelted at them, each hit dealing d3 S4 hits. They will often find selves ambushing or vanguarding towards the nearest Regenerator, wooden thing, or warmachines so they can burn it down.		*'''Tarkans:''' 75pts. Hobgoblins on giant wolves who become your dedicated pyromaniacs. Not only do these fuckers have fast cavalry and can be ambushers, but they also have flaming attacks and the ability to burn down both setpieces and war machines. Anyone within a forest or building on fire takes d6 S4 fire hits while war machines and chariots get torches pelted at them, each hit dealing d3 S4 hits. They will often find selves ambushing or vanguarding towards the nearest Regenerator, wooden thing, or warmachines so they can burn it down.

	*'''Mangudai:''' Elite Wolf Raiders, archer edition. These goblins have Ded Shooty and can fire two shots each turn. For an extra 2ppm, these arrows can also be poisoned. Making the most of shooting someone in the back. Useful for picking off targets from afar.		*'''Mangudai:''' 85pts. Elite Wolf Raiders, archer edition. These goblins have Ded Shooty and can fire two shots each turn. For an extra 2ppm, these arrows can also be poisoned. Making the most of shooting someone in the back. Useful for picking off targets from afar.

	*'''Keshig:''' Heavily armored vanguard cavalry, still as capable of being archers. They have lances to prioritize charging and can buy poison and barding. They will often be used to deal with heavily armored foes, using poison to deal with tougher foes Empire Inner circle knights would have problems with.		*'''Keshig:''' 80pts. Heavily armored vanguard cavalry, still as capable of being archers. They have lances to prioritize charging and can buy poison and barding. They will often be used to deal with heavily armored foes, using poison to deal with tougher foes Empire Inner circle knights would have problems with.

	*'''Sneaky Gits:''' Hobgoblins with poisoned attacks and the option for skirmishing and scout. What makes them interesting is their ability to add an extra rank for fighting each round they are engaged in close combat, giving them the power to become an unstoppable tide of green. When scouting you would run them as turn one in your face distraction and flanking support in places vanguard can't reach. Alternatively, you would place them near your deployment zone, and use them like a hoard of daggers.		*'''Sneaky Gits:''' 60pts. Hobgoblins with poisoned attacks and the option for skirmishing and scout. What makes them interesting is their ability to add an extra rank for fighting each round they are engaged in close combat, giving them the power to become an unstoppable tide of green. When scouting you would run them as turn one in your face distraction and flanking support in places vanguard can't reach. Alternatively, you would place them near your deployment zone, and use them like a hoard of daggers.

	*'''War Wagon:''' A chariot mounted bolt thrower. This one's S5 and lacks piercing, making them a bit less deadly in exchange for their mobility. Thankfully, you have 2-3 wolves to protect it as well as the archer crew. Don't properly function due to outdated rules.		*'''War Wagon:''' 100pts. A chariot mounted bolt thrower. This one's S5 and lacks piercing, making them a bit less deadly in exchange for their mobility. Thankfully, you have 2-3 wolves to protect it as well as the archer crew. Don't properly function due to outdated rules.

	*'''Spear Chukka:''' A hobgoblin bolt thrower. ~~Take~~ out monsters and knights.		*'''Spear Chukka:''' 35pts. Your dirt-cheap hobgoblin bolt thrower. Use it at the back to take out monsters and knights.

	*'''Deathclaw:''' Deranged not-quite-yetis that aren't quite trolls or Yhetees either. Cost more but They have 5+ regen, piercing 1, and frenzy to help chop into the infantry.		*'''Deathclaw:''' 129pts. Deranged not-quite-yetis that aren't quite trolls or Yhetees either. Cost more but They have 5+ regen, piercing 1, and frenzy to help chop into the infantry.

	===Rare Units===		===Rare Units===

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Special Units

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	*'''Sneaky Gits:''' Hobgoblins with poisoned attacks and the option for skirmishing and scout. What makes them interesting is their ability to add an extra rank for fighting each round they are engaged in close combat, giving them the power to become an unstoppable tide of green. When scouting you would run them as turn one in your face distraction and flanking support in places vanguard can't reach. Alternatively, you would place them near your deployment zone, and use them like a hoard of daggers.		*'''Sneaky Gits:''' Hobgoblins with poisoned attacks and the option for skirmishing and scout. What makes them interesting is their ability to add an extra rank for fighting each round they are engaged in close combat, giving them the power to become an unstoppable tide of green. When scouting you would run them as turn one in your face distraction and flanking support in places vanguard can't reach. Alternatively, you would place them near your deployment zone, and use them like a hoard of daggers.

	*'''War Wagon:''' A chariot mounted bolt thrower. This one's S5 and lacks piercing, making them a bit less deadly in exchange for their mobility. Thankfully, you have 2-3 wolves to protect it as well as the archer crew.		*'''War Wagon:''' A chariot mounted bolt thrower. This one's S5 and lacks piercing, making them a bit less deadly in exchange for their mobility. Thankfully, you have 2-3 wolves to protect it as well as the archer crew. Don't properly function due to outdated rules.

	*'''Spear Chukka:''' A hobgoblin bolt thrower. Take out monsters and knights.		*'''Spear Chukka:''' A hobgoblin bolt thrower. Take out monsters and knights.

1d4chan>CoolGuy99: /* Buying Your Army */

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Buying Your Army

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	===Buying Your Army===		===Buying Your Army===
	As GW isn't selling any non-fungal/spidery Gobbos anymore (sans Rippa's Snarlfangs, who you could possibly kitbash into a few Khans), you're likely gonna have to look for third-party options.		As GW isn't selling any non-fungal/spidery Gobbos anymore (sans Rippa's Snarlfangs, who you could possibly kitbash into a few Khans), you're likely gonna have to look for third-party options. The Mongobbos from Lost Kingdom Miniatures are a good shout, if you can make some of the mounts look more wolfish.

	===Army Compositon===		===Army Compositon===

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Building Your Army

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	==Building Your Army==		==Building Your Army==
			Unlike Orcs & Goblins, the Hobgoblins are less burdened with choice when building an army. Most of the time, you are going to be making heavy use of cavalry with a few footsloggers knocking about to deal with the things your wolves and monsters can't.

			===Buying Your Army===
			As GW isn't selling any non-fungal/spidery Gobbos anymore (sans Rippa's Snarlfangs, who you could possibly kitbash into a few Khans), you're likely gonna have to look for third-party options.

	===Army Compositon===		===Army Compositon===

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	==Why Play WAP Hobgoblin==		==Why Play WAP Hobgoblin==
	===Pros===		===Pros===
	* If you've always wanted to play an all-goblin army without being encumbered by ~~bullying~~ Orcs and/or ~~slaving~~ Chaos Dwarfs, then here you go.		* If you've always wanted to play an all-goblin army without being encumbered by Orcs and/or Chaos Dwarfs, then here you go.
	* Sick of shitting yourself whenever you see an Elf? Well no more, because unlike your more diminutive relatives, you don't fear them, meaning you can face the Elgi like a real <s>man</s> gobbo!		* Sick of shitting yourself whenever you see an Elf? Well no more, because unlike your more diminutive relatives, you don't fear them, meaning you can face the Elgi like a real <s>man</s> gobbo!
	* If love Wolf Riders, then this is the army for you, because the vast bulk of your units will be on them. Consequently, you are VERY mobile.		* If love Wolf Riders, then this is the army for you, because the vast bulk of your units will be on them. Consequently, you are VERY mobile.
	* You get a decent ~~enough~~ selection of monstrous units to play around with.		* You get a pretty decent selection of monstrous units to play around with.

	===Cons===		===Cons===
	* Despite being an army of lankier and stronger gobbos... they're still an army of gobbos, and are thus squishy as hell.		* Despite being an army of lankier and stronger gobbos... they're still an army of gobbos, and are thus squishy as hell.
	* Army composition can be quite limited; you're only allowed to have Khans or Chieftams as your General, and they can only have Giant Wolves as mounts.		* Army composition can be quite limited; you're only allowed to have Khans or Chieftams as your General, and they can only have Giant Wolves as mounts.
	* The Wolves, despite their mobility and ~~relative bite in combat~~, could stand to be better at flanking and shooting.		* The Wolves, despite their mobility and offensive capability, could stand to be better at flanking and shooting.
	* Animosity's still as much of a bitch to deal with as it is in Orcs and Goblins~~. Still~~ gonna have to keep an HQ roving around the board to make sure your units don't start stabbing each other.		* Animosity's still as much of a bitch to deal with as it is in Orcs and Goblins, and you're still gonna have to keep an HQ roving around the board to make sure your units don't start stabbing each other.
	* Your army book hasn't received a proper update in literal years, and is very far down on the list. This means you're likely to be competing with much shinier and newer armies most the time.		* Your army book hasn't received a proper update in literal years, and is very far down on the list. This means you're likely to be competing with much shinier and newer armies most the time.

	==Special Rules==		==Special Rules==
	'''Ded Shooty:''' These models can't take penalties for moving and shooting and can also shoot before fleeing a charge. Especially useful for heavy cavalry like the Kheshig.		* '''Ded Shooty:''' These models can't take penalties for moving and shooting and can also shoot before fleeing a charge. Especially useful for heavy cavalry like the Kheshig.

	'''Cowardly Despoilers:''' Gain +1 to combat resolution when a unit charges an enemy unit's flank or rear, but take -1 to combat resolution when charged. Hobs win by combat resolution, so an additional +1 for each flank charge is good.		* '''Cowardly Despoilers:''' Gain +1 to combat resolution when a unit charges an enemy unit's flank or rear, but take -1 to combat resolution when charged. Hobs win by combat resolution, so an additional +1 for each flank charge is good.

	'''Treacherous Gits:''' Animosity under a new label. For every unit in your army with this rule, roll a d6. On a 1, you get a '''FUN''' and '''FLAVOURFUL''' result (that being d6 self-inflicted S3 hits), on a 2-5 the unit does nothing, and on a 6 the unit moves d6" and charges the nearest enemy.		* '''Treacherous Gits:''' Animosity under a new label. For every unit in your army with this rule, roll a d6. On a 1, you get a '''FUN''' and '''FLAVOURFUL''' result (that being d6 self-inflicted S3 hits), on a 2-5 the unit does nothing, and on a 6 the unit moves d6" and charges the nearest enemy.

	==Magic==		==Magic==
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	*'''Evershifting Map:''' 35pts. Makes the bearer and their unit scouts.		*'''Evershifting Map:''' 35pts. Makes the bearer and their unit scouts.

	*'''Bag O' Sneaky Tricks:''' 25pts. A randomized bag of random crap as determined at the game start. ~~The good stuff~~ is ~~good~~, but it's ~~very unreliable~~.		*'''Bag O' Sneaky Tricks:''' 25pts. A randomized bag of random crap as determined at the game start. Basically everything you can get here is worthwhile, but it's best taken with another magic item in the event of rolling a one.
	:# Jack shit. Sorry, try again next game.		:#Jack shit. Sorry, try again next game.
	:#Protective Amulet with 6++ Ward.		:#Protective Amulet with 6++ Ward.
	:#Red Gem that grants flaming attacks and immunity to fire. Pretty nifty unless you spent on the Dragon Helm.		:#Red Gem that grants flaming attacks and immunity to fire. Pretty nifty unless you spent on the Dragon Helm.

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	===Da Loot===		===Da Loot===
	*'''Warpstone Scimitar:''' 50pts. A poisoned weapon that makes enemies in combat with it test T or eats an unsaveable wound. However, each turn makes you roll for a 1/6 chance of eating an unsaveable wound yourself.		*'''Warpstone Scimitar:''' 50pts. A poisoned weapon that makes enemies in combat with it test T or eats an unsaveable wound. However, each turn makes you roll for a 1/6 chance of eating an unsaveable wound yourself.

	*'''The Black Bow:''' 35pts. A sniper bow that forces targets to re-roll armour saves.		*'''The Black Bow:''' 35pts. A sniper bow that forces targets to re-roll armour saves.

	*'''Lightning Spear:''' 30pts. Each successful wound on the charge also hits the model behind the target at S-1 like a bolt thrower, continuing so on and so forth until failure.		*'''Lightning Spear:''' 30pts. Each successful wound on the charge also hits the model behind the target at S-1 like a bolt thrower, continuing so on and so forth until failure.

	*'''Armour of the Wind Fortress:''' 50pts. Medium armour that teleports an unengaged character 6" at any time. It's pretty fabulous for a means to reach something without needing to enter combat or increase the charge distance.		*'''Armour of the Wind Fortress:''' 50pts. Medium armour that teleports an unengaged character 6" at any time. It's pretty fabulous for a means to reach something without needing to enter combat or increase the charge distance.

	*'''Fendrizz' Orb of Theft:''' 50pts. Steals an enemy's power die and puts it into your dispel pool.		*'''Fendrizz' Orb of Theft:''' 50pts. Steals an enemy's power die and puts it into your dispel pool. Obviously useful for either of your casters.

	*'''Wyrdstone Crown:''' 25pts. 4++ Ward but deals -1Ld every time that save rolls is a 1.		*'''Wyrdstone Crown:''' 25pts. 4++ Ward but deals -1Ld every time that save rolls is a 1.
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	*'''Evershifting Map:''' 35pts. Makes the bearer and their unit scouts.		*'''Evershifting Map:''' 35pts. Makes the bearer and their unit scouts.

	*'''Bag O' Sneaky Tricks:''' 25pts. A randomized bag of random crap as determined at the game start.		*'''Bag O' Sneaky Tricks:''' 25pts. A randomized bag of random crap as determined at the game start. The good stuff is good, but it's very unreliable.
	:# Jack shit. Sorry, try again next game.		:# Jack shit. Sorry, try again next game.
	:#Protective Amulet with 6++ Ward.		:#Protective Amulet with 6++ Ward.
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	*'''Hidden Sheath:''' 20pts. Gives a full set of attacks during the first round of combat when in a challenge.		*'''Hidden Sheath:''' 20pts. Gives a full set of attacks during the first round of combat when in a challenge.

	*'''Banner of the Great Wolf:''' 50pts. Gives all mounts +1S and Devastating Charge~~, which is ideal~~ for a mass cavalry army.		*'''Banner of the Great Wolf:''' 50pts. Gives all mounts +1S and Devastating Charge. Ideal for a mass cavalry army. Plop it on a Chieftan and watch your Kheshig tear up the enemy line.

	==Units Analysis==		==Units Analysis==