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1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Notable Changes from 8e */

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Notable Changes from 8e

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	* Scar Vets took a 25% price hike, Old Bloods are slightly more expensive too.		* Scar Vets took a 25% price hike, Old Bloods are slightly more expensive too.
	* Saurus characters are locked out of good rulebook armours.		* Saurus characters are locked out of good rulebook armours.
	* Saurus and Temple Guard took a hit to armour and price respectively.		* <s>Saurus and Temple Guard took a hit to armour and price respectively.</s> EVERYONE GOT THEIR NATURAL ARMOUR BACK THANK GOD.
	* Stegadons are rare, whether they are ancient or not. Combined with force composition rule changes. Lizardmen went from being able to field five to one Stegadon in a 2000pt game.		* Stegadons are rare, whether they are ancient or not. Combined with force composition rule changes. Lizardmen went from being able to field five to one Stegadon in a 2000pt game.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Expansion Magic Items */

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Expansion Magic Items

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	'''''Talismans'''''		'''''Talismans'''''
	*'''Divine Plaque of Protection:''' 30pts. Slann only. This frog and their Temple Guard now have a 5++ Ward. Stack as needed.		*'''Divine Plaque of Protection:''' 30pts. Slann only. This frog and their Temple Guard now have a 5++ Ward. Stack as needed.
	*'''Aura of Quetzl:''' ~~25pts~~. Grants the bearer a 5++ Ward against anything S5 or higher, making this useful for resisting Artillery.		*'''Aura of Quetzl:''' 30pts. Grants the bearer a 4++ Ward against anything S5 or higher, making this useful for resisting Artillery.
	*'''Glyph Necklace:''' 20pts. All melee attacks against the bearer take a -1 to hit.		*'''Glyph Necklace:''' 20pts. All melee attacks against the bearer take a -1 to hit.
	*'''Amulet of Itzl:''' 15pts. Grants a 2++ Ward against the very first wound the bearer suffers.		*'''Amulet of Itzl:''' 15pts. Grants a 2++ Ward against the very first wound the bearer suffers.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Expansion Magic Items */

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Expansion Magic Items

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	*'''Aura of Quetzl:''' 25pts. Grants the bearer a 5++ Ward against anything S5 or higher, making this useful for resisting Artillery.		*'''Aura of Quetzl:''' 25pts. Grants the bearer a 5++ Ward against anything S5 or higher, making this useful for resisting Artillery.
	*'''Glyph Necklace:''' 20pts. All melee attacks against the bearer take a -1 to hit.		*'''Glyph Necklace:''' 20pts. All melee attacks against the bearer take a -1 to hit.
	*'''Amulet of Itzl:''' ~~20pts~~. Grants a 2++ Ward against the very first wound the bearer suffers.		*'''Amulet of Itzl:''' 15pts. Grants a 2++ Ward against the very first wound the bearer suffers.

	'''''Arcane Items'''''		'''''Arcane Items'''''

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Treasures of The Old Ones */

2023-02-23T16:28:59Z

Treasures of The Old Ones

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	===Treasures of The Old Ones===		===Treasures of The Old Ones===
	* '''Blade of Realities:''' ~~50pts~~. No armour or ward saves are allowed against this weapon. Very strong, still very expensive at 50 pts (50% less than 8e).		* '''Blade of Realities:''' 55pts. No armour or ward saves are allowed against this weapon. Very strong, still very expensive at 55 pts (50% less than 8e).
	* '''The Piranha Blade:''' 10 points shaved off 8e, 40pts for Multiple Wounds(D3) and AP(1). A decent choice for a character/monster killer. Considering the bone blade costs 30 points and a biting blade is 5, ensure you need both of the effects of this item or just get the BIG RULEBOOK items. Can no longer be comboed with the next item for [[Matthew Ward\|armour piercing, multiplewound impact hits]].		* '''The Piranha Blade:''' 10 points shaved off 8e, 40pts for Multiple Wounds(D3) and AP(1). A decent choice for a character/monster killer. Considering the bone blade costs 30 points and a biting blade is 5, ensure you need both of the effects of this item or just get the BIG RULEBOOK items. Can no longer be comboed with the next item for [[Matthew Ward\|armour piercing, multiplewound impact hits]].

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Named Characters */

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Named Characters

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	*'''[[Tehenhauin]]:''' 315pts. A giant Sotek worshiping Skink wizard of beasts. He grants fellow skinks the Red Crest Sacred Spawning: +1 Weapon Skill, Devastating Charge, Hatred (Skaven), and Immunity (Poisoned Attacks). The only change here is that his Plaque no longer gives a Ward save, just a 6+ regen to himself and Jungle Swarms. On the one hand, this regen allows his swarms to last longer, but now they're fucked if fire comes into play. Is this worth the massively jacked-up price he got? Hell no. Especially since he can't hop in Ye Olde Holy Party Bus anymore.		*'''[[Tehenhauin]]:''' 315pts. A giant Sotek worshiping Skink wizard of beasts. He grants fellow skinks the Red Crest Sacred Spawning: +1 Weapon Skill, Devastating Charge, Hatred (Skaven), and Immunity (Poisoned Attacks). The only change here is that his Plaque no longer gives a Ward save, just a 6+ regen to himself and Jungle Swarms. On the one hand, this regen allows his swarms to last longer, but now they're fucked if fire comes into play. Is this worth the massively jacked-up price he got? Hell no. Especially since he can't hop in Ye Olde Holy Party Bus anymore.

	*'''[[Chakax the Eternity Warden]]:''' ~~210pts~~. While largely the same, he can no longer instantly break magic items and instead reveals all items and hidden assassins a unit possesses with his Great Weapon that no longer has ASL - not like that matters to a model with such low initiative. Thankfully, his price drop to 210 makes him more palatable.		*'''[[Chakax the Eternity Warden]]:''' 215pts. While largely the same, he can no longer instantly break magic items and instead reveals all items and hidden assassins a unit possesses with his Great Weapon that no longer has ASL - not like that matters to a model with such low initiative. Thankfully, his price drop to 210 makes him more palatable.

	*'''[[Gor-Rok]]:''' This mega-badass now had his price hiked up to 230. A durable and deadly foot hero, given both the Sacred Mark of the Old Ones and the ability to reroll to hit, he's terrifying enough before he rolls to proc Predatory Fighter on a 5+. Then comes his protection, from his 2+, as he maintains a 4+ Natural Armour and his Shield adds +2 to the saves, but then you read that he's immune to KB and forces enemies to reroll to wound him - making him ded'ard. He also discourages charging, as anyone that does so must take a dangerous terrain check at -1. Simply put, he is here to wreck all the face and draw all the hate.		*'''[[Gor-Rok]]:''' This mega-badass now had his price hiked up to 230. A durable and deadly foot hero, given both the Sacred Mark of the Old Ones and the ability to reroll to hit, he's terrifying enough before he rolls to proc Predatory Fighter on a 5+. Then comes his protection, from his 2+, as he maintains a 4+ Natural Armour and his Shield adds +2 to the saves, but then you read that he's immune to KB and forces enemies to reroll to wound him - making him ded'ard. He also discourages charging, as anyone that does so must take a dangerous terrain check at -1. Simply put, he is here to wreck all the face and draw all the hate.
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	*'''[[Oxyotl]]:''' 90pts. The legendary chameleon skink now hates Daemons of Chaos (why only melee?) but loses out on any saves. Despite Chaos Daemons being immune to Poisoned, he is a potent hero killer. If allowed to stay still(feigned flight doesn't count), He gets to reroll wounds with his 3 sniper-shot Golden Blowpipe, easy to take out a wizard. He is also flat-out your cheapest hero, having his price slashed in half to 90 points.		*'''[[Oxyotl]]:''' 90pts. The legendary chameleon skink now hates Daemons of Chaos (why only melee?) but loses out on any saves. Despite Chaos Daemons being immune to Poisoned, he is a potent hero killer. If allowed to stay still(feigned flight doesn't count), He gets to reroll wounds with his 3 sniper-shot Golden Blowpipe, easy to take out a wizard. He is also flat-out your cheapest hero, having his price slashed in half to 90 points.

	* '''[[Inxi-Huinzi]]:''' ~~75pts~~. He is a Skink riding an upgraded Cold One. He is a special Hero for 120 pts. He offers poison, Fear, heavier armour than the typical Skink and is armed with an array of poison darts. He may throw these darts if he charges or is charged since they're Quick to Fire. His Horned One is also not vulnerable to Stupidity. While this sounds good, this does not confer to other packs, meaning that things might still turn out poorly for you.		* '''[[Inxi-Huinzi]]:''' 80pts. He is a Skink riding an upgraded Cold One. He is a special Hero for 120 pts. He offers poison, Fear, heavier armour than the typical Skink and is armed with an array of poison darts. He may throw these darts if he charges or is charged since they're Quick to Fire. His Horned One is also not vulnerable to Stupidity. While this sounds good, this does not confer to other packs, meaning that things might still turn out poorly for you.

	* '''[[Lotl-Boltl]]:''' 130pts. a Saurus Scar-Veteran with Fear on the charge, and give +1 bonus to combat resolution. He's pretty much a support hero who helps a unit of Saurus win in the first round of combat.		* '''[[Lotl-Boltl]]:''' 130pts. a Saurus Scar-Veteran with Fear on the charge, and give +1 bonus to combat resolution. He's pretty much a support hero who helps a unit of Saurus win in the first round of combat.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Generic Characters */

2023-02-23T16:27:24Z

Generic Characters

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	====Generic Characters====		====Generic Characters====
	* '''[[Slann]] Mage-Priest:''' The big Super wizard toad on floating mobility scooter. Pretty much unchanged from 8th edition, this guy remains the badass caster he always was. Can any pick core lores + High and the ever-valuable Disciplines of the Old Ones. In bigger games, they can trade spells with other Slann in case you don't have a nearby Skink priest to fiddle with.		* '''[[Slann]] Mage-Priest:''' The big Super wizard toad on floating mobility scooter. Pretty much unchanged from 8th edition, this guy remains the badass caster he always was. Can any pick core lores + High and the ever-valuable Disciplines of the Old Ones can be your BSB but still has its full 100 points allowance for diplins and 100 points for items in addition to a 50-point banner. In bigger games, they can trade spells with other Slann in case you don't have a nearby Skink priest to fiddle with.

	* '''Saurus Oldblood:''' Your Big generic melee lord option. He is the only one that can mount a Carnosaur. He got a price hike and can no longer take some of the magic items that made him great, though he retains the 4+ natural armor that made Saurus so badass.		* '''Saurus Oldblood:''' Your Big generic melee lord option. He is the only one that can mount a Carnosaur. He got a price hike and can no longer take some of the magic items that made him great, though he retains the 4+ natural armor that made Saurus so badass.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Special Units */

2023-02-23T16:19:32Z

Special Units

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	===Special Units===		===Special Units===
	* '''Temple Guard:''' Saurus with +1 WS, I, LD, a 3+ save, and ~~Halberds~~. They get better when Bunkering for a Slann, protecting him in the second rank and gaining Immunity (Psychology)~~, and are stubborn~~. These big guys are now 17 points, and they now lose any option for magical weapons.		* '''Temple Guard:''' Saurus with +1 WS, I, LD, a 3+ save, Halberds and are stubborn. They get better when Bunkering for a Slann, protecting him in the second rank and gaining Immunity (Psychology). These big guys are now 17 points, and they now lose any option for magical weapons.

	* '''Cold One Riders:''' ~~Less armour~~ Temple Guard riding a Saurus Warrior with stupidity. 24 points ~~and get~~ spears as default. They occasionally lose control, but they can really [[rip and tear]]. They are designed to rush into enemies before the rest of the army. ~~COC excel~~ when serving as a delivery system for one or several Scar Veterans or Old Bloods armed to the teeth with magic weapons. They are solid enough to hit hard soak up damage and mounted Saurus characters are terrifying. They also provide a flanking unit that can withstand damage.		* '''Cold One Riders:''' Temple Guard riding a Saurus Warrior with stupidity. 26 points with spears as default. They occasionally lose control, but they can really [[rip and tear]]. They are designed to rush into enemies before the rest of the army. COR excels when serving as a delivery system for one or several Scar Veterans or Old Bloods armed to the teeth with magic weapons. They are solid enough to hit hard and soak up damage, and mounted Saurus characters are terrifying. They also provide a flanking unit that can withstand damage.

	*'''Horned One Rider:''' Skinks that ride Horned Ones. They are a controllable, ~~19ppm cheap~~ fast cavalry. They are not as good of a fighter as Cold One Riders (They still have attacks from the Horned One), but they are better at flanking. Cold Ones are faster infantry while Horned Ones are proper ~~calvary~~.		*'''Horned One Rider:''' Skinks that ride Horned Ones. They are a controllable, 21ppm fast cavalry. They are not as good of a fighter as Cold One Riders (They still have attacks from the Horned One), but they are better at flanking. Cold Ones are faster infantry, while Horned Ones are proper all-purpose cavalry.

	* '''Kroxigors:''' Your Big Alligator with a Sledgehammer, a Min size unit will ~~Dealing~~ 3 S7-6 attacks plus more from Predatory Fighters. Knights will feel it when they get flanked by them~~. I got a 3 pt price reduction but suffered the same save cut as all lizardmen~~.		* '''Kroxigors:''' Your Big Alligator with a Sledgehammer, a Min size unit, will Deal 3 S7-6 attacks plus more from Predatory Fighters. Knights will feel it when they get flanked by them.

	* '''Chameleon Skinks:''' Extra stealthy and accurate Skink Blowpipe scouts, getting +1 to hit with Missles and -2 to be hit back. With Skinks getting shortbows, these guys aren't as mandatory for shooting things, though their price drop makes them welcome support.		* '''Chameleon Skinks:''' Extra stealthy and accurate Skink Blowpipe scouts, getting +1 to hit with Missles and -2 to be hit back. With Skinks getting shortbows, these guys aren't as mandatory for shooting things, though their price drop makes them welcome support.

	* '''Terradon Riders:''' Fly(9) Skink bombers. Slightly cheaper than before ~~and now count as plain cavalry~~. They will do Flyby Missle harassing. Excellent for harassment tactics: hunting Warmachine crews, isolated models, and skirmishers. Their ability to drop rocks is also handy for softening up something tough before the Saurus or TG can deal the real damage. ~~the~~ choice between default poison javelins or ~~upgrade~~ to their special Fireleech Bolas depends on whether the target takes Poisoned or ~~fire~~ Attacks worse. (fire against Animated constructs and low armored animals, poison for monsters, and everything else).		* '''Terradon Riders:''' Fly(9) Skink bombers. Flying Fast Cavalry is now Slightly cheaper than before. They will do Flyby Missle harassing. Excellent for harassment tactics: hunting Warmachine crews, isolated models, and skirmishers. Their ability to drop rocks is also handy for softening up something tough before the Saurus or TG can deal the real damage. The choice between default poison javelins or swap to their special Fireleech Bolas depends on whether the target takes Poisoned or Flaming Attacks worse. (fire against Animated constructs and low armored animals, poison for monsters and everything else).

	* '''Ripperdactyl Riders:''' Melee version of the Terradon. Same as above, 8 points cheaper and now count as cavalry. Ripperdactyl ~~has~~ 2 attacks + Frenzy, S4, AP(1), Killing Blow, and Toad Rage lets you pick an enemy for each Ripperdactyl unit you bring, and they get even more attacks and reroll hits against them. Not only can they harass, but they rip apart archers.		* '''Ripperdactyl Riders:''' Melee version of the Terradon. Same as above, 8 points cheaper and now count as cavalry. The killing power comes from the Ripperdactyl mount, having 2 attacks + Frenzy, S4, AP(1), Killing Blow, and Toad Rage lets you pick an enemy for each Ripperdactyl unit you bring, and they get even more attacks and reroll hits against them. Not only can they harass, but they rip apart archers. Thier job is to pick soft targets and rocket at them before anyone can stop them like a pitbull in an orphanage. Otherwise, they are glass cannons.

	* '''Razordon Hunting Pack:''' Act as living artillery, more mobile and Defend themselves better than most warmachines. Razordons Shoot barbs like Cannon Grapeshots can fire on the move and reroll the artillery dice when charged. Effectively the same as before, though the Razors are 5 points cheaper than before at 60 points per unit. Razordon takes the roll of tuning units that think they can shield-wall through blowdarts into pincushions.		* '''Razordon Hunting Pack:''' Act as living artillery, more mobile and Defend themselves better than most warmachines. Razordons Shoot barbs like Cannon Grapeshots can fire on the move and reroll the artillery dice when charged. Effectively the same as before, though the Razors are 5 points cheaper than before at 60 points per unit. Razordon takes the roll of tuning units that think they can shield-wall through blowdarts into pincushions.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Core Units */

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Core Units

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	===Core Units===		===Core Units===
	* '''Saurus Warriors:''' Remain the molasses-slow hard-hitting fuckers that your army needs to build around with S/T 4 with 2 attacks but with Initiative 1, they have the slowest reaction time in-game~~. What hurts is that their saves are now 5+ in melee due to the neigh-universal save drop. Although, with the new blessed spawning of Quetzl, you can get it back to 4+ for a point~~. At the end of a fight, Saurus Warriors will either smash straight through the enemy lines, end up in slow grinding combat that leaves either half a unit of Saurus or a few dazed and bloodstained enemies left, ready to be swept away by the rest of your army.		* '''Saurus Warriors:''' Remain the molasses-slow hard-hitting fuckers that your army needs to build around with S/T 4 with 2 attacks, 4+ armour, but with Initiative 1, they have the slowest reaction time in-game. At the end of a fight, Saurus Warriors will either smash straight through the enemy lines, end up in slow grinding combat that leaves either half a unit of Saurus or a few dazed and bloodstained enemies left, ready to be swept away by the rest of your army.

	* '''Skink Cohort:''' Your cheap chaff, with Initiative 4 and BS of 3 for what they are. Despite weak (native) Leadership and terrible Toughness(T2), Skinks can be surprisingly effective against non-elite infantry and cavalry for one turn, in part thanks to their relatively high Initiative. Their prices are now cut in half, making Skink Spam a very affordable matter though they lose the poisoned javelins as a default deal. They also have a choice in loadouts ~~with~~ either buying back the javelins, getting spears, or trading off their shields to go full-archery with poison shortbows.		* '''Skink Cohort:''' Your cheap chaff, with Initiative 4 and BS of 3 for what they are. Despite weak (native) Leadership and terrible Toughness(T2), Skinks can be surprisingly effective against non-elite infantry and cavalry for one turn, in part thanks to their relatively high Initiative. Their prices are now cut in half, making Skink Spam a very affordable matter though they lose the poisoned javelins as a default deal. They also have a choice in loadouts, either buying back the javelins, getting spears, or trading off their shields to go full-archery with poison shortbows.

	* '''Skink Skirmishers:''' Keep their prices, keep their rules. Skinks are geared with blowpipes, poison shortbows, or poison javelins and shields. Both have pros and cons- Shortbows have better range and multiattack if allowed to stay still. Pipes are mobile, and always having multiple poisoned shots ~~are~~ devastating. At the same time, javelins are quick to fire, which significantly bolsters the unit's mobility and threat range, and the shield affords them a much appreciated defensive bonus. Skinks can be great for kiting enemy units and being an all-around thorn in their sides. Put simply, if the Skink Skirmishers manage to inflict wounds on any unit, The dilemma will compel your opponent to either shoot at it, commit a unit to charge it, or try to ignore the damage they're doing. The first option is terrible because damage spells and shooting units are overkill against Skink units that size, making it a waste of resources when other, more dangerous units are around. The second option is ill-advised because most close combat units are significantly more costly than Skinks and are better suited to stopping/slowing your Saurus bricks from smashing through the battlefield. This worsens if the Skinks can shoot at the unit before the melee and inflict wounds. However, with cheap units like Skaven Clanrats, this is less of an issue, except that large Clanrat units shouldn't chase down half a dozen Skinks, and no one fields those kinds of units with an equivalent cost to your Skinks. Elite units further aggravate the problem because any damage directed at the Skinks is pointless. Most elite infantry units run from 12-16 points, and heavy cavalry or monstrous infantry are even more expensive, which means that more than 2 ranged casualties are a lose-lose tradeoff at best. ~~As some players do,~~ Ignoring the Skinks is even more stupid because ~~that leaves them free~~ to pick off other skirmishers, ~~violate~~ war machine crews, and chip off wounds from other critical units or characters.		* '''Skink Skirmishers:''' Keep their prices, keep their rules. Skinks are geared with blowpipes, poison shortbows, or poison javelins and shields. Both have pros and cons- Shortbows have better range and multiattack if allowed to stay still. Pipes are mobile, and always having multiple poisoned shots is devastating. At the same time, javelins are quick to fire, which significantly bolsters the unit's mobility and threat range, and the shield affords them a much-appreciated defensive bonus. Skinks can be great for kiting enemy units and being an all-around thorn in their sides. Put simply, if the Skink Skirmishers manage to inflict wounds on any unit, The dilemma will compel your opponent to either shoot at it, commit a unit to charge it, or try to ignore the damage they're doing. The first option is terrible because damage spells and shooting units are overkill against Skink units that size, making it a waste of resources when other, more dangerous units are around. The second option is ill-advised because most close combat units are significantly more costly than Skinks and are better suited to stopping/slowing your Saurus bricks from smashing through the battlefield. This worsens if the Skinks can shoot at the unit before the melee and inflict wounds. However, with cheap units like Skaven Clanrats, this is less of an issue, except that large Clanrat units shouldn't chase down half a dozen Skinks, and no one fields those kinds of units with an equivalent cost to your Skinks. Elite units further aggravate the problem because any damage directed at the Skinks is pointless. Most elite infantry units run from 12-16 points, and heavy cavalry or monstrous infantry are even more expensive, which means that more than 2 ranged casualties are a lose-lose tradeoff at best. Ignoring the Skinks is even more stupid as some players do because it frees the skinks to pick off other skirmishers, violating war machine crews, and chip off wounds from other critical units or characters.
	**In summary, Skink Skirmishers are suicide units that force bad tradeoffs for the enemy. Skinks die when they are attacked, but it's a lose-lose situation, and in the broader context of the battle, this leads the opponent to be inefficient with his units. Skink spamming is surprisingly viable at competitive levels since you can flood the battlefield in cheap, fast-moving little units with an array of poisoned weapons redirecting, shooting, and irritating your opponent's units to a not-quite-metaphorical death and beautifully supporting your heavy-hitting saurus cowboys.		**In summary, Skink Skirmishers are suicide units that force bad tradeoffs for the enemy. Skinks die when they are attacked, but it's a lose-lose situation, and in the broader context of the battle, this leads the opponent to be inefficient with his units. Skink spamming is surprisingly viable at competitive levels since you can flood the battlefield in cheap, fast-moving little units with an array of poisoned weapons redirecting, shooting, and irritating your opponent's units to a not-quite-metaphorical death and beautifully supporting your heavy-hitting saurus cowboys.

	* '''Jungle Swarms:''' Pricing and stat have been fixed, so to be reasonable 6 wounds and 6 attacks for ~~30points~~ per swarm make them a decent pack for screening, and Poisoned Attacks give them something resembling a fighting chance against basic troops.		* '''Jungle Swarms:''' Pricing and stat have been fixed, so to be reasonable 6 wounds and 6 attacks for 30 points per swarm make them a decent pack for screening, and Poisoned Attacks give them something resembling a fighting chance against basic troops.

	===Special Units===		===Special Units===