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1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Pros */

2023-03-01T00:36:03Z

Pros

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	* Have many sources of Ice attacks, so who cares that your initiative 2.		* Have many sources of Ice attacks, so who cares that your initiative 2.
	* Gnoblars in front now grant Ogres Hard Cover.		* Gnoblars in front now grant Ogres Hard Cover.
			* monstrous Calvary changes make multi rank mornfang affective with less wasted attacks

	===Cons===		===Cons===

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Expansion Magic Items */

2023-02-23T21:20:21Z

Expansion Magic Items

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	'''''Weapons'''''		'''''Weapons'''''
	*'''The Tenderiser:''' 30pts. This is a great weapon with Multiple Wounds (D3), which might as well see use considering how slow your army is.		*'''The Tenderiser:''' 30pts. This is a great weapon with Multiple Wounds (D3), which might as well see use considering how slow your army is.
	*'''Skullplucker:''' 10pts. Confers Killing Blow, which is okay.

	'''''Armour'''''		'''''Armour'''''
	*'''Bullgut:''' 15pts. Light armour. Grants Impact Hits (D3) with Ap(1), making you just as strong if not stronger.		*'''Bullgut:''' 15pts. Light armour. Grants Impact Hits (D3) with Ap(1), making you just as strong if not stronger.
			*'''Skullplucker:''' 10pts. Ironfist. Confers Killing Blow, which is okay.

	'''''Talismans'''''		'''''Talismans'''''

1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Pros */

2022-08-27T20:03:42Z

Pros

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	* Regen used with ward saves and a single flaming wound doesn't disable regen for the whole unit for the whole phase. Trollguts is an even stronger spell.		* Regen used with ward saves and a single flaming wound doesn't disable regen for the whole unit for the whole phase. Trollguts is an even stronger spell.
	* Special characters are MUCH cheaper.		* Special characters are MUCH cheaper.
			* Changes to charge distance mean you're very likely to get the charge vs infantry.
	* With unit strength returning, it is much easier for you to be Steadfast. A unit of 6 bulls can often kill enough models in a 25 man unit of infantry to get the unit strength advantage.		* With unit strength returning, it is much easier for you to be Steadfast. A unit of 6 bulls can often kill enough models in a 25 man unit of infantry to get the unit strength advantage.
	** Also, to offset the high price and low model count, Your Mournfangs, Rhinoxes, and other big monsters have almost double the unit Strength than units of their troop type would normally have. (more likely to get that Steadfast and that additional +1 in combat resolution).		** Also, to offset the high price and low model count, Your Mournfangs, Rhinoxes, and other big monsters have almost double the unit Strength than units of their troop type would normally have. (more likely to get that Steadfast and that additional +1 in combat resolution).

1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Cons */

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Cons

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	* A unit cannot be longer than it is wide, so you can't have a 3 wide 4 or 5 deep units of bulls anymore.		* A unit cannot be longer than it is wide, so you can't have a 3 wide 4 or 5 deep units of bulls anymore.
	* Characters AND Command Group must be in the front rank, no unchallengeable shenanigans. Command Group will get displaced to back ranks if there is no room.		* Characters AND Command Group must be in the front rank, no unchallengeable shenanigans. Command Group will get displaced to back ranks if there is no room.
	* Monstrous infantry and cavalry lost stomp ~~b̶u̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶u̶n̶i̶t̶s̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶ ̶c̶h̶e̶a̶p̶e̶r̶ Iron Guts and Leadbealchers are cheaper~~.		* Monstrous infantry and cavalry lost stomp.
	* Game-wide increase in BS-based missile potency means your bulls/guts are at greater risk from mass S3/S4 shooting.		* Game-wide increase in BS-based missile potency means your bulls/guts are at greater risk from mass S3/S4 shooting.
	* Ironfist changes mean they're useless against shooting, and considering base game shields became double effective against shooting. Your bulls are going to eat it before getting into combat.		* Ironfist changes mean they're useless against shooting, and considering base game shields became double effective against shooting. Your bulls are going to eat it before getting into combat.

1d4chan>Lordfapington69: /* Notable Changes from 8th Edition */

2022-08-21T09:58:44Z

Notable Changes from 8th Edition

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	* Monstrous infantry and cavalry lost stomp b̶u̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶u̶n̶i̶t̶s̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶ ̶c̶h̶e̶a̶p̶e̶r̶ Iron Guts and Leadbealchers are cheaper.		* Monstrous infantry and cavalry lost stomp b̶u̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶u̶n̶i̶t̶s̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶ ̶c̶h̶e̶a̶p̶e̶r̶ Iron Guts and Leadbealchers are cheaper.
	* Game-wide increase in BS-based missile potency means your bulls/guts are at greater risk from mass S3/S4 shooting.		* Game-wide increase in BS-based missile potency means your bulls/guts are at greater risk from mass S3/S4 shooting.
			* Ironfist changes mean they're useless against shooting, and considering base game shields became double effective against shooting. Your bulls are going to eat it before getting into combat.
	* All cavalry gained impact hits, which does nothing for you since Mournfang already had it.		* All cavalry gained impact hits, which does nothing for you since Mournfang already had it.
	* Spears strike with +1 S & I when charged by monstrous infantry. Not even gnoblars benefit from this.		* Spears strike with +1 S & I when charged by monstrous infantry. Not even gnoblars benefit from this.

1d4chan>DK109: Tactics edit

2022-03-25T11:09:38Z

Tactics edit

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	'''VS Dwarves:''' You have to get into combat now. Every turn out of CC is dead ogres from all those war machines. The other option is to get anything that moves fast enough to hunt said war machines down.		'''VS Dwarves:''' You have to get into combat now. Every turn out of CC is dead ogres from all those war machines. The other option is to get anything that moves fast enough to hunt said war machines down.

	'''VS Chaos Dwarfs:''' Similar to their western kin, but with a few twists. Their artillery is even scarier due to the fact that just about all of it uses templates AND has multiple wounds, making it particularly good at taking down ogres, and blunderbusses can make for a very scary stand-and-shoot reaction to a charge. If up against a shooting-heavy army, follow the same strategy as for fighting Dwarves - tuck your head down, move directly forward, and get into combat as fast as possible. If your opponent instead has an army geared mostly for close combat, beware that Chaos Dwarfs excel at holding an enemy in place and grinding them down; you will be better than them on the charge, but will probably see the tables turn against you on subsequent rounds if you don't break the enemy. Try to be selective about your combats and only charge where you stand a decent chance of crippling or wiping out the enemy in a single round of combat.		'''VS Chaos Dwarfs:''' Similar to their western kin, but with a few twists. Their artillery is even scarier due to the fact that just about all of it uses templates AND has multiple wounds, making it particularly good at taking down ogres, and blunderbusses can make for a very scary stand-and-shoot reaction to a charge. If up against a shooting-heavy army, follow the same strategy as for fighting Dwarves - tuck your head down, move directly forward, and get into combat as fast as possible. If your opponent instead has an army geared mostly for close combat, beware that Chaos Dwarfs excel at holding an enemy in place and grinding them down; you will be better than them on the charge, but will probably see the tables turn against you on subsequent rounds if you don't break the enemy. Try to be selective about your combats and only charge where you stand a decent chance of crippling or wiping out the enemy in a single round of combat. Ash Storm is the spell to watch out for from their spellcasters - even after Armies Project toned it down somewhat, it is still by far the best spell in the Chaos Dwarfs' repertoire and its ability to prevent a unit from charging and forcing dangerous terrain tests can be exceedingly nasty for a mobile army like ogres.

	'''VS Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings:''' You need to take down those wizards, the sooner, the better as they will most likely be more potent than your own and will make the bones too numerous to deal with. Secondly, you need to win combat fast. The longer the fight, the better for the undead, as even zombies can kill ogres given enough time.		'''VS Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings:''' You need to take down those wizards, the sooner, the better as they will most likely be more potent than your own and will make the bones too numerous to deal with. Secondly, you need to win combat fast. The longer the fight, the better for the undead, as even zombies can kill ogres given enough time.
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	'''VS Skaven:''' Kill the general and watch them fall apart (this can be tricky if the general continues to bounce around the field, so remember always to dispel skitterleap. Also, Cracks, Call and Globe can wreak havoc in your lines), take care around the weapons teams and war machines, they are inaccurate to the point of crazy but if they do roll well they can ruin your day in a hurry. Also, beware of the Doomwheel. Their Warp Lightning Cannon is your death, as it cannot be stopped like other cannonballs.		'''VS Skaven:''' Kill the general and watch them fall apart (this can be tricky if the general continues to bounce around the field, so remember always to dispel skitterleap. Also, Cracks, Call and Globe can wreak havoc in your lines), take care around the weapons teams and war machines, they are inaccurate to the point of crazy but if they do roll well they can ruin your day in a hurry. Also, beware of the Doomwheel. Their Warp Lightning Cannon is your death, as it cannot be stopped like other cannonballs.

	'''VS Bretonnia:''' One of the more difficult matchups for the ogres - they, like you, will want to get the charge, but they have two more points of movement plus swiftstride to make it happen, which puts you at a significant disadvantage. This robs you of one of your more potent tools - your impact hits - and you probably won't have the numbers to easily tarpit them or set traps to get flank charges in. You do, however, have a few tricks up your sleeve that you can lean on to try and get an edge. You can potentially vastly outstrip Bretonnians in the shooting game, especially if you load up on Leadbelchers, Scraplaunchers, pistol-armed Maneaters, and Ironblasters, all of which have the potential to really wreck a knight's day. Anything with Ice Attacks that can slow a knight bus down is also a big asset, assuming you have a way to hit them before they hit you (the Thundertusk is invaluable here) - it doesn't take too many dead knights to blunt a lance charge. ~~Finally, beware~~ of Spiteful Glance - with your low initiative across the board, this spell can very quickly rob you of an expensive model if you let a damsel get in range.		'''VS Bretonnia:''' One of the more difficult matchups for the ogres - they, like you, will want to get the charge, but they have two more points of movement plus swiftstride to make it happen, which puts you at a significant disadvantage. This robs you of one of your more potent tools - your impact hits - and you probably won't have the numbers to easily tarpit them or set traps to get flank charges in. You do, however, have a few tricks up your sleeve that you can lean on to try and get an edge. You can potentially vastly outstrip Bretonnians in the shooting game, especially if you load up on Leadbelchers, Scraplaunchers, pistol-armed Maneaters, and Ironblasters, all of which have the potential to really wreck a knight's day. Anything with Ice Attacks that can slow a knight bus down is also a big asset, assuming you have a way to hit them before they hit you (the Thundertusk is invaluable here) - it doesn't take too many dead knights to blunt a lance charge. Beware of Spiteful Glance - with your low initiative across the board, this spell can very quickly rob you of an expensive model if you let a damsel get in range. Ultimately, this matchup will probably be won or lost in the movement phase and you will need to carefully mind your distances and manoeuvring if you don't want to wind up skewered on the end of a lance. Try and bait some long-bomb charges out of the knights - the sweet spot is 17/18" away, where they have a roughly 52%/36% chance of a successful charge. They'll have to decide if they want to gamble on Lady Luck and potentially fail, allowing you to launch a charge of your own, or move close enough that you can attempt a long-charge of your own. If you can apply a bit of pressure via shooting, you can force your opponent into bad decisions and take advantage on your subsequent turn.

	==See Also==		==See Also==

1d4chan>DK109 at 11:00, 25 March 2022

2022-03-25T11:00:04Z

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	'''VS Dwarves:''' You have to get into combat now. Every turn out of CC is dead ogres from all those war machines. The other option is to get anything that moves fast enough to hunt said war machines down.		'''VS Dwarves:''' You have to get into combat now. Every turn out of CC is dead ogres from all those war machines. The other option is to get anything that moves fast enough to hunt said war machines down.

	'''VS ~~Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings~~:''' ~~you need~~ to ~~take down those wizards~~, the ~~sooner~~, ~~the better as they will most likely be more potent than your own~~ and ~~will~~ make ~~the bones too numerous~~ to ~~deal with~~. ~~Secondly~~, ~~you need to win~~ combat fast. ~~The longer~~ the ~~fight~~, the ~~better for~~ the ~~undead, as even zombies can kill ogres given enough time~~.		'''VS Chaos Dwarfs:''' Similar to their western kin, but with a few twists. Their artillery is even scarier due to the fact that just about all of it uses templates AND has multiple wounds, making it particularly good at taking down ogres, and blunderbusses can make for a very scary stand-and-shoot reaction to a charge. If up against a shooting-heavy army, follow the same strategy as for fighting Dwarves - tuck your head down, move directly forward, and get into combat as fast as possible. If your opponent instead has an army geared mostly for close combat, beware that Chaos Dwarfs excel at holding an enemy in place and grinding them down; you will be better than them on the charge, but will probably see the tables turn against you on subsequent rounds if you don't break the enemy. Try to be selective about your combats and only charge where you stand a decent chance of crippling or wiping out the enemy in a single round of combat.

	'''VS Skaven:''' ~~kill~~ the general and watch them fall apart (this can be tricky if the general continues to bounce around the field, so remember always to dispel skitterleap. Also, Cracks, Call and Globe can wreak havoc in your lines), take care around the weapons teams and war machines, they are inaccurate to the point of crazy but if they do roll well they can ruin your day in a hurry. Also, beware of the Doomwheel. Their Warp Lightning Cannon is your death, as it cannot be stopped like other cannonballs.		'''VS Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings:''' You need to take down those wizards, the sooner, the better as they will most likely be more potent than your own and will make the bones too numerous to deal with. Secondly, you need to win combat fast. The longer the fight, the better for the undead, as even zombies can kill ogres given enough time.

			'''VS Skaven:''' Kill the general and watch them fall apart (this can be tricky if the general continues to bounce around the field, so remember always to dispel skitterleap. Also, Cracks, Call and Globe can wreak havoc in your lines), take care around the weapons teams and war machines, they are inaccurate to the point of crazy but if they do roll well they can ruin your day in a hurry. Also, beware of the Doomwheel. Their Warp Lightning Cannon is your death, as it cannot be stopped like other cannonballs.

			'''VS Bretonnia:''' One of the more difficult matchups for the ogres - they, like you, will want to get the charge, but they have two more points of movement plus swiftstride to make it happen, which puts you at a significant disadvantage. This robs you of one of your more potent tools - your impact hits - and you probably won't have the numbers to easily tarpit them or set traps to get flank charges in. You do, however, have a few tricks up your sleeve that you can lean on to try and get an edge. You can potentially vastly outstrip Bretonnians in the shooting game, especially if you load up on Leadbelchers, Scraplaunchers, pistol-armed Maneaters, and Ironblasters, all of which have the potential to really wreck a knight's day. Anything with Ice Attacks that can slow a knight bus down is also a big asset, assuming you have a way to hit them before they hit you (the Thundertusk is invaluable here) - it doesn't take too many dead knights to blunt a lance charge. Finally, beware of Spiteful Glance - with your low initiative across the board, this spell can very quickly rob you of an expensive model if you let a damsel get in range.

	==See Also==		==See Also==

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* VS */

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	===VS===		===VS===
	'''VS Dwarves:''' You have to get into combat now~~, every~~ turn out of CC is dead ogres from all those war machines. The other option is to get anything that moves fast enough to go hunt said war machines down.		'''VS Dwarves:''' You have to get into combat now. Every turn out of CC is dead ogres from all those war machines. The other option is to get anything that moves fast enough to hunt said war machines down.

	'''VS Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings:''' you need to take down those wizards, the sooner, the better as they will most likely be more ~~powerful~~ than your own and will make the bones too numerous to deal with. Secondly, you need to win combat fast~~, the~~ longer the fight, the better for the undead, as even zombies can kill ogres given enough time.		'''VS Vampire Counts/Tomb Kings:''' you need to take down those wizards, the sooner, the better as they will most likely be more potent than your own and will make the bones too numerous to deal with. Secondly, you need to win combat fast. The longer the fight, the better for the undead, as even zombies can kill ogres given enough time.

	'''VS Skaven:''' kill the general and watch them fall apart (this can be tricky if the general continues to bounce around the field, so remember to ~~always~~ dispel skitterleap. Also, Cracks, Call and Globe can wreak havoc in your lines), ~~just~~ take care around the weapons teams and war machines, they are inaccurate to the point of crazy but if they do roll well they can ruin your day in a hurry. Also, beware of the Doomwheel. Their Warp Lightning Cannon is your death, as it cannot be stopped like other cannonballs.		'''VS Skaven:''' kill the general and watch them fall apart (this can be tricky if the general continues to bounce around the field, so remember always to dispel skitterleap. Also, Cracks, Call and Globe can wreak havoc in your lines), take care around the weapons teams and war machines, they are inaccurate to the point of crazy but if they do roll well they can ruin your day in a hurry. Also, beware of the Doomwheel. Their Warp Lightning Cannon is your death, as it cannot be stopped like other cannonballs.

	==See Also==		==See Also==