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	** Warpfire Projectors: Fires as a single fire thrower, S5, Flaming Attacks, Multiple Wounds (D3), Move or Fire, Quick to Fire, Warpstone Weapon, Wildly Off-target (inflicts D6 hits on the closest friendly unit within 12" if misfires).		** Warpfire Projectors: Fires as a single fire thrower, S5, Flaming Attacks, Multiple Wounds (D3), Move or Fire, Quick to Fire, Warpstone Weapon, Wildly Off-target (inflicts D6 hits on the closest friendly unit within 12" if misfires).

	* '''Plagueclaw Catapult: (Clan Pestilens)''' Decent but generally outshined by the Warp Lightning Cannon. S2 hits with no armor ~~saves~~ allowed is a decent pie plate to throw onto a large horde of (insert tarpit here). It also causes a panic test on unsaved wounds. Take if you want a clan pestilens themed army otherwise not a must-have.		* '''Plagueclaw Catapult: (Clan Pestilens)''' Decent but generally outshined by the Warp Lightning Cannon. S2 hits with no armor save allowed is a decent pie plate to throw onto a large horde of (insert tarpit here). It also causes a panic test on unsaved wounds. Take if you want a clan pestilens-themed army; otherwise not a must-have.

	* '''Warp Lightning Cannon: (Clan Skryre)''' Low risk (in the skaven sense of the word), low price, high reward, and safe choice for rares. ~~Its~~ a cannon with a blast template at the end of it. The variable strength of the shot is chosen by the misfire dice which is [[Dwarf Fortress\|FUN*]].. Very reliable Warmachine in an army who enjoys blowing themselves up.		* '''Warp Lightning Cannon: (Clan Skryre)''' Low risk (in the skaven sense of the word), low price, high reward, and safe choice for rares. It's a cannon with a blast template at the end of it. The variable strength of the shot is chosen by the misfire dice, which is [[Dwarf Fortress\|FUN*]].. Very reliable Warmachine in an army who enjoys blowing themselves up.

	* '''[[DOOMWHEELS\|DOOMWHEEL]]: (Clan Skryre)''' ~~Man oh man, has this unit got shafted~~. ~~First~~ of ~~all~~, ~~went from 2D6 attacks~~ per turn to ~~[[fail\|1]]~~ and ~~went from~~ S6 ~~to S5. Additionally, its mini warplightning cannons went from 18"~~, ~~3 shots~~, ~~D6 wounds to 12", D3 shots and D3 wounds~~. ~~You know what you got in exchange for this?~~ +1 Grinding ~~attack (with the reduced S5 from the change in profile) and ignore armor saves on the cannons~~. ~~Oh and lastly you're paying 10pts more for~~ it~~, go fuck yourself~~.		* '''[[DOOMWHEELS\|DOOMWHEEL]]: (Clan Skryre)''' 175 pts. A bit of a fun and random unit ( moves 3d6, fires off 3 lightning bolts per turn at the nearest unit, friendly or enemy, hits like a ton of bricks, has a weird and fun little misfire chart, as well as the chance to go spinning out of control if it takes a wound). It will struggle against extremely high-volume S5 and S6 attacks, but low-number, heavily armored units are pretty much fucked if it charges them. Even gained +1 to its Grinding attacks. As such, enemy war machines will want to shoot at it. The price went up by 25 points.
	~~Its still random movement 3D6 with a fun misfire table and cannons that automatically shoot anything (friend or foe) within range~~.

	==Building Your Army==		==Building Your Army==

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Special Units

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	** '''Alternate Suggestion:''' Flanking squads of 10 units with poison and slings can melt any light-armored army. 20 shots per unit will shred most things. They're lethal against DoC, other Skaven, all flavors of Elves, you name it.		** '''Alternate Suggestion:''' Flanking squads of 10 units with poison and slings can melt any light-armored army. 20 shots per unit will shred most things. They're lethal against DoC, other Skaven, all flavors of Elves, you name it.

	* '''Plague Censer Bearers: (Clan Pestilens)''' At first glance; expensive for what they are but their plague censor special rule makes them useful for severely shrinking hordes down to size and what's better is that they can be fielded in small groups as speed bumps or charge deterrents~~. They don't have Strength in Numbers, so don't go big and keep them close enough to a leader~~.		* '''Plague Censer Bearers: (Clan Pestilens)''' At first glance, expensive for what they are, but their plague censor special rule makes them useful for severely shrinking hordes down to size, and what's better is that they can be fielded in small groups as speed bumps or charge deterrents.

	*'''Plague Rats: (Clan Pestilens)''' A slightly more expensive swarm of rats with poison, making them more dangerous when tarpiting lightly armour foe, especially monsters, guaranteed to wound on a 5+.		*'''Plague Rats: (Clan Pestilens)''' A slightly more expensive swarm of rats with poison, making them more dangerous when tarpiting lightly armour foe, especially monsters, guaranteed to wound on a 5+.

	* '''Wolf Rats: (Clan Moulder)''' They're 6 points apiece for a War Beast that moves 8 inches and have Frenzy and Vanguard. ~~There~~ are ~~also three upgrades~~ available, ranging from Poisoned Attacks to Armour Piercing and Magical Attacks to +1 Toughness (bringing them up to T4) at a cost of -1 Initiative (they are Initiative 4 base). Whether these guys are worth it or not depends on what slot they occupy; at Special has some good choices but they aren't a bad choice for their speed.		* '''Wolf Rats: (Clan Moulder)''' They're 6 points apiece for a War Beast that moves 8 inches and have Frenzy and Vanguard. Three upgrades are available, ranging from Poisoned Attacks to Armour Piercing and Magical Attacks to +1 Toughness (bringing them up to T4) at a cost of -1 Initiative (they are Initiative 4 base). Whether these guys are worth it or not depends on what slot they occupy; at Special has some good choices but they aren't a bad choice for their speed.

	* '''Rat Ogres: (Clan Moulder)''' If hulk had a rodent counterpart: Seriously though In a unit of 6 with their masters they will rampage through anything they flank attack BUT they can be easily baited due to their fast movement of 6", Frenzy and Stupidity. Generally, a good investment particularly if they have slaves or clanrats holding a unit in place for them. They also can be upgraded further with improvement to control, attack, or durability.		* '''Rat Ogres: (Clan Moulder)''' If hulk had a rodent counterpart: Seriously though In a unit of 6 with their masters they will rampage through anything they flank attack BUT they can be easily baited due to their fast movement of 6", Frenzy and Stupidity. Generally, a good investment particularly if they have slaves or clanrats holding a unit in place for them. They also can be upgraded further with improvement to control, attack, or durability.

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	===Core Units===		===Core Units===
	* '''Clanrats:''' Your basic infantry with shields. Very cheap so you can put them in HUGE units, and you'll be needing them because you need a pack of these boys for a unit of any core units (Unless you have a general of a different clan). They will die by the truckload, but you should have so many that even if they get blasted by a cannon, there will still be a good number left. Have them in units of thirty, forty, even fifty. They also have a host of neat special rules that your opponent won't be expecting. Highly recommended. Give them weapon teams for added lulz. It's funny when a ratling gun shoots up the enemy, but funnier when it shoots your own guys and then explodes. You'll have so many clanrats it's not as though you're suffering a real loss here.		* '''Clanrats:''' Your basic infantry with shields. Very cheap so you can put them in HUGE units, and you'll be needing them because you need a pack of these boys for a unit of any core units (Unless you have a general of a different clan). They will die by the truckload, but you should have so many that even if they get blasted by a cannon, there will still be a good number left. Have them in units of thirty, forty, or even fifty. They also have a host of neat special rules that your opponent won't be expecting. Highly recommended. Give them weapon teams for the added lulz. It's funny when a ratling gun shoots up the enemy, but funnier when it shoots your own guys and then explodes. You'll have so many clanrats it's not as though you're suffering a real loss here.

	* '''Skaven Slaves:''' See clanrats, but no weapons teams. These fuckers are twice as cheap as clanrats, meaning you'll have a lot of them. They have leadership is equal to their average dinner (ie, fucking nothing) so keep your general nearby to 'fix' that. Make sure they don't get flanked and they're not going anywhere. Keep a warpfire thrower close and have it set the unit held by the slaves on fire, since Skaven are bastards and are allowed to shoot at units tied down with Slaves. Watch as your opponent quits in a huff. Laugh. Take it like a scrawny bitch when he beats your ass in a neckbeard rage for trying to rules lawyer even more (obviously unintended) cheese. Also never horde them up; make as many ranks as your wish so they can hold units in place for your ogres or plague monks to flank charge them. Slaves aren't meant to cause damage; they take it; cause they are whipped. Note that Slaves have the option to take slings. Generally won't do much but can be a nasty surprise for your opponent if he's not expecting it (though nightrunners/gutter runners with slings are a much more efficient investment). Don't bother with spears, Slaves are there to take damage, not dish it out. Shields allow them to last somewhat longer, with effective 6+/6++ in melee.		* '''Skaven Slaves:''' See clanrats, but no weapons teams. Now a mixed unit with a mandatory slave driver holds the unit together. These fuckers are twice as cheap as clanrats, meaning you'll have a lot of them. They have leadership is equal to their average dinner (i.e., fucking nothing), so keep your general nearby to 'fix' that. Make sure they don't get flanked, and they're not going anywhere. Keep a warpfire thrower close and have it set the unit held by the slaves on fire since Skaven are bastards and are allowed to shoot at units tied down with Slaves. Watch as your opponent quits in a huff. Laugh. Take it like a scrawny bitch when he beats your ass in a neckbeard rage for trying to [[rules lawyer]] even more (obviously unintended) cheese. Also, never horde them up; make as many ranks as your wish so they can hold units in place for your ogres or plague monks to flank charge them. Slaves aren't meant to cause damage; they take it; cause they are whipped. Note that Slaves have the option to take slings. Generally won't do much, but it can be a nasty surprise for your opponent if he's not expecting it (though nightrunners/gutter runners with slings are a much more efficient investment). Don't bother with spears; Slaves are there to take damage, not dish it out. Shields allow them to last somewhat longer, with an effective 6+/6++ in melee.
	** A thing to beware is that they now have a new rule as of 1.5: Cornered Rats. This makes a breaking unit into a kamikaze, as they deal d6 S3 wounds per each rank of 5+ models to any units they flee through before vanishing. This can be useful to make a suicidal throw against a more threatening unit that's not quite within range of a better unit, but it can just as easily be turned against you.		** A thing to beware of is that they now have a new rule as of 1.5: Cornered Rats. This makes a breaking unit into a kamikaze, as they deal d6 S3 wounds per each rank of 5+ models to any units they flee through before vanishing. This can be useful to make a suicidal throw against a more threatening unit that's not quite within the range of a better unit, but it can just as easily be turned against you.

	* '''Stormvermin:''' Slightly more elite infantry. Still nice and cheap so huge units are not out of the question. Units of forty or fifty are not unreasonable. Shields are a preferred choice, depending on how much fire you expect them to absorb. Stick a warlock with Skavenbrew in them for berserk armor-covered, halberd-swinging rats of doom. Or take Queek Headtaker and upgrade your Stormvermin to a REAL elite unit.		* '''Stormvermin:''' Slightly more elite infantry. Still nice and cheap, so huge units are not out of the question. Units of forty or fifty are not unreasonable. Shields are a preferred choice, depending on how much fire you expect them to absorb. Stick a warlock with Skavenbrew in them for berserk armor-covered, halberd-swinging rats of doom. Or take Queek Headtaker and upgrade your Stormvermin to a REAL elite unit.

	* '''Plague Monks: (Clan Pestilens)''' Your actual elite infantry. 3 attacks (1 base, +1 for two hand weapons, +1 for frenzy). They have frenzy, which can work against them. Again, take in huge numbers. Make sure to deploy them in a way where they won't stray too far so they get the flank charge. T4 but they have no armor and are only I3 which means they will attack at the same time as the more well-armored I3 cores out there. Put them with a Plague Furnace and shit will go down (in a positive way).		* '''Plague Monks: (Clan Pestilens)''' Your actual elite infantry. 3 attacks (1 base, +1 for two hand weapons, +1 for frenzy). They have frenzy, which can work against them. Again, take in huge numbers. Make sure to deploy them in a way where they won't stray too far, so they get the flank charge. T4 but they have no armor and are only I3 which means they will attack at the same time as the more well-armored I3 cores out there. Put them with a Plague Furnace, and shit will go down (in a positive way).

	* '''Night Runners: (Clan Eshin)''' Decent skirmishing infantry/harassers. Their vanguard move allows you to set them up as charge blockers but other than that; expect them to die rather quickly. As far as choosing them above slave or clanrats is up to you. They can also choose a Warp-Grinder, so you could go to Warmachine hunting/ ~~rearcharging~~ with these guys. Shame their models look like deranged chimps. However, if you want a shooting unit, Gutter Runners are notably better.		* '''Night Runners: (Clan Eshin)''' Decent skirmishing infantry/harassers. Their vanguard move allows you to set them up as charge blockers but other than that; expect them to die rather quickly. As far choosing them above slave or clanrats is up to you. They can also choose a Warp-Grinder, so you could go to Warmachine hunting/ rear-charging with these guys. Shame their models look like deranged chimps. However, if you want a shooting unit, Gutter Runners are notably better.

	* '''Giant Rats: (Clan Moulder)''' Make a very nice tarpit but Slaves are cheaper and do it better. ~~they~~ are an inch faster with swiftstride and skaven Ld of 5 + Strength in Numbers. They are the faster Chaff that will tie down things on their terms and could overwhelm basic infantry while Slaves are more bodies.		* '''Giant Rats: (Clan Moulder)''' Make a very nice tarpit, but Slaves are cheaper and do it better. They are an inch faster with swiftstride and skaven Ld of 5 + Strength in Numbers. They are the faster Chaff that will tie down things on their terms and could overwhelm basic infantry, while Slaves are more bodies.

	* '''Rat Swarms:''' It's a Swarm, usual rules apply. Don't discount the swarm, even groups of three or four are useful in tying down a unit long enough to get those valuable flank charges. Less experienced players are even likely to flee instead of allowing a rat swarm ties them down in combat! Str 1 is far from great, but they aren't there to kill stuff, they're there to distract and detract with its 8W. Skavenslaves are arguably more efficient though.		* '''Rat Swarms:''' It's a Swarm, usual rules apply. Don't discount the swarm; even groups of three or four are useful in tying down a unit long enough to get those valuable flank charges. Less experienced players are even likely to flee instead of allowing a rat swarm ties them down in combat! Str 1 is far from great, but they aren't there to kill stuff; they're there to distract and detract with its 8W. Skavenslaves are arguably more efficient, though.

	===Weapon Teams (Clan Skryre)===		===Weapon Teams (Clan Skryre)===

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	*'''[[Morbus Sanguis]]:''' 230pts. Creator of the Yellow Death. He is not well-liked by his unit as his fear and -1 to hit penalties also affect his own unit, and he has a great weapon version of a Plague Censer. His more useful trick is upgrading a Plague Rats unit to Ws4 and S2. Now those swarms hit most units on 4s and wound Common T3 on +3s. Now getting fairly dangerous.		*'''[[Morbus Sanguis]]:''' 230pts. Creator of the Yellow Death. He is not well-liked by his unit as his fear and -1 to hit penalties also affect his own unit, and he has a great weapon version of a Plague Censer. His more useful trick is upgrading a Plague Rats unit to Ws4 and S2. Now those swarms hit most units on 4s and wound Common T3 on +3s. Now getting fairly dangerous.

	* '''[[Throt the Unclean]]:''' ~~185pts~~. Throt could be useful if you're planning on massing Rat Ogres and Giant Rats, in which case he acts as a general even when he isn't. But he's expensive (185 points), and while he can be nasty in close combat, especially against big things, but he's more than a little likely to eat an entire model from your own unit (including killing that Rat Ogre you really wanted to make one last round of attacks before going down).		* '''[[Throt the Unclean]]:''' 175pts. Throt could be useful if you're planning on massing Rat Ogres and Giant Rats, in which case he acts as a general even when he isn't. But he's expensive (185 points), and while he can be nasty in close combat, especially against big things, but he's more than a little likely to eat an entire model from your own unit (including killing that Rat Ogre you really wanted to make one last round of attacks before going down).

	* '''[[Ikit Claw]]:''' 310pts. [[Warhammer 40,000\|Wore power armor]] before it was [[Rogue Trader (Sourcebook)\|cool]] . Like Skrolk and Thanquol, Ikit is too expensive. Unlike them, I can say without reservation that you're not getting anywhere near enough for his cost. He seems like an odd attempt to combine a caster and a combat lord, and even more than other armies, that's a job you want to split. He also costs ~~nearly 400 points~~, and he doesn't do anything ~~casting~~ that a Grey Seer couldn't do, nor anything in combat a tricked-out Warlord couldn't do. As far as melee goes, no, he won't go 10 rounds with Archaon, but he wasn't meant to. His combat aspects just mean that, unlike virtually every other wizard in the game, he won't get his ass kicked the moment some skirmishers pop out of nowhere. Still ~~too~~ expensive.		* '''[[Ikit Claw]]:''' 310pts. [[Warhammer 40,000\|Wore power armor]] before it was [[Rogue Trader (Sourcebook)\|cool]] . Like Skrolk and Thanquol, Ikit is too expensive. Unlike them, I can say without reservation that you're not getting anywhere near enough for his cost. He seems like an odd attempt to combine a caster and a combat lord, and even more than other armies, that's a job you want to split. He also costs about as much as a fully upgraded Storm Daemon, and he doesn't do anything magic-wise that a Grey Seer couldn't do, nor anything in combat a tricked-out Warlord couldn't do (outside potentially dishing an absurd amount of S5 hits and having a Strength of 8 despite being an Lv 4 wizard). As far as melee goes, no, he won't go 10 rounds with Archaon, but he wasn't meant to. His combat aspects just mean that, unlike virtually every other wizard in the game, he won't get his ass kicked the moment some skirmishers pop out of nowhere. Still very expensive.
	** '''Alternate Opinion:''' Uh, yes, he will get his ass kicked by Skirmishers. He's got high Strength but only 2 Attacks at Initiative 3, so unless you're up against REALLY weak Skirmishers/Fast Cavalries like Ungor Raiders or Mounted Yeomen, he's probably fucked (never mind if he winds up against good close combat Skirmishers: Try him against Great Weapon armed Shades, lemme know how that works). Statistically, he's only going to get 1 wound in per round so he can't fight off attackers very efficiently ~~and he~~'s so expensive (again: 395 points) that he makes a 'No duh' target, so every skirmisher and their <s>dog</s> Sabertusk is gonna be gunning for him. This means you have to keep him in a unit to keep him alive, but then the unit is a no-duh target because it's probably gonna cost upwards of 500 points, and he can't join a unit that can reliably fight off Mournfangs and the like and...are you starting to see the problem? Yeah, don't take Ikit.		** '''Alternate Opinion:''' Uh, yes, he will get his ass kicked by Skirmishers. He's got high Strength but only 2 Attacks at Initiative 3, so unless you're up against REALLY weak Skirmishers/Fast Cavalries like Ungor Raiders or Mounted Yeomen, he's probably fucked (never mind if he winds up against good close combat Skirmishers: Try him against Great Weapon armed Shades, lemme know how that works). Statistically, he's only going to get 1 wound in per round so he can't fight off attackers very efficiently. He's so expensive (again: <s>395</s> now 310 points so still evaluating) that he makes a 'No duh' target, so every skirmisher and their <s>dog</s> Sabertusk is gonna be gunning for him. This means you have to keep him in a unit to keep him alive, but then the unit is a no-duh target because it's probably gonna cost upwards of 500 points, and he can't join a unit that can reliably fight off Mournfangs and the like and...are you starting to see the problem? Yeah, don't take Ikit.

	*'''[[Klawmunkast]], Warlock Master:''' 260pts. A more supportive role for a named Master Warlock than the melee-oriented Ikit Claw. Let you reroll on the misfire table for Clan Skryre units, Turn Skavenslaves into Warpstone Mutants to be a cheap hoard of 2 S4 attacks (becomes S5 if considering giving them Polearms a total of 5ppm), has an Eye that shots a bound Warp Lighting which is extra easy to cast being a PL4 and holding Warp-Blades. His percentage in a Skryre will least make all your crazy killing machines less prone to go up in a warpstone cloud.		*'''[[Klawmunkast]], Warlock Master:''' 260pts. A more supportive role for a named Master Warlock than the melee-oriented Ikit Claw. Let you reroll on the misfire table for Clan Skryre units, Turn Skavenslaves into Warpstone Mutants to be a cheap hoard of 2 S4 attacks (becomes S5 if considering giving them Polearms a total of 5ppm), has an Eye that shots a bound Warp Lighting which is extra easy to cast being a PL4 and holding Warp-Blades. His percentage in a Skryre will least make all your crazy killing machines less prone to go up in a warpstone cloud.

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	* '''Grey Seer:''' Your general Lord Level Wizard, with a crap statline (though he has T4, which is kinda awesome for a wizard - especially if you gonna make him a general) and a 220 points pricetag. Like the Vermin Lord, he can mix Ruin and Plague spells freely, though if you want skitterleap, grab an Eshin sorcerer. He's a good caster for his points and you'll probably get a lot of mileage out of him, so if you have the points free, he's a good investment. Note that he too has LD6, a bastion of Skaven bravery, but a bad Idea as General as your enemy is already going to be gunning for him, don't hand them more points for killing him.		* '''Grey Seer:''' Your general Lord Level Wizard, with a crap statline (though he has T4, which is kinda awesome for a wizard - especially if you gonna make him a general) and a 220 points pricetag. Like the Vermin Lord, he can mix Ruin and Plague spells freely, though if you want skitterleap, grab an Eshin sorcerer. He's a good caster for his points and you'll probably get a lot of mileage out of him, so if you have the points free, he's a good investment. Note that he too has LD6, a bastion of Skaven bravery, but a bad Idea as General as your enemy is already going to be gunning for him, don't hand them more points for killing him.

	*'''Master Mutator/Master Moulder:''' The Moulder Leaders for 90/35 points. Able to join Giant Rats or Rat Ogres as another handler or get up in front (to use that non-reach magic weapon), they also let all Moulder units within 12"/6" roll 3D6 (minus the highest die) on all Leadership checks. If you're fielding a bunch of unattended beasts, he could be useful if you're confident in your rolling. They are also ok fighters with S&T4 and armed with a Greatweapon, KB Things-Catcher, or the armor-ignoring Beast-Prods (still need to enchant their light armour).		*'''Master Mutator/Master Moulder:''' The Moulder Leaders for 80/30 points. Able to join Giant Rats or Rat Ogres as another handler or get up in front (to use that non-reach magic weapon), they also let all Moulder units within 12"/6" roll 3D6 (minus the highest die) on all Leadership checks. If you're fielding a bunch of unattended beasts, he could be useful if you're confident in your rolling. They are also ok fighters with S&T4 and armed with a Greatweapon, KB Things-Catcher, or the armor-ignoring Beast-Prods (still need to enchant their light armour).

	*'''Warlock Master/Warlock Engineer:''' Cheaper Lore of ruin casters with light armour at 160/65pts respectively. The Master caps off at Lvl3 but going past that is not what you want. they can also have other uses as they drew gear from magic and Skryer items: they can do shooting with Warlock Optics and a pistol or Warpmusket, + a maybe a Doomrocket; They magic spam with Warp-Blades, Upgraded Warp-Energy Condenser, and Supercharged Warp-Power Accumulator; or go close range with a unit of Clanrats or Stormvermin armed with an Enchanted armour, a Warp-Blades, Warpforged Blade, a Brass or Death Orb for all that Armour negation and -1Ld Lore Attribute goodness.		*'''Warlock Master/Warlock Engineer:''' Cheaper Lore of ruin casters with light armour at 160/65pts respectively. The Master caps off at Lvl3 but going past that is not what you want. they can also have other uses as they drew gear from magic and Skryer items: they can do shooting with Warlock Optics and a pistol or Warpmusket, + a maybe a Doomrocket; They magic spam with Warp-Blades, Upgraded Warp-Energy Condenser, and Supercharged Warp-Power Accumulator; or go close range with a unit of Clanrats or Stormvermin armed with an Enchanted armour, a Warp-Blades, Warpforged Blade, a Brass or Death Orb for all that Armour negation and -1Ld Lore Attribute goodness.

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	* '''[[Skreech Verminking\|Lord Skreech Verminking]]:''' 470pts. The greatest Vermin Lord and the avatar of the Horned Rat. Quite powerful in combat, being able to switch between ASF dagger and Multiple Wounds Doomglaive every turn, but that's not why you take this beauty. Being the biggest dick in a race of dicks, Skreech can take from the Lore of Ruin, Plague, and Stealth and always knows Curse of the Horned Rat (aka the Diet Dreaded Thirteenth) and CAN. REROLL. DICE. WHEN. CASTING. IT. That said he has his downsides, it's very hard to cast and you're running the risk of cascading your 470 point monster in regular magic. Like every other vermin lord, he is expensive, has no armour and only a 5+ ward, slow(8") with no flying, and unable to skitter leap himself. Still, he can be incredibly fun (and frustrating - for enemies) in casual games, and face it, you didn't pick up Skaven for boring reliability.		* '''[[Skreech Verminking\|Lord Skreech Verminking]]:''' 470pts. The greatest Vermin Lord and the avatar of the Horned Rat. Quite powerful in combat, being able to switch between ASF dagger and Multiple Wounds Doomglaive every turn, but that's not why you take this beauty. Being the biggest dick in a race of dicks, Skreech can take from the Lore of Ruin, Plague, and Stealth and always knows Curse of the Horned Rat (aka the Diet Dreaded Thirteenth) and CAN. REROLL. DICE. WHEN. CASTING. IT. That said he has his downsides, it's very hard to cast and you're running the risk of cascading your 470 point monster in regular magic. Like every other vermin lord, he is expensive, has no armour and only a 5+ ward, slow(8") with no flying, and unable to skitter leap himself. Still, he can be incredibly fun (and frustrating - for enemies) in casual games, and face it, you didn't pick up Skaven for boring reliability.

	* '''[[Queek Head-Taker]]:''' 225pts. He's a reliable combat character, and unlike ~~a lot of~~ Skaven heroes/lords, he can ~~actually~~ punch out other lords in a Challenge. He can be truly brutal against high ~~armor~~ save guys, which is always nice. If you're tailoring a list to take on Dwarves, definitely give this guy a look. Compared to 7th/8th he lost an attack & a point in armour, for a 5+ ward and the ~~abilitiy~~ to play ~~nicley~~ with Grey Seers & screaming bells. Fortunately his Red Guard ~~are~~ only 2pts extra a model and just ~~have~~ +1S.		* '''[[Queek Head-Taker]]:''' 225pts. He's a reliable combat character, and unlike many Skaven heroes/lords, he can punch out other lords in a Challenge. He can be truly brutal against high armour save guys, which is always nice. If you're tailoring a list to take on Dwarves, definitely give this guy a look. Compared to 7th/8th he lost an attack & a point in armour for a 5+ ward and the ability to play nicely with Grey Seers & screaming bells. Fortunately, his Red Guard is only 2pts extra a model and just has +1S.

	*'''[[Spinetail]], Warlord of [[Clan Klaw]]:''' 160pts. comes out of [[Island of Blood]]. Fare Cheaper ~~then~~ Queek, Spinetail is a melee lord Practically Duelweading two Blade of Corruptions, will roll off against an enemy character to see if they get strangled by his tail, and most importantly rerolls wound roll of 1 for his unit. He can easily fit in small games and makes any Stormvermin or Clanrats with spears he leads ~~dangrous~~.		*'''[[Spinetail]], Warlord of [[Clan Klaw]]:''' 160pts. comes out of [[Island of Blood]]. Fare Cheaper than Queek, Spinetail is a melee lord Practically Duelweading two Blade of Corruptions. He will roll off against an enemy character to see if they get strangled by his tail, and most importantly, rerolls wound roll of 1 for his unit. He can easily fit in small games and makes any Stormvermin or Clanrats with spears he leads dangerous.

	*'''[[Nurglitch]]:''' ~~415pts~~. The true lord of Clan Pestilens rides atop a rat with a censer-flailing caddy. He's also a serious benefit for a Pestilens army since he not only renders his unit immune to Skaven and Nurgle spells but also renders them immune to their own plague censers. His unit also becomes permanently frenzied and gains hatred, while he himself grants an aura of -1 WS to non-Pestilens units and an immediate armor-negating S4 hit to anyone in b2b, which is separate from his staff's bound spell that can instantly wound someone on a 6, making it epic on mobs.		*'''[[Nurglitch]]:''' 425pts. The true lord of Clan Pestilens rides atop a rat with a censer-flailing caddy. He's also a serious benefit for a Pestilens army since he not only renders his unit immune to Skaven and Nurgle spells but also renders them immune to their own plague censers. His unit also becomes permanently frenzied and gains hatred, while he himself grants an aura of -1 WS to non-Pestilens units and an immediate armor-negating S4 hit to anyone in b2b, which is separate from his staff's bound spell that can instantly wound someone on a 6, making it epic on mobs.

	* '''[[Lord Skrolk]]:''' Sadly no longer makes Plague Monks core. Seriously, that's the ONLY thing that justifies his inhumanly high entry cost of 385pts (165 points more than a Vanilla Grey Seer). He comes with some fun abilities and magic items, but even they can probably be outdone for less cost (Liber Bubonicus would be more fun if it weren't for the current rules on Bound Spells and it's 1 in 6 chance of going dud when cast). Ultimately he's too pricey. If you're planning on taking a lot of Plague Monks, he can justify his points, but otherwise? Skip him.		* '''[[Lord Skrolk]]:''' Sadly no longer makes Plague Monks core. Seriously, that's the ONLY thing that justifies his inhumanly high entry cost of 385pts (165 points more than a Vanilla Grey Seer). He comes with some fun abilities and magic items, but even they can probably be outdone for less cost (Liber Bubonicus would be more fun if it weren't for the current rules on Bound Spells and it's 1 in 6 chance of going dud when cast). Ultimately he's too pricey. If you're planning on taking a lot of Plague Monks, he can justify his points, but otherwise? Skip him.

	*'''[[Morbus Sanguis]]:''' 230pts. Creator of the Yellow Death. He is not well liked by his unit as his fear and -1 to hit penalties also affect his own unit and has a great weapon version of a Plague ~~Censers~~. His more useful trick is upgrading a Plague Rats unit to Ws4 and S2. Now those swarms hit most units on 4s and wound Common T3 on +3s. Now getting fairly ~~dangrous~~.		*'''[[Morbus Sanguis]]:''' 230pts. Creator of the Yellow Death. He is not well-liked by his unit as his fear and -1 to hit penalties also affect his own unit, and he has a great weapon version of a Plague Censer. His more useful trick is upgrading a Plague Rats unit to Ws4 and S2. Now those swarms hit most units on 4s and wound Common T3 on +3s. Now getting fairly dangerous.

	* '''[[Throt the Unclean]]:''' 185pts. Throt could be useful if you're planning on massing Rat Ogres and Giant Rats, in which case he acts as a general even when he isn't. But, he's expensive (185 points) and while he can be nasty in close combat, especially against big things, but he's more than a little likely to eat an entire model from your own unit (including killing that Rat Ogre you really wanted to make one last round of attacks before going down).		* '''[[Throt the Unclean]]:''' 185pts. Throt could be useful if you're planning on massing Rat Ogres and Giant Rats, in which case he acts as a general even when he isn't. But he's expensive (185 points), and while he can be nasty in close combat, especially against big things, but he's more than a little likely to eat an entire model from your own unit (including killing that Rat Ogre you really wanted to make one last round of attacks before going down).

	* '''[[Ikit Claw]]:''' 310pts. [[Warhammer 40,000\|Wore power armor]] before it was [[Rogue Trader (Sourcebook)\|cool]] . Like Skrolk and Thanquol, Ikit is too expensive. Unlike them, I can say without reservation that you're not getting anywhere near enough for his cost. He seems like an odd attempt to combine a caster and a combat lord and even more than other armies, that's a job you want to split. He also costs nearly 400 points, and he doesn't do anything casting that a Grey Seer couldn't do, nor anything in combat a tricked out Warlord couldn't do. As far as melee goes, no he won't go 10 rounds with Archaon, but he wasn't meant to. His combat aspects just mean that unlike virtually every other wizard in the game, he won't get his ass kicked the moment some skirmishers pop out of nowhere. Still too expensive.		* '''[[Ikit Claw]]:''' 310pts. [[Warhammer 40,000\|Wore power armor]] before it was [[Rogue Trader (Sourcebook)\|cool]] . Like Skrolk and Thanquol, Ikit is too expensive. Unlike them, I can say without reservation that you're not getting anywhere near enough for his cost. He seems like an odd attempt to combine a caster and a combat lord, and even more than other armies, that's a job you want to split. He also costs nearly 400 points, and he doesn't do anything casting that a Grey Seer couldn't do, nor anything in combat a tricked-out Warlord couldn't do. As far as melee goes, no, he won't go 10 rounds with Archaon, but he wasn't meant to. His combat aspects just mean that, unlike virtually every other wizard in the game, he won't get his ass kicked the moment some skirmishers pop out of nowhere. Still too expensive.
	** '''Alternate Opinion:''' Uh, yes he will get his ass kicked by Skirmishers. He's got high Strength, but only 2 Attacks at Initiative 3, so unless you're up against REALLY weak Skirmishers/Fast Cavalries like Ungor Raiders or Mounted Yeomen, he's probably fucked (never mind if he winds up against good close combat Skirmishers: Try him against Great Weapon armed Shades, lemme know how that works). Statistically, he's only going to get 1 wound in per round so he can't fight off attackers very efficiently and he's so expensive (again: 395 points) that he makes a 'No duh' target, so every skirmisher and their <s>dog</s> Sabertusk is gonna be gunning for him. This means you have to keep him in a unit to keep him alive, but then the unit is a no-duh target because it's probably gonna cost upwards of 500 points and he can't join a unit that can reliably fight off Mournfangs and the like and...are you starting to see the problem? Yeah, don't take Ikit.		** '''Alternate Opinion:''' Uh, yes, he will get his ass kicked by Skirmishers. He's got high Strength but only 2 Attacks at Initiative 3, so unless you're up against REALLY weak Skirmishers/Fast Cavalries like Ungor Raiders or Mounted Yeomen, he's probably fucked (never mind if he winds up against good close combat Skirmishers: Try him against Great Weapon armed Shades, lemme know how that works). Statistically, he's only going to get 1 wound in per round so he can't fight off attackers very efficiently and he's so expensive (again: 395 points) that he makes a 'No duh' target, so every skirmisher and their <s>dog</s> Sabertusk is gonna be gunning for him. This means you have to keep him in a unit to keep him alive, but then the unit is a no-duh target because it's probably gonna cost upwards of 500 points, and he can't join a unit that can reliably fight off Mournfangs and the like and...are you starting to see the problem? Yeah, don't take Ikit.

	*'''[[Klawmunkast]], Warlock Master:''' 260pts. A more supportive role for a named Master Warlock ~~then~~ the melee-oriented Ikit Claw. Let you reroll on the misfire table for Clan Skryre units, Turn Skavenslaves into Warpstone Mutants to be a cheap hoard of 2 S4 attacks (becomes S5 if considering giving them Polearms a total of 5ppm), has an Eye that shots a bound Warp Lighting which is extra easy to cast being a PL4 and holding Warp-Blades. His ~~percent~~ in a Skryre will least make all your crazy killing machines less prone to go up in a warpstone cloud.		*'''[[Klawmunkast]], Warlock Master:''' 260pts. A more supportive role for a named Master Warlock than the melee-oriented Ikit Claw. Let you reroll on the misfire table for Clan Skryre units, Turn Skavenslaves into Warpstone Mutants to be a cheap hoard of 2 S4 attacks (becomes S5 if considering giving them Polearms a total of 5ppm), has an Eye that shots a bound Warp Lighting which is extra easy to cast being a PL4 and holding Warp-Blades. His percentage in a Skryre will least make all your crazy killing machines less prone to go up in a warpstone cloud.

	* '''[[Deathmaster Snikch]]:''' 280pts. At first Deathmaster Snikch looks like a perfect Assassin until you read him, you guessed it, points cost. 150 points more than a basic Assassin, and all you're getting for that is some Weeping Blades (30 points), a Tail Weapon, and a Cloak that doesn't do jack if he's in combat (where you want him) or with a unit (where you want him). Aside from that, he has higher WS, BS, I, A, and LD, but not enough to make up for the over 250 points required to take him. He will almost never see enough action to justify that cost. Don't bother.		* '''[[Deathmaster Snikch]]:''' 280pts. At first Deathmaster Snikch looks like a perfect Assassin until you read him, you guessed it, points cost. 150 points more than a basic Assassin, and all you're getting for that is some Weeping Blades (30 points), a Tail Weapon, and a Cloak that doesn't do jack if he's in combat (where you want him) or with a unit (where you want him). Aside from that, he has higher WS, BS, I, A, and LD, but not enough to make up for the over 250 points required to take him. He will almost never see enough action to justify that cost. Don't bother.

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Generic Characters

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	* '''Grey Seer:''' Your general Lord Level Wizard, with a crap statline (though he has T4, which is kinda awesome for a wizard - especially if you gonna make him a general) and a 220 points pricetag. Like the Vermin Lord, he can mix Ruin and Plague spells freely, though if you want skitterleap, grab an Eshin sorcerer. He's a good caster for his points and you'll probably get a lot of mileage out of him, so if you have the points free, he's a good investment. Note that he too has LD6, a bastion of Skaven bravery, but a bad Idea as General as your enemy is already going to be gunning for him, don't hand them more points for killing him.		* '''Grey Seer:''' Your general Lord Level Wizard, with a crap statline (though he has T4, which is kinda awesome for a wizard - especially if you gonna make him a general) and a 220 points pricetag. Like the Vermin Lord, he can mix Ruin and Plague spells freely, though if you want skitterleap, grab an Eshin sorcerer. He's a good caster for his points and you'll probably get a lot of mileage out of him, so if you have the points free, he's a good investment. Note that he too has LD6, a bastion of Skaven bravery, but a bad Idea as General as your enemy is already going to be gunning for him, don't hand them more points for killing him.

	*'''Master Mutator/Master Moulder:''' The Moulder Leaders for 90/35 points. Able to join Giant Rats or Rat Ogres as another handler, they also let all Moulder units within 12"/6" roll 3D6 (minus the highest die) on all Leadership checks. If you're fielding a ~~whole~~ bunch of unattended beasts, he could ~~maybe~~ be useful if you're confident in your rolling. They are also ok fighters with S&T4 and armed with a Greatweapon, KB Things-Catcher, or the armor ignoring Beast-Prods (still need to enchant their light armour).		*'''Master Mutator/Master Moulder:''' The Moulder Leaders for 90/35 points. Able to join Giant Rats or Rat Ogres as another handler or get up in front (to use that non-reach magic weapon), they also let all Moulder units within 12"/6" roll 3D6 (minus the highest die) on all Leadership checks. If you're fielding a bunch of unattended beasts, he could be useful if you're confident in your rolling. They are also ok fighters with S&T4 and armed with a Greatweapon, KB Things-Catcher, or the armor-ignoring Beast-Prods (still need to enchant their light armour).

	*'''Warlock Master/Warlock Engineer:''' Cheaper Lore of ruin casters with light armour at 160/65pts respectively. The Master caps off at Lvl3 but going past that is not what you want. they can also have other uses as they drew gear from magic and Skryer items: they can do shooting with Warlock Optics and a pistol or Warpmusket, + a maybe a Doomrocket; They magic spam with Warp-Blades, Upgraded Warp-Energy Condenser, and Supercharged Warp-Power Accumulator; or go close range with a unit of Clanrats or Stormvermin armed with an Enchanted armour, a Warp-Blades, Warpforged Blade, a Brass or Death Orb for all that Armour negation and -1Ld Lore Attribute goodness.		*'''Warlock Master/Warlock Engineer:''' Cheaper Lore of ruin casters with light armour at 160/65pts respectively. The Master caps off at Lvl3 but going past that is not what you want. they can also have other uses as they drew gear from magic and Skryer items: they can do shooting with Warlock Optics and a pistol or Warpmusket, + a maybe a Doomrocket; They magic spam with Warp-Blades, Upgraded Warp-Energy Condenser, and Supercharged Warp-Power Accumulator; or go close range with a unit of Clanrats or Stormvermin armed with an Enchanted armour, a Warp-Blades, Warpforged Blade, a Brass or Death Orb for all that Armour negation and -1Ld Lore Attribute goodness.

	* '''Master Assassin/Assassin:''' An Assassin is an expensive way of killing enemy Heroes ~~and~~ Wizards and maybe War Machines or small shooting units. That's about it. With changes to the power of characters, his stats are good, but characters can't be trusted to kill anything above a character and they dig into Hero points. There will be games where you take him and he gets killed without accomplishing a thing. But hey, you played Skaven cuz you liked the randomness and given to a unit of Scouting Gutter Runners, they'll excel at War Machine, and the like, removal. They can still support other Eshin units like extra DPS, let them discage with Smoke Bombs and area denial with an Infernal Bomb. The Master Assassin can also be a General, with the highest Skaven Ld of 8 (must not be hidden for others to use it)		* '''Master Assassin/Assassin:''' An Assassin is an expensive way of killing enemy Heroes, Wizards, and maybe War Machines or small shooting units. That's about it. With changes to the power of characters, his stats are good, but characters can't be trusted to kill anything above a character, and they dig into Hero points. There will be games where you take him, and he gets killed without accomplishing a thing. But hey, you played Skaven cuz you liked the randomness, and given to a unit of Scouting Gutter Runners, they'll excel at War Machine and the like, removal. They can still support other Eshin units like extra DPS, let them discage with Smoke Bombs, and area denial with an Infernal Bomb. The Master Assassin can also be a General, with the highest Skaven Ld of 8 (must not be hidden for others to use it)

	*'''Eshin Sorcerer Lord/Eshin Sorcerer:''' Your source of Stealth magic. Only go up to Lvl3, only Verminlords can get max. They do a lot of stealthy things like ~~teleport~~ characters, ~~run~~ fast and ~~climb~~ over everything, arrow protection, and damage. They also do little melee with poison attacks and attribute softens enemy armour for Eshin daggers.		*'''Eshin Sorcerer Lord/Eshin Sorcerer:''' Your source of Stealth magic. Only go up to Lvl3; only Verminlords can get max. They do a lot of stealthy things like teleporting characters, running fast and climbing over everything, arrow protection, and damage. They also do little melee with poison attacks, and attribute softens enemy armour for Eshin daggers.

	* '''PlagueLord/Plague Priest:''' The Lord version can only get to wizard level 2, but can equip a Plague Censer and uses spells of plague. (go figure) Essentially mandatory for any Clan Pestilens themed armies due to how much they increase plague monks' effectiveness in battle. Other than that, their only use is to take Plague Furnace. If you just want plague magic, grab a Grey Seer.		* '''PlagueLord/Plague Priest:''' The Lord version can only get to wizard level 2, but can equip a Plague Censer and uses spells of plague. (go figure) Essentially mandatory for any Clan Pestilens themed armies due to how much they increase plague monks' effectiveness in battle. Other than that, their only use is to take Plague Furnace. If you just want plague magic, grab a Grey Seer.

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Weapon Teams (Clan Skryre)

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	They must be deployed 3" of the unit before acting independently. They also pass any ranged hits on a 4+ to a properly sized unit within 3" as a character.		They must be deployed 3" of the unit before acting independently. They also pass any ranged hits on a 4+ to a properly sized unit within 3" as a character.

	*'''~~Poison~~ Wind Mortar:''' Lobbing big glass Globes of poisoned gas has never been so much fun. Ignores armour saves, and wound on a ~~faild~~ toughness test. Keep it ~~right~~ behind ~~it's~~ accompanying unit for extra protection and to ~~make~~ use of its line of sight. A slight downside is a small template, which can make hitting MSU armies in smaller games a pain. ~~best~~ used on low T and high armor save units like human knights		*'''Poisoned Wind Mortar:''' Lobbing big glass Globes of poisoned gas has never been so much fun. Ignores armour saves and wound on a failed toughness test. Keep it behind its accompanying unit for extra protection and to use its line of sight. A slight downside is a small template, which can make hitting MSU armies in smaller games a pain. Best used on low T and high armor save units like human knights

	* '''Ratling Gun:''' Can you say tons of shots? This thing rolls for its shots then roll for more shot, but if you roll doubles, however, it misfires. Don't take this unless you're in a casual game. The Cheapest weapon team, but you pay for it with a higher chance to blow up. Although if you roll two dice per turn, you average to 7 shots per turn, with just 1/6th chance to blow up - same as PWM. Take this against smaller elite units (like elves). Ratling guns are also better against Monstrous Infantry since a template will have a harder covering more models (and the PWM doesn't kill, it wounds).		* '''Ratling Gun:''' Can you say tons of shots? This thing rolls for its shots then roll for more shot, but if you roll doubles, however, it misfires. Don't take this unless you're in a casual game. The Cheapest weapon team, but you pay for it with a higher chance to blow up. Although if you roll two dice per turn, you average to 7 shots per turn, with just 1/6th chance to blow up - same as PWM. Take this against smaller elite units (like elves). Ratling guns are also better against Monstrous Infantry since a template will have a harder covering more models (and the PWM doesn't kill, it wounds).
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	* '''Doom-Flayer:''' This bad boys armour save will protect it long enough to get it in to close combat... The one wound that the team has will probably result in it being killed in the first round unless you manage to decimate them in the first round. Not the greatest team out of the four but has potential against smaller foes. Not to mention if it misfires in close combat there is a chance it can blow up and take some enemies out with it. Glass is half full kinda guys.		* '''Doom-Flayer:''' This bad boys armour save will protect it long enough to get it in to close combat... The one wound that the team has will probably result in it being killed in the first round unless you manage to decimate them in the first round. Not the greatest team out of the four but has potential against smaller foes. Not to mention if it misfires in close combat there is a chance it can blow up and take some enemies out with it. Glass is half full kinda guys.

	* '''Warpfire Thrower:''' This is a good choice, but there are better, (see the Poisoned Wind Mortar) It has more of a chance to kill you, explode, and blow up on you than whatever you're hitting with the Mortars. It's essentially small blast vs a movable Flame Template. Standard rules for flaming attacks using the template ~~apply~~. Best used on low LD units as this weapon is great for causing panic checks.		* '''Warpfire Thrower:''' This is a good choice, but there are better, (see the Poisoned Wind Mortar) It has more of a chance to kill you, explode, and blow up on you than whatever you're hitting with the Mortars. It's essentially a small blast vs. a movable Flame Template. Standard rules for flaming attacks using the template applies. Best used on low LD units as this weapon is great for causing panic checks.

	*'''Warp-grinder:''' only on Night and Gutter Runners. In addition to a big battering ram, it lets your ninjas Ambush out of the ground. Still, it can inconvenience/kill the unit on bad misfire or scatter but can flank enemies in a surprising way after turn 1.		*'''Warp-grinder:''' only on Night and Gutter Runners. In addition to a big battering ram, it lets your ninjas Ambush out of the ground. Still, it can inconvenience/kill the unit on bad misfire or scatter but can flank enemies in a surprising way after turn 1.