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1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* How to tatices */

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1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Characters */

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Characters

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	==Characters==		==Characters==
	A handful of rule changes have shifted the balance and best use of characters. In 8th edition Level 4 Wizards had a constant +4 to cast and had the best chance of getting the good spells in a ~~lore~~. Now both Level 3 and 4 only get +2 and Wizards in general get to choose their spells, while also getting the signature for free. Additionally, almost all the 'save or die' aoe spells have been nerfed and magic resistance is more common and more useful. Lastly, optimal unit sizes have been decreased, with the loss of horde, units being unable to be deeper than wider and the nerfing of steadfast and inspiring presence, dumping all your points into a deathstar is less effective. What this means for Wizards is that your augment, hex or direct damage won't have a single target that when you get it off ~~on it wins~~ the game.		A handful of rule changes have shifted the balance and best use of characters. In 8th edition Level 4 Wizards had a constant +4 to cast and had the best chance of getting the good spells in a Magic Lore. Now both Level 3 and 4 only get +2, and Wizards in general get to choose their spells while also getting the signature for free. Additionally, almost all the 'save or die' aoe spells have been nerfed and reworked, and magic resistance is more common and more useful. Lastly, optimal unit sizes have been decreased; with the loss of horde, units being unable to be deeper than wider, and the nerfing of steadfast and inspiring presence, dumping all your points into a deathstar is less effective. What this means for Wizards is that your augment, hex, or direct damage won't have a single target that, when you get it off, will win the game.

	Building on this, characters who buff their unit are less effective because their unit is likely smaller and have a greater chance ~~to flee~~ off the field.		Building on this, characters who buff their unit are less effective because their unit is likely smaller and have a greater chance of fleeing off the field.

	Okay, so what type of characters are good in this edition? Melee lords, especially on a monster, are more viable than ever.		Okay, so what type of characters are good in this edition? Melee lords, especially on a monster, are more viable than ever.
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	* Champions can no longer issue or accept challenges, so no more wasting your Star Dragon Mounted Prince's 11 attacks on a Skaven Pack Leader.		* Champions can no longer issue or accept challenges, so no more wasting your Star Dragon Mounted Prince's 11 attacks on a Skaven Pack Leader.
	* Armour saves are combined like regular cavalry. If you're sitting on a dragon wearing heavy armour, you got a 1+ save, congrats.		* Armour saves are combined like regular cavalry. If you're sitting on a dragon wearing heavy armour, you got a 1+ save; congrats.
	* Regeneration saves combine ward saves.		* Regeneration saves combine with ward saves.
	* Warmachines are generally worse. Bolt throwers no longer ignore armour saves and cannons scatter.		* Warmachines are generally worse. Bolt throwers no longer ignore armour saves, and cannons scatter.
	* Price reduction in magic weapons and armour (the +1,2,3 A/S blades are all 25% cheaper for example).		* Price reduction in magic weapons and armour (the +1,2,3 A/S blades are all 25% cheaper, for example).
	* Unit Strength returns, while still not allowing your character to disrupt a unit, does contribute to steadfast and the outnumbered static CR bonus.		* Unit Strength returns, while still not allowing your character to disrupt a unit, it does contribute to steadfast and the outnumbered static CR bonus.

	==Know your Stats==		==Know your Stats==

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Challenges */

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Challenges

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	==Challenges==		==Challenges==
	Only characters can issue and accept challenges. Unit Champions in 9th can no longer tie-down a blender lord. Don't ever accept a challenge with a Wizard, losing some points of leadership and their (typically) weak attacks is not worth risking them dying. With 'Make Way' letting each character swap places with one model in base-to-base contact model, how you position your heroes in a unit is more important than ever.		Only characters can issue and accept challenges. Unit Champions in 9th can no longer tie down a blender lord. Don't ever accept a challenge with a Wizard; losing some points of leadership and their (typically) weak attacks is not worth risking them dying. With 'Make Way' letting each character swap places with one model in a base-to-base contact model, how you position your heroes in a unit is more important than ever.

	==Poison==		==Poison==

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Command Group */

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Command Group

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	==Command Group==		==Command Group==
	Each Command Group option (almost) always costs 10 points and adds some value to a unit. You could have brought an upgrade or more models for these points, so ~~it is essential to know~~ which units need which upgrades.		Each Command Group option (almost) always costs 10 points and adds some value to a unit. You could have brought an upgrade or more models for these points, so knowing which units need which upgrades are essential.

	'''Champions:''' - It is always good value for a melee unit, most often has +1A (or +1BS if its a dedicated shooting unit) and ~~re-roll~~ failed rolls to march, ~~re-direct~~ charges, reforms, or restrain from pursuit. On solid and expensive guys like Ogres, Champions can squeeze in more killing potential for the units. On the Skirmish or Fast Cavalry unit, they ensure that the unit does as it's told. If you don't need more movement control or melee support, like, for example, most of the stationary ranged units, it is generally safe to skip a champion.		'''Champions:''' - It is always good value for a melee unit, most often has +1A (or +1BS if its a dedicated shooting unit) and reroll failed rolls to march, redirect charges, reforms, charge redirects, or restrain from pursuit. On solid and expensive guys like Ogres, Champions can squeeze in more killing potential for the units. On the Skirmish or Fast Cavalry unit, they ensure that the unit does as it's told. If you don't need more movement control or melee support, like, for example, most of the stationary ranged units, it is generally safe to skip a champion.

	'''Musicians:''' - Gives an edge in case of a tie in combat resolution step, ~~grants reroll to rally rolls, and let~~ the unit reform before they move. They're your man if you need a unit to make sudden pivots like regular cavalry. Swift Reform is ~~not as~~ valuable on Fast calvary, but their musicians come discounted. It can also be suitable for shooting units with non-cumbersome weapons like bows and slings to readjust their line of sight against fast-moving targets (the swift reform does count as moving with the usual -1 to hit and can't shoot with handguns-esque weaponry).		'''Musicians:''' - Gives an edge in case of a tie in combat resolution step, lets the unit reform before they move, and grants reroll to rally rolls or auto rally for Feigned Flight. They're your man if you need a unit to make sudden pivots like regular cavalry. Swift Reform is less valuable on Skirmisher and Fast calvary, but their musicians come discounted and desirable if they have inadequate or even just average LD. It can also be suitable for shooting units with non-cumbersome weapons like bows and slings to readjust their line of sight against fast-moving targets (the swift reform does count as moving with the usual -1 to hit and can't shoot with handguns-esque weaponry).

	'''Standard Bearers:''' - Provide a +1 to COMBAT RESOLUTION, but you lose them when the unit breaks in melee (only in melee, the enemy captures them or something. In other cases of breaking, standard survives). For more elite units (plus now most normal rank&file troops in 9th), Banners can be enchanted to grant a unit a myriad of bonuses. For ~~basics~~ troops, think about if they need the +1. Archers shouldn't be in melee so can skip safely this. On the other hand, Elite troops ~~have to~~ consider all the magical banners; ~~mayhaps~~ one will bring an easy victory?		'''Standard Bearers:''' - Provide a +1 to COMBAT RESOLUTION, but you lose them when the unit breaks in melee (only in melee, the enemy captures them or something. In other cases of breaking, standard survives). For more elite units (plus now most normal rank&file troops in 9th), Banners can be enchanted to grant a unit a myriad of bonuses. For basic troops, think about if they need the +1. Archers shouldn't be in melee, so you can skip safely this. On the other hand, Elite troops must consider all the magical banners; perhaps one will bring an easy victory?

	==Challenges==		==Challenges==

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Strength Vs Toughness */

2023-03-04T00:23:49Z

Strength Vs Toughness

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	*S 4: The average man who gets a strength boost from somewhere, either from a polearm or charge bonus, they are monstrous infantry or an elitist who works out a lot or run over by a weak chariot. Common Character Strength. Also, Crossbows, handguns/pistols, and rapid-fire guns. Wounds most other infantry on 3+ and things that are not full monster tough on 5s. Gets some AP(1) on the attack. Although Str 3 is the default, it's often easy to inflict for an offensive unit to inflict attacks that are Str4 or more. The only deviation is from Vollyfire bow spam or chaff that were only bought to buy time for as cheap as possible.		*S 4: The average man who gets a strength boost from somewhere, either from a polearm or charge bonus, they are monstrous infantry or an elitist who works out a lot or run over by a weak chariot. Common Character Strength. Also, Crossbows, handguns/pistols, and rapid-fire guns. Wounds most other infantry on 3+ and things that are not full monster tough on 5s. Gets some AP(1) on the attack. Although Str 3 is the default, it's often easy to inflict for an offensive unit to inflict attacks that are Str4 or more. The only deviation is from Vollyfire bow spam or chaff that were only bought to buy time for as cheap as possible.
	*S 5: Human with a Greatweapon or lance, Orc with a spear, a weaker monster, an ogre of notoriety, other monstrous troop types with or without a weapon, the front end of a chariot blow. Rapid Fire warmachines are often this. With AP(2), this is the common can opener infantry most armies can field without additional magic support. It will cut open most things from other elite to monsters with the weight of attack that will often land. The trade-off is often these kinds of units can have low initiative and may not themselves be very tough and/or have a high cost, so chaff will often be able to massacre the smaller can-opener unit instead unless the said unit is some kind of monstrous blender.		*S 5: Human with a Greatweapon or lance, Orc with a spear, a weaker monster, an ogre of notoriety, other monstrous troop types with or without a weapon, the front end of a chariot blow. Rapid Fire warmachines are often this. With AP(2), this is the common can opener infantry most armies can field without additional magic support. It will cut open most things from other elite to monsters with the weight of attack that will often land. The trade-off is often these kinds of units can have low initiative and may not themselves be very tough and/or have a high cost, so chaff will often be able to massacre the smaller can-opener unit instead unless the said unit is some kind of monstrous blender.
	*S 6: Full-blooded monsters, Strong humans with Greatweapons or lances, Heroes with decent Magic weapons, or monstrous units with a weapon .		*S 6: Full-blooded monsters, Strong humans with Greatweapons or lances, Bolt Throwers, Heroes with decent Magic weapons, or monstrous units with weapons. Unless they have a ton of armour or just a decent ward save, each hit will land.
	*S 7:		*S 7: Strongest boys with or without a weapon. Monster killer strength.
			*S 10: Strongest you can go. Cannonballs and magic misfire table. The thing hit is supposed to die unless they get lucky. No armour, only wards.

	==Base Sizes==		==Base Sizes==

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Strength Vs Toughness */

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Strength Vs Toughness

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	===Strength Vs Toughness===		===Strength Vs Toughness===
	The second barrier. This time +/- 1s matter. ~~Lot~~ more things can modify it, including now mundane weapons and the poison rule. Less so than with Weapon Skill, You can invest too much depending on who ~~your~~ attacking, using Great weapons for an S7 is a waste of points when the unit is expected to fight only T3 Emperial State troopers ~~where~~ an Additional hand weapon would do better.		The second barrier. This time +/- 1s matter. Many more things can modify it, including now mundane weapons and the poison rule. Less so than with Weapon Skill, You can invest too much depending on who you are attacking, using Great weapons for an S7 is a waste of points when the unit is expected to fight only T3 Emperial State troopers, whereas an Additional hand weapon would do better.

	From least to greatest the to-wound roll is as follows:		From least to greatest, the to-wound roll is as follows:
	*6+: Defender's T is +2 >= of attacker's S		*6+: Defender's T is +2 >= of attacker's S
	*5+: Defender's T is 1 > of attacker's S		*5+: Defender's T is 1 > of attacker's S
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	*2+: Attacker's S is +2 >= of Defender's T		*2+: Attacker's S is +2 >= of Defender's T

	Strength and Toughness also ~~has~~ an interesting interaction with ~~spell~~ and abilities that ~~reduced~~ the value to 0, as it will outright kill the modle/unit (keep in mind most have a (to a minimum of 1) clause to prevent this kind of easy insta kill).		Strength and Toughness also have an interesting interaction with spells and abilities that reduce the value to 0, as it will outright kill the modle/unit (keep in mind most have a "to a minimum of 1" clause to prevent this kind of easy insta kill).

	~~Stength~~ also affects your attack's inherent armor piercing value (Str-3 = AP).		Strength also affects your attack's inherent armor-piercing value (Str-3 = AP).
	~~The a~~ quick lineup by order of Strongest to Weakest:		A quick lineup by order of Strongest to Weakest:

	*S 0 or -: Terrain, Warmachine, Shrines		*S 0 or -: Terrain, Warmachine, Shrines
	*S 1: Most swarm and spell/abilities that score a ton of hits, also Blowpipes. May had two debuffs stacked on you. ~~only~~ wounds most things on 6s but make up for this with a higher attack and sometimes the poison rule.		*S 1: Most swarm and spell/abilities that score a ton of hits, also Blowpipes. May had two debuffs stacked on you. Only wounds most things on 6s but make up for this with a higher attack and sometimes the poison rule.
	*S 2: Snotlings & Bat swarms. Wounds the average man on 5s.		*S 2: Snotlings & Bat swarms. Wounds the average man on 5s.
	*S 3: The average man, and average bow strength. ~~Majority~~ of things a Strength 3. Wounds the average man on 4s and tougher troops on 5s and the hardier monstrous things on 6s.		*S 3: The average man and average bow strength. The majority of things are Strength 3. Wounds the average man on 4s and tougher troops on 5s, and the hardier monstrous things on 6s.
	*S 4: The average man ~~but~~ gets a strength boost from somewhere, either from a polearm, charge bonus, ~~being a~~ monstrous infantry, or an ~~elitest~~ who works out a lot. ~~common~~ Character Strength. Also, Crossbows, handguns/pistols, and rapid-fire guns. Wounds most other infantry on 3+ and things that are not full monster tough on 5s. Gets some AP(1) on the attack. Although Str 3 is the default, it's often easy to inflict for an offensive unit to inflict attacks that are Str4 or more. The only deviation is from Vollyfire bow spam or chaff that were only bought to buy time for as cheap as possible.		*S 4: The average man who gets a strength boost from somewhere, either from a polearm or charge bonus, they are monstrous infantry or an elitist who works out a lot or run over by a weak chariot. Common Character Strength. Also, Crossbows, handguns/pistols, and rapid-fire guns. Wounds most other infantry on 3+ and things that are not full monster tough on 5s. Gets some AP(1) on the attack. Although Str 3 is the default, it's often easy to inflict for an offensive unit to inflict attacks that are Str4 or more. The only deviation is from Vollyfire bow spam or chaff that were only bought to buy time for as cheap as possible.
	*S 5: Human with ~~Great Weapon~~ or ~~lances~~, Orc with a spear, a weaker monster, or other monstrous troop types with or without a weapon. Rapid Fire warmachines are often this. With AP(2), this is the common can opener infantry most armies can field without additional magic support. ~~Will~~ cut open most things from other elite to monsters with the weight of attack that will often land. The trade-off is often these kinds of units can have low initiative, may not themselves be very tough and/or high cost, so chaff ~~will often~~ will often be able to ~~masacure~~ the smaller ~~cannoponer~~ unit instead unless said unit is some ~~monster creates welding additional hand weapons~~.		*S 5: Human with a Greatweapon or lance, Orc with a spear, a weaker monster, an ogre of notoriety, other monstrous troop types with or without a weapon, the front end of a chariot blow. Rapid Fire warmachines are often this. With AP(2), this is the common can opener infantry most armies can field without additional magic support. It will cut open most things from other elite to monsters with the weight of attack that will often land. The trade-off is often these kinds of units can have low initiative and may not themselves be very tough and/or have a high cost, so chaff will often be able to massacre the smaller can-opener unit instead unless the said unit is some kind of monstrous blender.
	*S 6:		*S 6: Full-blooded monsters, Strong humans with Greatweapons or lances, Heroes with decent Magic weapons, or monstrous units with a weapon .
	*S 7:		*S 7:

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Weapon Skill */

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Weapon Skill

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	The Weapon Skill often ties into the eliteness of a unit so here is a quick lineup by order of slowest to quickest:		The Weapon Skill often ties into the eliteness of a unit so here is a quick lineup by order of slowest to quickest:

	*0 or -: Terrain and Warmachine, ~~rolled~~ a ~~3 for a ''Melkoth's Mystifying Miasma'' like~~ spell ~~plus stacking~~ debuffs without a to minimum of 1 clause - can't attack, and melee attacks auto-hit		*0 or -: Terrain and Warmachine, cast a spell or other debuffs without a "to a minimum of 1" clause - can't attack, and melee attacks auto-hit
	*WS 1: ''Melkoth's Mystifying Miasma'' like spell and/or stacking debuffs - most troops are hitting you on 2s and hitting back on 5s at best.		*WS 1: ''Melkoth's Mystifying Miasma'' like spell and/or stacking debuffs - most troops are hitting you on 2s and hitting back on 5s at best.
	*WS 2: Goblins, Skeletons & Zombies, Drafted Expentabel meatshield, a bad ''Melkoth's Mystifying Miasma'' roll, one instance of WS debuff - Not that bad just getting hit on 3s and hitting back on 4s. Less when elites hit on 2+s. Elves are 5+ but you likely have buckets of dice if WS2 was your default.		*WS 2: Goblins, Skeletons & Zombies, Drafted Expentabel meatshield, a bad ''Melkoth's Mystifying Miasma'' roll, one instance of WS debuff - Not that bad, just getting hit on 3s and hitting back on 4s. Less when elites hit on 2+s. Elves are 5+, but you likely have buckets of dice if WS2 was your default.
	*WS 3: ~~the~~ majority of everyone, and many monsters - Considered the default, From here unless punching down, ~~the majority thing~~ of equal or ~~grater~~ WS are 4+ to hit.		*WS 3: The majority of everyone and many monsters - Considered the default. From here, unless punching down, most things of equal or greater WS are 4+ to hit.
	*WS 4: Elite fighters that train their entire lives, Elves, Dwarfs, those support heroes that can hold their own in a fight - the 3 is meant to be the common man but 4 are the guy your trying to get into combat. +1 to hit the common man but are often given gear designed to fight elite things so don't always matter.		*WS 4: Elite fighters that train their entire lives, Elves, Dwarfs, those support heroes that can hold their own in a fight - the 3 is meant to be the common man, but 4 are the guy your trying to get into combat. +1 to hit the common man but are often given gear designed to fight elite things, so don't always matter.
	*WS 5: In human lands, you would be the best sword in the region, Centuries-old Chaos warriors, Bloodletter, Daemonette, and the dedicated elven warriors - hitting most other troops on 3s, and those affected with ''Miasma'' will have a hard time.		*WS 5: In human lands, you would be the best sword in the region, Centuries-old Chaos warriors, Bloodletter, Daemonette, and the dedicated elven warriors - hitting most other troops on 3s, and those affected with ''Miasma'' will have a hard time.
	*WS 6: the greatest swords arms of the times, human lords, exalted champions of chaos, Vampires, elven elites- safe to say that you hitting everyone on 3 or better		*WS 6: the greatest swords arms of the times, human lords, exalted champions of chaos, Vampires, elven elites- safe to say that you hitting everyone on 3 or better
	*WS 7, 8, 9: your a named, elf, or a chaos character. Fights between chaff are 2+ vs 6/5+, but rarely this is not the best thing they should be fighting unless riding or are a monster.		*WS 7, 8, 9: your named, an elf, or a chaos character. Fights between chaff are 2+ vs. 6/5+, but rarely this is not the best thing they should be fighting unless riding or they are a monster.
	*WS 10: You equipped the Fencer's Blades. - Hitting most on 2s and everthing else on 3s.		*WS 10: You equipped the Fencer's Blades. - Hitting most on 2s and everthing else on 3s.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Initiative */

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Initiative

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	*3: Humans, Elves with great weapons		*3: Humans, Elves with great weapons
	*4: Elite humans, Norskans, Chaos warriors, Skinks, Skaven		*4: Elite humans, Norskans, Chaos warriors, Skinks, Skaven
	*5+: Elves, vampires		*5: Elves, vampires

	===Weapon Skill===		===Weapon Skill===