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202.160.36.16: /* 40k goes through the same cycles as fantasy, but internally */

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40k goes through the same cycles as fantasy, but internally

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	However considering Slaanesh was born in 40k (while in Fantasy it merely...existed) this could indicate the 40k universe to be the first in the cycle (or at least precede Fantasy and AoS) or Fantasy/AoS takes place sometime after the birth of Slaanesh in some corner of the Warp. Alternatively, 40k which is stated to take place in our far future is separate to the Fantasy/AoS universe but connected by the Warp.		However considering Slaanesh was born in 40k (while in Fantasy it merely...existed) this could indicate the 40k universe to be the first in the cycle (or at least precede Fantasy and AoS) or Fantasy/AoS takes place sometime after the birth of Slaanesh in some corner of the Warp. Alternatively, 40k which is stated to take place in our far future is separate to the Fantasy/AoS universe but connected by the Warp.

	Rise of Ynnari sort of retcons the War in Heaven to make it closer to the Coming ~~off~~ Chaos in Fantasy. Chaos Daemons were a huge threat during that conflict forcing the Eldar Empire to ally with certain Necron Dynasties just to fight back (definitely not permanently though).		Rise of Ynnari sort of retcons the War in Heaven to make it closer to the Coming of Chaos in Fantasy. Chaos Daemons were a huge threat during that conflict forcing the Eldar Empire to ally with certain Necron Dynasties just to fight back (definitely not permanently though).

	The Parallels between the Vortex and the Pylons become more apparent after the Great Rift. Also the birth of Slaanesh is only relevant to the material world as time is essentially nothing to the Chaos Realm, applying the existence of Slaanesh retroactively.		The Parallels between the Vortex and the Pylons become more apparent after the Great Rift. Also the birth of Slaanesh is only relevant to the material world as time is essentially nothing to the Chaos Realm, applying the existence of Slaanesh retroactively.

1d4chan>McNash: /* So who the hell is the Architect of this shit? */

2022-07-09T07:37:59Z

So who the hell is the Architect of this shit?

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	== So who the hell is the Architect of this shit? ==		== So who the hell is the Architect of this shit? ==

	{{Topquote\|Oh, [[Games Workshop\|Star Maker]], even if you destroy me, I must praise you. Even if you torture my dearest. Even if you torment and waste all your lovely worlds, the little figments of your imagination, yet I must praise you\|~~The~~ Star Maker, Olaf Stapledon.}}		{{Topquote\|Oh, [[Games Workshop\|Star Maker]], even if you destroy me, I must praise you. Even if you torture my dearest. Even if you torment and waste all your lovely worlds, the little figments of your imagination, yet I must praise you\|Star Maker, Olaf Stapledon.}}

	Unless you count [[GW]] itself, nobody knows. The Chaos Gods are the most powerful beings in the meta-setting, but even they seem to be just one more part of the endless cycle and they sure as hell wouldn't be interested in actually creating anything that wasn't already corrupted by Chaos. No other god seems to have enough power to create or sustain a cycle on its own either, assuming that the meta-setting was even created by a sentient being. Just one more question of many that most people can only speculate over.		Unless you count [[GW]] itself, nobody knows. The Chaos Gods are the most powerful beings in the meta-setting, but even they seem to be just one more part of the endless cycle and they sure as hell wouldn't be interested in actually creating anything that wasn't already corrupted by Chaos. No other god seems to have enough power to create or sustain a cycle on its own either, assuming that the meta-setting was even created by a sentient being. Just one more question of many that most people can only speculate over.

1d4chan>McNash: /* So who the hell is the Architect of this shit? */

2022-07-09T07:37:37Z

So who the hell is the Architect of this shit?

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	== So who the hell is the Architect of this shit? ==		== So who the hell is the Architect of this shit? ==

			{{Topquote\|Oh, [[Games Workshop\|Star Maker]], even if you destroy me, I must praise you. Even if you torture my dearest. Even if you torment and waste all your lovely worlds, the little figments of your imagination, yet I must praise you\|The Star Maker, Olaf Stapledon.}}

	Unless you count [[GW]] itself, nobody knows. The Chaos Gods are the most powerful beings in the meta-setting, but even they seem to be just one more part of the endless cycle and they sure as hell wouldn't be interested in actually creating anything that wasn't already corrupted by Chaos. No other god seems to have enough power to create or sustain a cycle on its own either, assuming that the meta-setting was even created by a sentient being. Just one more question of many that most people can only speculate over.		Unless you count [[GW]] itself, nobody knows. The Chaos Gods are the most powerful beings in the meta-setting, but even they seem to be just one more part of the endless cycle and they sure as hell wouldn't be interested in actually creating anything that wasn't already corrupted by Chaos. No other god seems to have enough power to create or sustain a cycle on its own either, assuming that the meta-setting was even created by a sentient being. Just one more question of many that most people can only speculate over.

1d4chan>McNash at 07:31, 9 July 2022

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	{{Topquote\|Before there was time, before there was anything, there was nothing. And before there was nothing, there were monsters.\|[[Adventure Time\|The Lich]]}}		{{Topquote\|Before there was time, before there was anything, there was nothing. And before there was nothing, there were monsters.\|[[Adventure Time\|The Lich]]}}

			{{Topquote\|I REMEMBER WHEN ALL THIS WILL BE AGAIN.\|[[Discworld\|Azrael]]}}

	Possibly hinted towards in the original fluff, definitely revealed during the [[End Times]] and expanded upon in the [[Warhammer: Age of Sigmar\|Age of Sigmar]], the Warhammer Fantasy universe isn't, as previously thought, a single universe constantly assailed by Chaos, but rather one universe out of many. The Warhammer Fantasy universe is in fact locked into a perpetual cycle of birth, stagnation and destruction, with every cycle ending with Chaos consuming as much of the worlds as it can, sating themselves and giving time for the powers of Order to recollect themselves, recreate the universe and gather the souls of the last universe so new life can be created.		Possibly hinted towards in the original fluff, definitely revealed during the [[End Times]] and expanded upon in the [[Warhammer: Age of Sigmar\|Age of Sigmar]], the Warhammer Fantasy universe isn't, as previously thought, a single universe constantly assailed by Chaos, but rather one universe out of many. The Warhammer Fantasy universe is in fact locked into a perpetual cycle of birth, stagnation and destruction, with every cycle ending with Chaos consuming as much of the worlds as it can, sating themselves and giving time for the powers of Order to recollect themselves, recreate the universe and gather the souls of the last universe so new life can be created.

1d4chan>McNash at 07:26, 9 July 2022

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			{{Topquote\|Before there was time, before there was anything, there was nothing. And before there was nothing, there were monsters.\|[[Adventure Time\|The Lich]]}}

	Possibly hinted towards in the original fluff, definitely revealed during the [[End Times]] and expanded upon in the [[Warhammer: Age of Sigmar\|Age of Sigmar]], the Warhammer Fantasy universe isn't, as previously thought, a single universe constantly assailed by Chaos, but rather one universe out of many. The Warhammer Fantasy universe is in fact locked into a perpetual cycle of birth, stagnation and destruction, with every cycle ending with Chaos consuming as much of the worlds as it can, sating themselves and giving time for the powers of Order to recollect themselves, recreate the universe and gather the souls of the last universe so new life can be created.		Possibly hinted towards in the original fluff, definitely revealed during the [[End Times]] and expanded upon in the [[Warhammer: Age of Sigmar\|Age of Sigmar]], the Warhammer Fantasy universe isn't, as previously thought, a single universe constantly assailed by Chaos, but rather one universe out of many. The Warhammer Fantasy universe is in fact locked into a perpetual cycle of birth, stagnation and destruction, with every cycle ending with Chaos consuming as much of the worlds as it can, sating themselves and giving time for the powers of Order to recollect themselves, recreate the universe and gather the souls of the last universe so new life can be created.

1d4chan>The Hat That Was: /* The Proto cycle */

2022-03-29T09:52:16Z

The Proto cycle

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	Why does this matter? Because the Flaming Phoenix is clearly Asuryan, and the Elven gods were all refluffed to be survivors of the proto-cycle, therefore this could be a recording of an event that actually happened in the proto-cycle. If we take this as assumption as true this indicates a few things.		Why does this matter? Because the Flaming Phoenix is clearly Asuryan, and the Elven gods were all refluffed to be survivors of the proto-cycle, therefore this could be a recording of an event that actually happened in the proto-cycle. If we take this as assumption as true this indicates a few things.

	First that the[[Warhammer_Fantasy_Gods#Humans\|Human gods]], are all survivors of the protocycle, with status comparable to age of Sigmar Gods. [[Sotek]] is an odd addition as well as the only non human god mentioned by name.		First that the [[Warhammer_Fantasy_Gods#Humans\|Human gods]], are all survivors of the protocycle, with status comparable to age of Sigmar Gods. [[Sotek]] is an odd addition as well as the only non human god mentioned by name.

	Second: Asuryan is not typically associated with 'Gleaming Pyramids', but Sotek of the lizardmen very much is so, in fact lizardmen have temple-pyramids-spaceships. As the stone refers to him '''returned from atop His Gleaming Pyramid''' thus implying the thing is moving (replace pyramid with chariot and it makes just as much sense), this could be the first (both in and out of setting) depiction of these star ship-pyramids. Also Asuryan is associated with prophecy, something the old ones are also very much associated with. This perhaps points to Asuryan BEING an old one.		Second: Asuryan is not typically associated with 'Gleaming Pyramids', but Sotek of the lizardmen very much is so, in fact lizardmen have temple-pyramids-spaceships. As the stone refers to him '''returned from atop His Gleaming Pyramid''' thus implying the thing is moving (replace pyramid with chariot and it makes just as much sense), this could be the first (both in and out of setting) depiction of these star ship-pyramids. Also Asuryan is associated with prophecy, something the old ones are also very much associated with. This perhaps points to Asuryan BEING an old one.

2603:8001:8600:4749:191C:A6DD:F1F8:B9C6: /* 40K */

2022-02-17T21:43:29Z

40K

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	If 40k exists in this cycle, it seems very likely it was the first and influenced the later additions rather than resulting from something prior. Yeah, that's right. The truth you all feared. 40k is canon and Fantasy was Tzeentch's fan fiction on a corner of the Warp where he makes and torments "gods" for his amusement. As for the setting itself, there is only war and an eternal stalemate to perpetuate it.		If 40k exists in this cycle, it seems very likely it was the first and influenced the later additions rather than resulting from something prior. Yeah, that's right. The truth you all feared. 40k is canon and Fantasy was Tzeentch's fan fiction on a corner of the Warp where he makes and torments "gods" for his amusement. As for the setting itself, there is only war and an eternal stalemate to perpetuate it.

			The Ynnari storyline confirms Chaos Daemons were present early on during the War in Heaven, making that event 40k's Coming of Chaos

			Various Daemons have talked about other Universes and wanting to invade them so the cycle could still be in 40k

	== So who the hell is the Architect of this shit? ==		== So who the hell is the Architect of this shit? ==

1d4chan>MrPhantom: /* 40k goes through the same cycles as fantasy, but internally */

2022-01-19T21:52:15Z

40k goes through the same cycles as fantasy, but internally

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	Rise of Ynnari sort of retcons the War in Heaven to make it closer to the Coming off Chaos in Fantasy. Chaos Daemons were a huge threat during that conflict forcing the Eldar Empire to ally with certain Necron Dynasties just to fight back (definitely not permanently though).		Rise of Ynnari sort of retcons the War in Heaven to make it closer to the Coming off Chaos in Fantasy. Chaos Daemons were a huge threat during that conflict forcing the Eldar Empire to ally with certain Necron Dynasties just to fight back (definitely not permanently though).

	The Parallels between the Vortex and the Pylons become more apparent after the Great Rift.		The Parallels between the Vortex and the Pylons become more apparent after the Great Rift. Also the birth of Slaanesh is only relevant to the material world as time is essentially nothing to the Chaos Realm, applying the existence of Slaanesh retroactively.

	If the connected by the Warp assumption is correct, the Old Ones presumably used Mallus, formed by the survivors of the Proto-Cycle who ascended to godhood, as a testing ground for anti-Chaos measures and were forced to abandon it during the War in Heaven while the Slann and the survivors were left alone. They held out until the End Times and Dracothion rebuilt the realms in such a way that Chaos cannot permanently kill them, while the Slann and the Mallus survivors who ascended to godhood can at least guarantee an eternal stalemate like with 40k, giving the Chaos Gods permanent sustenance in an extremely fucked up symbiosis of mutual eternal survival, [[Grimdark\|while the mortals suffer]].		If the connected by the Warp assumption is correct, the Old Ones presumably used Mallus, formed by the survivors of the Proto-Cycle who ascended to godhood, as a testing ground for anti-Chaos measures and were forced to abandon it during the War in Heaven while the Slann and the survivors were left alone. They held out until the End Times and Dracothion rebuilt the realms in such a way that Chaos cannot permanently kill them, while the Slann and the Mallus survivors who ascended to godhood can at least guarantee an eternal stalemate like with 40k, giving the Chaos Gods permanent sustenance in an extremely fucked up symbiosis of mutual eternal survival, [[Grimdark\|while the mortals suffer]].
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	{{Topquote\|Before there was time, before there was anything, there was nothing. And before there was nothing, there were monsters.\|[[Adventure Time\|The Lich]]}}		{{Topquote\|Before there was time, before there was anything, there was nothing. And before there was nothing, there were monsters.\|[[Adventure Time\|The Lich]]}}

			{{Topquote\|I REMEMBER WHEN ALL THIS WILL BE AGAIN.\|[[Discworld\|Azrael]]}}

	Possibly hinted towards in the original fluff, definitely revealed during the [[End Times]] and expanded upon in the [[Warhammer: Age of Sigmar\|Age of Sigmar]], the Warhammer Fantasy universe isn't, as previously thought, a single universe constantly assailed by Chaos, but rather one universe out of many. The Warhammer Fantasy universe is in fact locked into a perpetual cycle of birth, stagnation and destruction, with every cycle ending with Chaos consuming as much of the worlds as it can, sating themselves and giving time for the powers of Order to recollect themselves, recreate the universe and gather the souls of the last universe so new life can be created.		Possibly hinted towards in the original fluff, definitely revealed during the [[End Times]] and expanded upon in the [[Warhammer: Age of Sigmar\|Age of Sigmar]], the Warhammer Fantasy universe isn't, as previously thought, a single universe constantly assailed by Chaos, but rather one universe out of many. The Warhammer Fantasy universe is in fact locked into a perpetual cycle of birth, stagnation and destruction, with every cycle ending with Chaos consuming as much of the worlds as it can, sating themselves and giving time for the powers of Order to recollect themselves, recreate the universe and gather the souls of the last universe so new life can be created.