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Warmahordes Gameplay

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	===Warmahordes Gameplay===		===Warmahordes Gameplay===
	In Warmahordes a unit will be activated and then takes its full move (generally its speed) and then make its action.		In Warmahordes a unit will be activated and then takes its full move (generally its speed) and then make its action.
	A shooting action will look something like this, note shooting attacks just use power, melee uses strength+power:		A shooting action will look something like this, note shooting attacks just use power (unless it's a thrown weapon, like javelin), melee uses strength+power:

	1. Pick a target.		1. Pick a target.

1d4chan>Tsabo7: /* Summary */

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Summary

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	However Warmahordes is much less customizable than 40k, so making an army of [[your dudes]] is much harder. You can't make your own commander with a history all of his own unless you want to use one of the warnouns that already exist as an identical base. Also, the lack of options for the troops makes making whatever fluff you have for your army more difficult to crunch. Warmahordes feels more like a historical game than a fantasy one in that you're not "forging a narrative" so much as stepping into someone else's. Further, Privateer Press has pretty tight conversion guidelines for its tournaments, (which, to be fair, makes sense because a lot of things like the warjacks share the same chassis and differ only in the arms so making sure no-one is confused is important), limiting how wildly you can convert your models if you want to be competitive.		However Warmahordes is much less customizable than 40k, so making an army of [[your dudes]] is much harder. You can't make your own commander with a history all of his own unless you want to use one of the warnouns that already exist as an identical base. Also, the lack of options for the troops makes making whatever fluff you have for your army more difficult to crunch. Warmahordes feels more like a historical game than a fantasy one in that you're not "forging a narrative" so much as stepping into someone else's. Further, Privateer Press has pretty tight conversion guidelines for its tournaments, (which, to be fair, makes sense because a lot of things like the warjacks share the same chassis and differ only in the arms so making sure no-one is confused is important), limiting how wildly you can convert your models if you want to be competitive.

	There are two ways to view 40k VS Warmahordes. If you want a casual game, Warmahordes is far superior for these reasons, but if you are prepared to dump a fair amount of time and money for a larger scale game with a more battlefield commander feel, you may prefer Warhammer. Additionally, Warmahordes' greater predictability places more importance on tactics and is a bit better balanced, with fewer stand-out horrible choices like Pyrovores, making it better for people who want greater tactics in their game. Furthermore, as has been proven with monstrosities like Screamerstar, the Daemon Summoning Tide, and [[Fish of Fury]], 40k is easily broken when taken to high level tournament play with ''Von, und precisely von vay!'' to play each of the top level armies.		There are two ways to view 40k VS Warmahordes. If you want a casual game, Warmahordes is far superior for these reasons, but if you are prepared to dump a fair amount of time and money for a larger scale game with a more battlefield commander feel, you may prefer Warhammer. Additionally, Warmahordes' greater predictability places more importance on tactics and is a bit better balanced, with fewer stand-out horrible choices like Pyrovores, making it better for people who want greater tactics in their game. Furthermore, as has been proven with monstrosities like [[Screamerstar]], the Daemon Summoning Tide, and [[Fish of Fury]], 40k is easily broken when taken to high level tournament play with ''Von, und precisely von vay!'' to play each of the top level armies.

	On the other hand, the 40k ruleset (especially with new Unbound rules) favors "forging a narrative," with players expected to play the army they want with the backstory they want, adding RPG-character elements to the wargame. This is why 40k's plot [[Advancing the Storyline\|just keeps treading water]] - it sets the stage for [[your dudes]] to have epic adventures and stories, while Warmachines' plot advances because players want to see what happens next. Historical games like Flames of War or Bolt Action do the same, but as the events are real it's easier to motivate players to play a force from one point of time. If you want to have a good story, go to Warmahordes, but if you want to ''make'' a good story, 40k might prove a superior choice.		On the other hand, the 40k ruleset (especially with new Unbound rules) favors "forging a narrative," with players expected to play the army they want with the backstory they want, adding RPG-character elements to the wargame. This is why 40k's plot [[Advancing the Storyline\|just keeps treading water]] - it sets the stage for [[your dudes]] to have epic adventures and stories, while Warmachines' plot advances because players want to see what happens next. Historical games like Flames of War or Bolt Action do the same, but as the events are real it's easier to motivate players to play a force from one point of time. If you want to have a good story, go to Warmahordes, but if you want to ''make'' a good story, 40k might prove a superior choice.

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Cost and Models

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	===Cost and Models===		===Cost and Models===
	A major difference is the model count and real-money cost of the games. Whilst a proactive buyer may be able to get a competitive Warhammer army from eBay for fairly cheap (talking maybe $300), an army that is ready to play can cost as little as $60 for Warmahordes - although a proper 35-point game will more likely set you back around $150-250. In Warmahordes, the typical model count can vary between 4-50, whereas, in Warhammer, that could be a single unit.		A major difference is the model count and real-money cost of the games. Whilst a proactive buyer may be able to get a competitive Warhammer army from eBay for fairly cheap (talking maybe $300), an army that is ready to play can cost as little as $60 for Warmahordes - although a proper 35-point game will more likely set you back around $150-250. Currently most games are at 75 points with tournaments requiring 2 lists of 75 points. At the 75 point level you are going to spend as much or more than your average 1000 point Warhammer army. In Warmahordes, the typical model count can vary between 4-50, whereas, in Warhammer, that could be a single unit.

	However, in Warmahordes, there are almost no options for unit customization. A Warhammer 40k player might spend half an hour deliberating over exactly how to kit out a given unit of Tactical Marines, but Warmahordes doesn't have that option. What you see is what you get; units have the weapons and characteristics printed for the point cost listed, nothing more and nothing less.		However, in Warmahordes, there are almost no options for unit customization. A Warhammer 40k player might spend half an hour deliberating over exactly how to kit out a given unit of Tactical Marines, but Warmahordes doesn't have that option. What you see is what you get; units have the weapons and characteristics printed for the point cost listed, nothing more and nothing less.

72.21.196.67: /* Warmahordes */

2017-05-24T18:49:45Z

Warmahordes

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	===Warmahordes===		===Warmahordes===
	The typical troop in Warmahordes will have a statline something like this:		The typical troop in Warmahordes will have a statline something like this:
	Speed 5, Strength 5, Melee Attack 5, Ranged Attack 5, Defense 12, Armour 14, Command 8, and then a couple of weapons with individual POW ratings and special rules.		Speed 5, Strength 5, Melee Attack 6, Ranged Attack 5, Defense 12, Armour 14, Command 8, and then a couple of weapons with individual POW ratings and special rules.

	Whereas a big beasty might have a statline like this:		Whereas a big beasty might have a statline like this:
	Speed 5, Strength + Power 14, Melee Attack 5, Ranged Attack 5, Defense 11, Armour 18, Command 8, and then their weapons.		Speed 5, Strength + Power 14, Melee Attack 6, Ranged Attack 5, Defense 11, Armour 18, Command 8, and then their weapons.

	A typical ranged weapon in Warmahordes can shoot 10".		A typical ranged weapon in Warmahordes can shoot 10".

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2017-05-24T18:44:38Z

Overarching Differences

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	*Depending on point goal and army composition, and whether you're buying used or new		*Depending on point goal and army composition, and whether you're buying used or new

	As for the game itself, Warmahordes is generally more comparable to Warhammer Fantasy than 40k. The biggest comparison that could be drawn between them is that Warmahordes loves melee. Gunlines exist (see Cygnar), but shooting is generally a ''supplemental'' option rather than the bulk of your army. Ranged units exist to soften targets up for the melee heavy hitters, rather than to wipe entire squads from the board. Warmahordes armies also love to charge the enemy, and the game will often swing on one side or the other finding a better time to run screaming into the enemy's face. Aggression is key, to the point that the game's official tagline is ''PLAY LIKE YOU GOT A PAIR!''		As for the game itself, Warmahordes is generally more comparable to Warhammer Fantasy than 40k. The biggest comparison that could be drawn between them is that Warmahordes loves melee. Gunlines exist (see Cygnar), but shooting is generally a ''supplemental'' option rather than the bulk of your army. Ranged units exist to soften targets up for the melee heavy hitters, rather than to wipe entire squads from the board. Warmahordes armies also love to charge the enemy, and the game will often swing on one side or the other finding a better time to run screaming into the enemy's face. Aggression is key, to the point that the game's former official tagline was ''PLAY LIKE YOU GOT A PAIR!''

	Warmahordes also places a greater emphasis on your command units than Warhammer. In most scenarios, losing your warcaster or warlock means instant defeat, as if your opponent had taken your king in a game of chess. Even in games where it doesn't mean instant loss, it usually means ''definite'' loss, because your warjacks will shut down and your warbeasts go crazy if the warnoun controlling them suddenly evaporates. Warmahordes armies have to strike a balance of aggression and defense in order to inflict crippling damage while preventing an embarrassing defeat from an unexpected bombing run on that squishy wizard in the back.		Warmahordes also places a greater emphasis on your command units than Warhammer. In most scenarios, losing your warcaster or warlock means instant defeat, as if your opponent had taken your king in a game of chess. Even in games where it doesn't mean instant loss, it usually means ''definite'' loss, because your warjacks will shut down and your warbeasts go crazy if the warnoun controlling them suddenly evaporates. Warmahordes armies have to strike a balance of aggression and defense in order to inflict crippling damage while preventing an embarrassing defeat from an unexpected bombing run on that squishy wizard in the back.

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2016-04-09T13:00:50Z

40k Gameplay

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	10. The unit that took the most wounds needs to pass a leadership test by rolling lower that its (Leadership - (wounds taken - wounds given)) on 2d6 or run away.		10. The unit that took the most wounds needs to pass a leadership test by rolling lower that its (Leadership - (wounds taken - wounds given)) on 2d6 or run away.
	Example unit 1 has Ld 8, dealt 7 wounds and took 5. It must roll lower than 6 on 2d6. 6 because its Ld of (8-(7-5))=6.		Example unit 1 has Ld 8, dealt 5 wounds and took 7. It must roll lower than 6 on 2d6. 6 because its Ld of (8-(7-5))=6.

	Against vehicles instead of rolling against toughness d6 is added to the strength of the weapon, if the total is higher than the vehicle's armour the vehicle is damaged.		Against vehicles instead of rolling against toughness d6 is added to the strength of the weapon, if the total is higher than the vehicle's armour the vehicle is damaged.

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2015-12-07T11:20:18Z

Overarching Differences

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	In terms of metagame differences, Warmahordes games tend to be much shorter and less time-consuming than Warhammer. It's also much cheaper to build an army for, and therefore makes you less of a tool for trying to get your friends into it.		In terms of metagame differences, Warmahordes games tend to be much shorter and less time-consuming than Warhammer. It's also much cheaper* to build an army for, and therefore makes you less of a tool for trying to get your friends into it.
			*Depending on point goal and army composition, and whether you're buying used or new

	As for the game itself, Warmahordes is generally more comparable to Warhammer Fantasy than 40k. The biggest comparison that could be drawn between them is that Warmahordes loves melee. Gunlines exist (see Cygnar), but shooting is generally a ''supplemental'' option rather than the bulk of your army. Ranged units exist to soften targets up for the melee heavy hitters, rather than to wipe entire squads from the board. Warmahordes armies also love to charge the enemy, and the game will often swing on one side or the other finding a better time to run screaming into the enemy's face. Aggression is key, to the point that the game's official tagline is ''PLAY LIKE YOU GOT A PAIR!''		As for the game itself, Warmahordes is generally more comparable to Warhammer Fantasy than 40k. The biggest comparison that could be drawn between them is that Warmahordes loves melee. Gunlines exist (see Cygnar), but shooting is generally a ''supplemental'' option rather than the bulk of your army. Ranged units exist to soften targets up for the melee heavy hitters, rather than to wipe entire squads from the board. Warmahordes armies also love to charge the enemy, and the game will often swing on one side or the other finding a better time to run screaming into the enemy's face. Aggression is key, to the point that the game's official tagline is ''PLAY LIKE YOU GOT A PAIR!''

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2015-06-29T23:27:41Z

Cost and Models

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	However, in Warmahordes, there are almost no options for unit customization. A Warhammer 40k player might spend half an hour deliberating over exactly how to kit out a given unit of Tactical Marines, but Warmahordes doesn't have that option. What you see is what you get; units have the weapons and characteristics printed for the point cost listed, nothing more and nothing less.		However, in Warmahordes, there are almost no options for unit customization. A Warhammer 40k player might spend half an hour deliberating over exactly how to kit out a given unit of Tactical Marines, but Warmahordes doesn't have that option. What you see is what you get; units have the weapons and characteristics printed for the point cost listed, nothing more and nothing less.

	The only real option for unit customization is the ability to include Unit ~~Add-Ons~~, most commonly referred to as UAs. These are a couple of extra models (usually an officer and a standard bearer for infantry) that can be stuck onto the unit for a handful of extra points, and usually come with a couple of bonus special rules for their comrades. Some units also have Weapon ~~attachments~~, which add more firepower or versatility to a unit.		The only real option for unit customization is the ability to include Unit Attachments, most commonly referred to as UAs. These are a couple of extra models (usually an officer and a standard bearer for infantry) that can be stuck onto the unit for a handful of extra points, and usually come with a couple of bonus special rules for their comrades. Some units also have Weapon Attachments (WAs), which add more firepower or versatility to a unit.

	===Rolling===		===Rolling===