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	The '''Warpriest''' can refer to either of two classes from the [[Dungeons & Dragons]] family tree.		The '''Warpriest''' can refer to either of two classes from the [[Dungeons & Dragons]] family tree.

	==4e==		==Dungeons & Dragons==
			===3rd Edition===
			{{D&D3e-Prestige Classes}}
			===4th Ediditon===
	[[File:Falon warpriest.jpg\|left\|200px\|thumb]]		[[File:Falon warpriest.jpg\|left\|200px\|thumb]]
	In [[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition]], the Warpriest is one of several [[Variant Class]]es created for the Essentials lineup. Introduced in the Heroes of the Fallen Lands splatbook, the Warpriest is built on a [[Cleric]] chassis, and is described as a more martial branch of the faith than the standard cleric; whilst not a full-fledged [[Paladin]], it is more "smashy" than a typical cleric, relying on a combination of heavy armor and weapon's skill backed by divine magic; this lets it dabble in Defender from its trademark Leader role. The intent is to make a "simpler" version of the Cleric (which would be rebranded as the "[[Templar]]" in Dragon #399) for newbie players by abandoning the [[AEDU System]]... most people think they failed.		In [[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition]], the Warpriest is one of several [[Variant Class]]es created for the Essentials lineup. Introduced in the Heroes of the Fallen Lands splatbook, the Warpriest is built on a [[Cleric]] chassis, and is described as a more martial branch of the faith than the standard cleric; whilst not a full-fledged [[Paladin]], it is more "smashy" than a typical cleric, relying on a combination of heavy armor and weapon's skill backed by divine magic; this lets it dabble in Defender from its trademark Leader role. The intent is to make a "simpler" version of the Cleric (which would be rebranded as the "[[Templar]]" in Dragon #399) for newbie players by abandoning the [[AEDU System]]... most people think they failed.
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	==[[Pathfinder]]==		==Pathfinder==
	[[File:Divine commander.jpg\|right\|300px]]		[[File:Divine commander.jpg\|right\|300px]]
	The Warpriest here is a "Hybrid class" between [[Fighter]] and [[Cleric]] that was introduced in the ''Advanced Class Guide''.		The Warpriest here is a "Hybrid class" between [[Fighter]] and [[Cleric]] that was introduced in the ''Advanced Class Guide''.
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	[[File:Oloch.jpg\|thumb\|left\|300px\|Oloch, the iconic Warpriest]]		[[File:Oloch.jpg\|thumb\|left\|300px\|Oloch, the iconic Warpriest]]
	===Archetypes===		====Archetypes====
	The Warpriest isn't hurting for a particular archetype to patch up the flaws, but there are those that grant some special utilities as well as unique perks.		The Warpriest isn't hurting for a particular archetype to patch up the flaws, but there are those that grant some special utilities as well as unique perks.

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	*Arsenal Chaplain trades out your second blessing and medicore Sacred Armor for an improved version of the War blessing. More importantly it trades out the (almost always pointless) ability to channel energy with Fervor uses with the Fighter's weapon training, which is a massive damage and to-hit increase when paired with Gloves of Dueling. Since your Warpriest level count as a fighter level for feats, this also lets you pick the Advanced Weapon Training which lets you do some really cool stuff. So good its considered the default Warpriest for optimization.		*Arsenal Chaplain trades out your second blessing and medicore Sacred Armor for an improved version of the War blessing. More importantly it trades out the (almost always pointless) ability to channel energy with Fervor uses with the Fighter's weapon training, which is a massive damage and to-hit increase when paired with Gloves of Dueling. Since your Warpriest level count as a fighter level for feats, this also lets you pick the Advanced Weapon Training which lets you do some really cool stuff. So good its considered the default Warpriest for optimization.

	===Spheres of Power===		====Spheres of Power====
	The Sphere Warpriest maintains its Mid Caster mechanics, and gains Life or Death depending on their alignment (good gains Life, evil gains Death), similar to a Cleric. Fervor also has changed, letting them use a self-targetting sphere ability for free; including making auras selfish. Strange, but okay.		The Sphere Warpriest maintains its Mid Caster mechanics, and gains Life or Death depending on their alignment (good gains Life, evil gains Death), similar to a Cleric. Fervor also has changed, letting them use a self-targetting sphere ability for free; including making auras selfish. Strange, but okay.

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	====Why they suck in Second Edition====		====Why they suck in Second Edition====

	Unfortunately, the Warpriest in Pathfinder 2e is kind of shit. For instance: A Warpriest only gets Expert proficiency in their weapons. They will never be able to upgrade to Master proficiency, thus they will always lag behind all other martial classes and they get Expert proficiency 2 levels after martial classes. Secondly, while they do get armor proficiencies, like their weapons they only go up to Expert. Which means that while you have slightly higher AC than a normal cleric, you still have worse defenses than a proper frontline class. Thirdly, they lose out on Legendary proficiency with spellcasting. They can only get up to Master proficiency at level '19', the level where most other spellcasters get Legendary proficiency and well after most campaigns end.		Unfortunately, the Warpriest in Pathfinder 2e is kind of shit. For instance: A Warpriest only gets Expert proficiency in their weapons. They will never be able to upgrade to Master proficiency, thus they will always lag behind all other martial classes and they get Expert proficiency 2 levels after martial classes. Secondly, while they do get armor proficiencies, like their weapons they only go up to Expert. Which means that while you have slightly higher AC than a normal cleric, you still have worse defenses than a proper frontline class. Thirdly, they lose out on Legendary proficiency with spellcasting. They can only get up to Master proficiency at level '19', the level where most other spellcasters get Legendary proficiency and well after most campaigns end.

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	==4e==		==4e==
	[[File:Falon warpriest.jpg\|left\|200px]]		[[File:Falon warpriest.jpg\|left\|200px\|thumb]]
	In [[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition]], the Warpriest is one of several [[Variant Class]]es created for the Essentials lineup. Introduced in the Heroes of the Fallen Lands splatbook, the Warpriest is built on a [[Cleric]] chassis, and is described as a more martial branch of the faith than the standard cleric; whilst not a full-fledged [[Paladin]], it is more "smashy" than a typical cleric, relying on a combination of heavy armor and weapon's skill backed by divine magic; this lets it dabble in Defender from its trademark Leader role. The intent is to make a "simpler" version of the Cleric (which would be rebranded as the "[[Templar]]" in Dragon #399) for newbie players by abandoning the [[AEDU System]]... most people think they failed.		In [[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition]], the Warpriest is one of several [[Variant Class]]es created for the Essentials lineup. Introduced in the Heroes of the Fallen Lands splatbook, the Warpriest is built on a [[Cleric]] chassis, and is described as a more martial branch of the faith than the standard cleric; whilst not a full-fledged [[Paladin]], it is more "smashy" than a typical cleric, relying on a combination of heavy armor and weapon's skill backed by divine magic; this lets it dabble in Defender from its trademark Leader role. The intent is to make a "simpler" version of the Cleric (which would be rebranded as the "[[Templar]]" in Dragon #399) for newbie players by abandoning the [[AEDU System]]... most people think they failed.

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	====Why they suck in Second Edition====		====Why they suck in Second Edition====

	Unfortunately, the Warpriest in Pathfinder 2e is kind of shit. For ~~starters, a~~ Warpriest only gets Expert proficiency in their weapons. They will never be able to upgrade to Master proficiency, ~~and~~ thus will always lag behind all other martial classes -- and they get Expert proficiency 2 levels after martial classes. Secondly, while they do get armor proficiencies, like their weapons they only go up to Expert. Which means that while you have slightly higher AC than a normal cleric, you still have worse defenses than a proper frontline class. Thirdly, they lose out on Legendary proficiency with spellcasting. They can only get up to Master proficiency at level ''19'', the level where most other spellcasters get Legendary proficiency and well after most campaigns end.		Unfortunately, the Warpriest in Pathfinder 2e is kind of shit. For instance: A Warpriest only gets Expert proficiency in their weapons. They will never be able to upgrade to Master proficiency, thus they will always lag behind all other martial classes and they get Expert proficiency 2 levels after martial classes. Secondly, while they do get armor proficiencies, like their weapons they only go up to Expert. Which means that while you have slightly higher AC than a normal cleric, you still have worse defenses than a proper frontline class. Thirdly, they lose out on Legendary proficiency with spellcasting. They can only get up to Master proficiency at level '19', the level where most other spellcasters get Legendary proficiency and well after most campaigns end.

	So you have a subclass that is worse at hitting enemies with weapons than martials~~, worse~~ at tanking damage than a frontliner~~, and~~ worse at spellcasting than a cloistered cleric. So what good is a Warpriest? Not very much in it's current form. Like the many attempts of making [[gish\|hybrid classes of martial classes and spellcasters]], its hard to make a class that is strong at both without making it overpowered, so instead they nerfed it to the point that it's underpowered. Not to mention that Warpriest lacks proper feat support to help them keep up.		So you have a subclass that is worse at hitting enemies with weapons than martials and at tanking damage than a frontliner. And worse at spellcasting than a cloistered cleric. So what good is a Warpriest? Not very much in it's current form. Like the many attempts of making [[gish\|hybrid classes of martial classes and spellcasters]], its hard to make a class that is strong at both without making it overpowered, so instead they nerfed it to the point that it's underpowered. Not to mention that Warpriest lacks proper feat support to help them keep up.

	Given better feats and stronger proficiencies, either in armor or weaponry (but not both), the warpriest could be worth it. If you're really desperate to play a frontline cleric right now though, it's better to just play cloistered cleric and multiclass in [[Fighter]] or [[paladin\|Champion]].		Given better feats and stronger proficiencies, either in armor or weaponry (but not both), the warpriest could be worth it. If you're really desperate to play a frontline cleric right now though, it's better to just play cloistered cleric and multiclass in [[Fighter]] or [[paladin\|Champion]].

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	The Warpriest here is a "Hybrid class" between [[Fighter]] and [[Cleric]] that was introduced in the ''Advanced Class Guide''.		The Warpriest here is a "Hybrid class" between [[Fighter]] and [[Cleric]] that was introduced in the ''Advanced Class Guide''.

	While it isn't particularly as good as the parent classes in their dedicated areas of expertise (Pure fighting or pure casting/channeling), it offers a good balance between them the two by having 6th level casting, a decent BAB, and two good saves (Fort and Will)~~. This as well as~~ their lack of requisite alignments made them a sort of "smart paladin". Practically all warpriests have a few gimmicks. First, they can force a weapon to deal a designated amount of damage, making simple weapons or unusual tools not-shit for fighting, and later levels let you improve both your weapon and armor as well. Second, they pick two pseudo-domains called Blessings (as in they are domains, but not the same as a cleric's and lack extra spells) at creation and gain access to powerful buffs they can throw around, though they lack the non-combat utility of domains. Finally, they gain access to Fervor, their Wis-based equivalent to Lay on Hands, except they can do negative energy as well and they get the cleric's spontaneous casting of cure/inflict wounds alongside Channel Energy (however, since this is all Wis-based, it interacts very weirdly [[RAW]] with feats for channel energy), but you should never use it for that. The ''real'' use of fervor is being able to expend a use to cast self-buffs as a swift-action. On top of all that, you're part fighter and you know what that means: extra combat feats, though not as many as the original but they do let you consider your BAB as full for requirements. The Human favored class allows you to get 1/6th of an extra feat, though even at level 18 you're still behind (though this does mean Toughness/Cunning/Eclectic+retraining your FCB is strictly better than any combat feat past level 6)		While it isn't particularly as good as the parent classes in their dedicated areas of expertise (Pure fighting or pure casting/channeling), it offers a good balance between them the two by having 6th level casting, a decent BAB, and two good saves (Fort and Will); their lack of requisite alignments made them a sort of "smart paladin". Practically all warpriests have a few gimmicks: First, they can force a weapon to deal a designated amount of damage, making simple weapons or unusual tools not-shit for fighting, and later levels let you improve both your weapon and armor as well. Second, they pick two pseudo-domains called Blessings (as in they are domains, but not the same as a cleric's and lack extra spells) at creation and gain access to powerful buffs they can throw around, though they lack the non-combat utility of domains. Finally, they gain access to Fervor, their Wis-based equivalent to Lay on Hands, except they can do negative energy as well and they get the cleric's spontaneous casting of cure/inflict wounds alongside Channel Energy (however, since this is all Wis-based, it interacts very weirdly [[RAW]] with feats for channel energy), but you should never use it for that. The ''real'' use of fervor is being able to expend a use to cast self-buffs as a swift-action. On top of all that, you're part fighter and you know what that means: extra combat feats, though not as many as the original but they do let you consider your BAB as full for requirements. The Human favored class allows you to get 1/6th of an extra feat, though even at level 18 you're still behind (though this does mean Toughness/Cunning/Eclectic+retraining your FCB is strictly better than any combat feat past level 6)

	~~All in all, they've got~~ good utility, and are pretty good frontline buffers ~~and~~ healers, while also dealing fair damage. Don't ~~actually~~ waste time buffing your teammates in battle ~~though. Your~~ fervor swift action is best used to overbuff yourself during a fight with spells like channel vigor and divine favor. You will find that as properly built warpriest ~~you~~ can out DPR most classes while still staying in the fight thanks to free healing and patch spell cleric list provides. If your Blessings give you a summoning ability at level 10, you can also call on them to help out.		They have good utility and are pretty good frontline buffers/healers while also dealing fair damage. Don't waste time buffing your teammates in battle; your fervor swift action is best used to overbuff yourself during a fight with spells like channel vigor and divine favor. You will find that a properly built warpriest can out DPR most classes while still staying in the fight thanks to free healing and patch spell cleric list provides. If your Blessings give you a summoning ability at level 10, you can also call on them to help out.

	Warpriest is a [[Tier System\|tier 3]] class. It's capable of smashing things quite well, and its spell list has enough versatility it won't feel left out if that's not appropriate. It lacks the ability of a true Cleric to break the game without a lot of effort.		Warpriest is a [[Tier System\|tier 3]] class. It's capable of smashing things quite well, and its spell list has enough versatility it won't feel left out if that's not appropriate. It lacks the ability of a true Cleric to break the game without a lot of effort.

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 *The Shield Bearer archetype pretty much turns your shield into your ultimate weapon, making channel energy shoot out as a cone from it and getting the ability to improve its combat usage.
 *Arsenal Chaplain trades out your second blessing and medicore Sacred Armor for an improved version of the War blessing. More importantly it trades out the (almost always pointless) ability to channel energy with Fervor uses with the Fighter's weapon training, which is a massive damage and to-hit increase when paired with Gloves of Dueling. Since your Warpriest level count as a fighter level for feats, this also lets you pick the Advanced Weapon Training which lets you do some really cool stuff. So good its considered the default Warpriest for optimization.
 ===[[Pathfinder Second Edition]]===
 Because of their similarities, Warpriest was reintegrated as a class defining option for Cleric made at level 1. You trade a quicker growth for spell casting power and Unique domain spells, to be a melee warrior with full spell progression, gaining proficiency in armor and martial weapons.

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	In Second Edition, Warpriest is a subclass of the Cleric in the core rulebook.		In Second Edition, Warpriest is a subclass of the Cleric in the core rulebook.

	[[File:Oloch.jpg\|left\|300px]]		[[File:Oloch.jpg\|thumb\|left\|300px\|Oloch, the iconic Warpriest]]
	===Archetypes===		===Archetypes===
	The Warpriest isn't hurting for a particular archetype to patch up the flaws, but there are those that grant some special utilities as well as unique perks.		The Warpriest isn't hurting for a particular archetype to patch up the flaws, but there are those that grant some special utilities as well as unique perks.

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	So you have a subclass that is worse at hitting enemies with weapons than martials, worse at tanking damage than a frontliner, and worse at spellcasting than a cloistered cleric. So what good is a Warpriest? Not very much in it's current form. Like the many attempts of making [[gish\|hybrid classes of martial classes and spellcasters]], its hard to make a class that is strong at both without making it overpowered, so instead they nerfed it to the point that it's underpowered. Not to mention that Warpriest lacks proper feat support to help them keep up.		So you have a subclass that is worse at hitting enemies with weapons than martials, worse at tanking damage than a frontliner, and worse at spellcasting than a cloistered cleric. So what good is a Warpriest? Not very much in it's current form. Like the many attempts of making [[gish\|hybrid classes of martial classes and spellcasters]], its hard to make a class that is strong at both without making it overpowered, so instead they nerfed it to the point that it's underpowered. Not to mention that Warpriest lacks proper feat support to help them keep up.

	Given better feats and stronger proficiencies, either in armor or weaponry (but not both), the warpriest could be worth it. If you're really desperate to play a frontline cleric, it's better to just play cloistered cleric and multiclass in [[Fighter]] or [[paladin\|Champion]].		Given better feats and stronger proficiencies, either in armor or weaponry (but not both), the warpriest could be worth it. If you're really desperate to play a frontline cleric right now though, it's better to just play cloistered cleric and multiclass in [[Fighter]] or [[paladin\|Champion]].

	{{Pathfinder-1st-Edition-Classes}}		{{Pathfinder-1st-Edition-Classes}}
	{{Pathfinder-2nd-Edition-Classes}}		{{Pathfinder-2nd-Edition-Classes}}

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	Unfortunately, the Warpriest in Pathfinder 2e is kind of shit. For starters, a Warpriest only gets Expert proficiency in their weapons. They will never be able to upgrade to Master proficiency, and thus will always lag behind all other martial classes -- and they get Expert proficiency 2 levels after martial classes. Secondly, while they do get armor proficiencies, like their weapons they only go up to Expert. Which means that while you have slightly higher AC than a normal cleric, you still have worse defenses than a proper frontline class. Thirdly, they lose out on Legendary proficiency with spellcasting. They can only get up to Master proficiency at level ''19'', the level where most other spellcasters get Legendary proficiency and well after most campaigns end.		Unfortunately, the Warpriest in Pathfinder 2e is kind of shit. For starters, a Warpriest only gets Expert proficiency in their weapons. They will never be able to upgrade to Master proficiency, and thus will always lag behind all other martial classes -- and they get Expert proficiency 2 levels after martial classes. Secondly, while they do get armor proficiencies, like their weapons they only go up to Expert. Which means that while you have slightly higher AC than a normal cleric, you still have worse defenses than a proper frontline class. Thirdly, they lose out on Legendary proficiency with spellcasting. They can only get up to Master proficiency at level ''19'', the level where most other spellcasters get Legendary proficiency and well after most campaigns end.

	So you have a subclass that is worse ~~than martials~~ at hitting enemies with weapons, worse at tanking damage than a frontliner, and worse at spellcasting than a cloistered cleric. So what good is a Warpriest? Not very much in it's current form. Like the many attempts of making [[gish\|hybrid classes of martial classes and spellcasters]], its hard to make a class that is strong at both without making it overpowered, so instead they nerfed it to the point that it's underpowered. Not to mention that Warpriest lacks proper feat support to help them keep up.		So you have a subclass that is worse at hitting enemies with weapons than martials, worse at tanking damage than a frontliner, and worse at spellcasting than a cloistered cleric. So what good is a Warpriest? Not very much in it's current form. Like the many attempts of making [[gish\|hybrid classes of martial classes and spellcasters]], its hard to make a class that is strong at both without making it overpowered, so instead they nerfed it to the point that it's underpowered. Not to mention that Warpriest lacks proper feat support to help them keep up.

	Given better feats and stronger proficiencies, either in armor or weaponry (but not both), the warpriest could be worth it. If you're really desperate to play a frontline cleric, it's better to just play cloistered cleric and multiclass in [[Fighter]] or [[paladin\|Champion]].		Given better feats and stronger proficiencies, either in armor or weaponry (but not both), the warpriest could be worth it. If you're really desperate to play a frontline cleric, it's better to just play cloistered cleric and multiclass in [[Fighter]] or [[paladin\|Champion]].