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	The [[Land Raider Helios]] takes its name from having this type of launcher.		The [[Land Raider Helios]] takes its name from having this type of launcher.

	On the tabletop, ~~whirlwind helioi~~ are generally best fielded in units. Taking a squad of three grants Shred and Pinning to the entire group and ruins the day of anything short of a monstrous creature. Adding in a spotting [[land speeder]] gives the group unlimited range and re-rolls to hit.		On the tabletop, Whirlwind Helios are generally best fielded in units. Taking a squad of three grants Shred and Pinning to the entire group and ruins the day of anything short of a monstrous creature. Adding in a spotting [[land speeder]] gives the group unlimited range and re-rolls to hit.

	Off the tabletop, these things are hard to get a hold of. It's generally easier and cheaper to get a hold of one of the Forge World variants, and that should tell you something. Converting a Rhino is generally easier.		Off the tabletop, these things are hard to get a hold of. It's generally easier and cheaper to get a hold of one of the Forge World variants, and that should tell you something. Converting a Rhino is generally easier.

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	Unfortunately those are the Hyperios's only advantages as it's basically still only an anti-air krak missile so it has negligible ability to take out a flying vehicle when used unsupported. The Stalker at least fills the air with dakka much like a [[Hydra Flak Tank\|Hydra]] does, while the Hunter has added range, Armourbane, AP2 and that crazy homing rule that means it never misses which makes it quite threatening.		Unfortunately those are the Hyperios's only advantages as it's basically still only an anti-air krak missile so it has negligible ability to take out a flying vehicle when used unsupported. The Stalker at least fills the air with dakka much like a [[Hydra Flak Tank\|Hydra]] does, while the Hunter has added range, Armourbane, AP2 and that crazy homing rule that means it never misses which makes it quite threatening.

	It also costs 35-40 points more than the other two AA tanks that marines get, so basically the Hyperios should be avoided and proxied as a normal whirlwind. To be worth its current points cost it would need to shoot at least three of those krak missiles mathematically, and to be worth an equal cost it would need to shoot at least two. Of course this isn't accounting for trickier to price factors like interceptor, the split fire capability of the Stalker, or the Homing capacity of the Hunter.		It also costs 35-40 points more than the other two AA tanks that marines get, so basically the Hyperios should be avoided and proxied as a normal whirlwind. To be worth its current points cost it would need to shoot at least three of those krak missiles mathematically, and to be worth an equal cost it would need to shoot at least two. On paper that is doable thanks to interceptor, mean that if it can last until the end of your opponents next turn it can get off that second shot, (having gotten it's first off when the flyer first arrived via interceptor) but even so it's not that potent a shot. Of course this isn't accounting for trickier to price factors like interceptor, the split fire capability of the Stalker, or the Homing capacity of the Hunter.

	That said... it's the only AA '''TANK''' that [[Space Wolves]], [[Dark Angels]] and (current) [[Blood Angels]] get access to, since Vanilla marines keep all the cool toys to themselves.		That said... it's the only AA '''TANK''' that [[Space Wolves]], [[Dark Angels]] and (current) [[Blood Angels]] get access to, since Vanilla marines keep all the cool toys to themselves.

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	==Whirlwind Hyperios==		==Whirlwind Hyperios==
	[[File:Whirlwind_Hyperios.jpg\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Whirlwind Hyperios]]		[[File:Whirlwind_Hyperios.jpg\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Whirlwind Hyperios]]
	Produced by [[Forge World]], the Hyperios-pattern launcher uses a different targeting system and fires anti-air rockets (after attempts to use anti-air rockets in the Helios launcher proved "disastrous").		Produced by [[Forge World]], the [[Hyperios Missile Launcher\|Hyperios-pattern launcher]] uses a different targeting system and fires anti-air rockets (after attempts to use anti-air rockets in the Helios launcher proved "disastrous").

	Rules are printed in various Imperial Armour (most recent IA2:2nd) and Horus Heresy books by Forgeworld.		Rules are printed in various Imperial Armour (most recent IA2:2nd) and Horus Heresy books by Forgeworld.

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	==Whirlwind Helios==		==Whirlwind Helios==
	[[File:SM Space Marine Whirlwind.jpg\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Whirlwind Helios]]		[[File:SM Space Marine Whirlwind.jpg\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Whirlwind Helios]]
	The default Helios-pattern launcher (named for the [[Forge World]] which manufactures it) fires anti-infantry missiles, giving the Space Marines anti-horde support. They don't use this tank in the way that most [[Imperial Guard]] armies use their artillery; while IG artillery supplies sustained bombardment of static positions (enemy forts, armies, cities, etc.), the Whirlwind fires a quick barrage of devastating firepower to support Space Marines who need it, and then moves on to the next trouble spot.		The default Helios-pattern launcher (named for the [[Forge World]] which manufactures it) fires anti-infantry missiles, giving the Space Marines anti-horde support. They don't use this tank in the way that most [[Imperial Guard]] armies use their artillery; while IG artillery supplies sustained bombardment of static positions (enemy forts, armies, cities, etc.), the Whirlwind fires a quick barrage of devastating firepower to support Space Marines who need it, and then moves on to the next trouble spot.
	The launcher has 2 types of missiles. The first, the imposing Vengeance missile is like a baby basilisk cannon at S5 AP4 meaning it will lol straight through any GEQ army but will just bounce off a MEQ. Its little brother, incendiary castellan, is weaker, the same stats as a frag missile, but has the ignores cover special rule. Perfect for taking out those pesky [[Tau]] pathfinders and telling the Daemons of nurgle or Venom/Malanthrope spamming Tyranids exactly which hole they can shove their shrouded up.		The launcher has 2 types of missiles. The first, the imposing Vengeance missile is like a baby basilisk cannon at S5 AP4 meaning it will lol straight through any GEQ army but will just bounce off a MEQ. Its little brother, incendiary castellan, is weaker, the same stats as a frag missile, but has the ignores cover special rule. Perfect for taking out those pesky [[Tau]] pathfinders and telling the Daemons of nurgle or Venom/Malanthrope spamming Tyranids exactly which hole they can shove their shrouded up.

	While there aren't rules for them anymore, the launchers can also fire "standard" castellan rounds. These missiles are weighted to burrow into the ground, leaving long sensors trailing from the top. This allows the whirlwind to fire minefields against an approaching foe.		While there aren't rules for them anymore, the launchers can also fire "standard" castellan rounds. These missiles are weighted to burrow into the ground, leaving long sensors trailing from the top. This allows the whirlwind to fire minefields against an approaching foe.

	The [[Land Raider Helios]] takes its name from having this type of launcher.		The [[Land Raider Helios]] takes its name from having this type of launcher.
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	On the tabletop, Whirlwind Helios are generally best fielded in units. Taking a squad of three grants Shred and Pinning to the entire group and ruins the day of anything short of a monstrous creature. Adding in a spotting [[land speeder]] gives the group unlimited range and re-rolls to hit.		On the tabletop, Whirlwind Helios are generally best fielded in units. Taking a squad of three grants Shred and Pinning to the entire group and ruins the day of anything short of a monstrous creature. Adding in a spotting [[land speeder]] gives the group unlimited range and re-rolls to hit.

	Off the tabletop, these things are hard to get a hold of. It's generally easier and cheaper to get a hold of one of the Forge World variants, and that should tell you something. Converting a Rhino is generally easier.		Off the tabletop, these things are hard to get a hold of. It's generally easier and cheaper to get a hold of one of the Forge World variants, and that should tell you something. Converting a Rhino is generally easier.

	8th Edition		8th Edition
	The Whirlwind has lost the ability to be fielded in squads and has to pay command points for the land speeder support. For armament, the vengeance missiles now hit like Autocannons with 2d3 shots and the castellans have lost their incendiary nature but have gone up to S6 with 2d6 shots. The whirlwind cannot change firing modes over the course of the game, however.		The Whirlwind has lost the ability to be fielded in squads and has to pay command points for the land speeder support. For armament, the vengeance missiles now hit like Autocannons with 2d3 shots and the castellans have lost their incendiary nature but have gone up to S6 with 2d6 shots. The whirlwind cannot change firing modes over the course of the game, however.

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	Unfortunately those are the Hyperios's only advantages as it's basically still only an anti-air krak missile so it has negligible ability to take out a flying vehicle when used unsupported. The Stalker at least fills the air with dakka much like a [[Hydra Flak Tank\|Hydra]] does, while the Hunter has added range, Armourbane, AP2 and that crazy homing rule that means it never misses which makes it quite threatening.		Unfortunately those are the Hyperios's only advantages as it's basically still only an anti-air krak missile so it has negligible ability to take out a flying vehicle when used unsupported. The Stalker at least fills the air with dakka much like a [[Hydra Flak Tank\|Hydra]] does, while the Hunter has added range, Armourbane, AP2 and that crazy homing rule that means it never misses which makes it quite threatening.

	It also costs 35-40 points more than the other two AA tanks that marines get, so basically the Hyperios should be avoided and proxied as a normal whirlwind. To be worth its current points cost it would need to shoot at least three of those krak missiles mathematically, and to be worth an equal cost it would need to shoot at least two. On paper that is doable thanks to interceptor, mean that if it can last until the end of your opponents next turn it can get off that second shot, (having gotten it's first off when the flyer first arrived via interceptor) but even so it's not that potent a shot. Of course this isn't accounting for trickier to price factors like interceptor, the split fire capability of the Stalker, or the Homing capacity of the Hunter.		It also costs 35-40 points more than the other two AA tanks that marines get, so basically the Hyperios should be avoided and proxied as a normal whirlwind. To be worth its current points cost it would need to shoot at least three of those krak missiles mathematically, and to be worth an equal cost it would need to shoot at least two. On paper that is doable thanks to interceptor, mean that if it can last until the end of your opponents next turn it can get off that second shot, (having gotten it's first off when the flyer first arrived via interceptor) but even so it's not that potent a shot. Of course this isn't accounting for trickier to price factors like interceptor, the split fire capability of the Stalker, or the Homing capacity of the Hunter.

	That said... it's the only AA '''TANK''' that [[Space Wolves]], [[Dark Angels]] and (current) [[Blood Angels]] get access to, since Vanilla marines keep all the cool toys to themselves.		That said... it's the only AA '''TANK''' that [[Space Wolves]], [[Dark Angels]] and (current) [[Blood Angels]] get access to, since Vanilla marines keep all the cool toys to themselves.
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	==Deimos Pattern Whirlwind Scorpius==		==Deimos Pattern Whirlwind Scorpius==
	[[File:Whirlwind_Scorpius.png\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Whirlwind Scorpius]]		[[File:Whirlwind_Scorpius.png\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Whirlwind Scorpius]]
	The Scorpius pattern is also made by Forge World for the [[Horus Heresy]] line but was added as a "Relic" option for 40k armies, based on the old-style missile launchers from the [[Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader]] days (scaled up for a vehicle's size). The so called [[Scorpius Launcher]] is the [[Dakka\|machine gun of Imperial Missile Launchers and Missile Ordnance]]. Seriously, this monster shits out so much missiles, a barrage could be reclassified as a carpet bombing.		The Scorpius pattern is also made by Forge World for the [[Horus Heresy]] line but was added as a "Relic" option for 40k armies, based on the old-style missile launchers from the [[Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader]] days (scaled up for a vehicle's size). The so called [[Scorpius Launcher]] is the [[Dakka\|machine gun of Imperial Missile Launchers and Missile Ordnance]]. Seriously, this monster shits out so much missiles, a barrage could be reclassified as a carpet bombing.

	The only one that could out-Dakka this thing, is the [[Arcus Launcher]] mounted on the [[Sicaran Battle Tank#Sicaran Arcus\|Sicaran Arcus artillery tanks]]. Nevertheless, once this thing fires, your tarpits' ass is grass.		The only one that could out-Dakka this thing, is the [[Arcus Launcher]] mounted on the [[Sicaran Battle Tank#Sicaran Arcus\|Sicaran Arcus artillery tanks]]. Nevertheless, once this thing fires, your tarpits' ass is grass.

	On the tabletop, it stays true to its fluff. It stores S8 AP3 Blast missiles in rapid-firing rotary drums, and can fire 1+1D3 at a time if it sits still, which it should do since it is still a barrage vehicle and can fire over intervening terrain. This design is leagues better then the other designs as it can smash open light vehicles and rip straight through MEQ's due to its superior AP value and ability to fire multiple barrages at once.		On the tabletop, it stays true to its fluff. It stores S8 AP3 Blast missiles in rapid-firing rotary drums, and can fire 1+1D3 at a time if it sits still, which it should do since it is still a barrage vehicle and can fire over intervening terrain. This design is leagues better then the other designs as it can smash open light vehicles and rip straight through MEQ's due to its superior AP value and ability to fire multiple barrages at once.

	The design was commissioned by the [[Space Wolves]] to help them take [[xenos]] cities, and was intended to fight on the front lines (which is kind of weird for a barrage artillery vehicle that benefits heavily from staying still), so it has armor plating like the [[Predator Tank]], which makes it beefier than the other patterns.		The design was commissioned by the [[Space Wolves]] to help them take [[xenos]] cities, and was intended to fight on the front lines (which is kind of weird for a barrage artillery vehicle that benefits heavily from staying still), so it has armor plating like the [[Predator Tank]], which makes it beefier than the other patterns.