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	In the New World, [[Mage: The Awakening]] portrays Mages as humans who have undergone a massive spiritual awakening, breaking free of ancient shackles on the human consciousness and learning to tap into the world of higher reality behind the lies others are still bound to.		In the New World, [[Mage: The Awakening]] portrays Mages as humans who have undergone a massive spiritual awakening, breaking free of ancient shackles on the human consciousness and learning to tap into the world of higher reality behind the lies others are still bound to.

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	==In Discworld==		==In Discworld==
	The [[Discworld]] Wizards are an...interesting... bunch to say the least. Born out of a mixture of parodying [[Dungeons & Dragons]] combined with Pterry's experience with British university life and his time working on nuclear reactors, the basic idea of Discworld's wizards is that they exist to gather in all the magic-using men of the Disc (magic-using ''women'' become [[witch]]es instead) and entice them into never, ''ever'' using [[magic]], period.		The [[Discworld]] Wizards are an...interesting... bunch to say the least. Born out of a mixture of parodying [[Dungeons & Dragons]] combined with Pterry's experience with British university life and his time working on nuclear reactors, the basic idea of Discworld's wizards is that they exist to gather in all the magic-using men of the Disc (magic-using ''women'' almost always become [[witch]]es instead) and entice them into never, ''ever'' using [[magic]], period.

	Most of what we know about Discworld wizards specifically comes from the Wizards of Ankh-Morpork's Unseen University; there are ''other'' Wizarding schools, guilds, what have you elsewhere in the world, but we don't talk much about them, because a) Ankh-Morpork is where the stories are largely focused, and b) the Unseen University is full of arrogant bastards. They are the subject of their own distinct sub-series in the Discworld novels, which also overlaps with the Rincewind sub-series about the misadventures of the Disc's singularly most incompetent wizard.		Most of what we know about Discworld wizards specifically comes from the Wizards of Ankh-Morpork's Unseen University; there are ''other'' Wizarding schools, guilds, what have you elsewhere in the world, but we don't talk much about them, because a) Ankh-Morpork is where the stories are largely focused, and b) the Unseen University is full of arrogant bastards. They are the subject of their own distinct sub-series in the Discworld novels, which also overlaps with the Rincewind sub-series about the misadventures of the Disc's singularly most incompetent wizard.
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	So, in the Unseen University, the emphasis is largely on keeping wizards as disinterested in using magic as possible via plenty of luxuries and copious amounts of free food. The older wizards pretty much do nothing but eat, sleep, and try to wrangle their way out of doing anything even remotely related to working or teaching students.		So, in the Unseen University, the emphasis is largely on keeping wizards as disinterested in using magic as possible via plenty of luxuries and copious amounts of free food. The older wizards pretty much do nothing but eat, sleep, and try to wrangle their way out of doing anything even remotely related to working or teaching students.

	The argument can be made that the wizards of the Discworld have actually been rendered inadvertently superfluous to the setting's very existence. [[Witch]]es have replaced them as the practical magic-workers, and even in the Unseen University itself, wizardry is largely fading away into nothing, as younger students are instead turning to [[artificer]]ing, creating stable, reliable and actually useful [[magitek]] rather than just sitting around like a bunch of pompous, overfed jerks.		The argument can be made that the wizards of the Discworld have actually been rendered inadvertently superfluous to the setting's very existence. [[Witch]]es have replaced them as the practical magic-workers, and even in the Unseen University itself, wizardry is largely fading away into nothing, as younger students are instead turning to [[artificer]]ing, creating stable, reliable and actually useful [[magitek]] rather than just sitting around like a bunch of pompous, overfed jerks.

	==In Dungeons & Dragons==		==In Dungeons & Dragons==

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	Traditionally, the D&D wizard is what [[TVTropes]] would call a "Squishy Wizard" and a "Glass Cannon"; they can drastically change the face of battles through deft applications of the right spells, but fold like a cheap napkin soaked in grease if a [[goblin]] with a dagger gets the drop on them, due to not being able to wear armor and abysmal hitpoint values. This... hasn't really changed; wizards have gotten some more hitpoints on average and more options for protective gear, but they still remain amongst the squishiest and worst-armored members of the various classes.		Traditionally, the D&D wizard is what [[TVTropes]] would call a "Squishy Wizard" and a "Glass Cannon"; they can drastically change the face of battles through deft applications of the right spells, but fold like a cheap napkin soaked in grease if a [[goblin]] with a dagger gets the drop on them, due to not being able to wear armor and abysmal hitpoint values. This... hasn't really changed; wizards have gotten some more hitpoints on average and more options for protective gear, but they still remain amongst the squishiest and worst-armored members of the various classes.
	[[File:Attractive Wizard.jpeg\|thumb\|right\|500px\|And this, if you're into that: [http://mattrhodesart.blogspot.com/2011/09/we-are-not-taking-wizard.html Source].]]		[[File:Attractive Wizard.jpeg\|thumb\|right\|500px\|And this, if you're into that: [http://mattrhodesart.blogspot.com/2011/09/we-are-not-taking-wizard.html Source]. (Surprisingly, it predates [[Approved_Cartoons#Action\|Gravity Falls]].)]]
	Another thing that distinguishes the traditional D&D wizard is their style of magic. Known as [[Vancian Casting]], as it was inspired by the post-apocalyptic fantasy stories of one Jack Vance (which [[Gary Gygax]] was rather fond of), the basic formula works like this: a wizard has a number of spells they can cast each day, determined by their level. However, to cast those spells, they need to read and memorize them first by studying their spellbook. When they do cast one of these memorized spells, it wipes itself from their memory, so they constantly need to study their spellbooks in order to be able to keep contributing. This factor applied for the first three (and a half) editions of the game, after which things got... [[AEDU System\|different]]. [[skub\|People are quite divided about the results.]]		Another thing that distinguishes the traditional D&D wizard is their style of magic. Known as [[Vancian Casting]], as it was inspired by the post-apocalyptic fantasy stories of one Jack Vance (which [[Gary Gygax]] was rather fond of), the basic formula works like this: a wizard has a number of spells they can cast each day, determined by their level. However, to cast those spells, they need to read and memorize them first by studying their spellbook. When they do cast one of these memorized spells, it wipes itself from their memory, so they constantly need to study their spellbooks in order to be able to keep contributing. This factor applied for the first three (and a half) editions of the game, after which things got... [[AEDU System\|different]]. [[skub\|People are quite divided about the results.]]

1d4chan>QuietBrowser: Added a stub of a section for Discworld wizards; this could use expanding to be more articulate.

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Added a stub of a section for Discworld wizards; this could use expanding to be more articulate.

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	Wizards are known to [[Cybering\|put on a robe and wizard's hat]] every morning, and especially before being intimate.		Wizards are known to [[Cybering\|put on a robe and wizard's hat]] every morning, and especially before being intimate.

			==In Discworld==
			The [[Discworld]] Wizards are an...interesting... bunch to say the least. Born out of a mixture of parodying [[Dungeons & Dragons]] combined with Pterry's experience with British university life and his time working on nuclear reactors, the basic idea of Discworld's wizards is that they exist to gather in all the magic-using men of the Disc (magic-using ''women'' become [[witch]]es instead) and entice them into never, ''ever'' using [[magic]], period.

			Most of what we know about Discworld wizards specifically comes from the Wizards of Ankh-Morpork's Unseen University; there are ''other'' Wizarding schools, guilds, what have you elsewhere in the world, but we don't talk much about them, because a) Ankh-Morpork is where the stories are largely focused, and b) the Unseen University is full of arrogant bastards. They are the subject of their own distinct sub-series in the Discworld novels, which also overlaps with the Rincewind sub-series about the misadventures of the Disc's singularly most incompetent wizard.

			On the Disc, the ability to manipulate magic is an inherent trait that manifests in the eighth son of an eighth son (there was that one time where a wizard passed on his staff to the eighth ''daughter'' of an eighth son, but the novels largely ignore her existence). This creates a wizard, whose sons will be wizards in turn - and if he has an ''eighth'' son himself, what you get is a "Wizard Squared", or a [[Sorcerer\|Sourcerer]] - a being who ''emits'' magic rather than having to work with the existing magical field, which means they can basically rewrite reality as they see fit. For this reason, wizarding societies tend to heavily promote celibacy, because wizards are bad news, but sourcerers are ''trouble''.

			Being a wizard comes with the perk of being able to use [[magic]], but also a plethora of downsides. For starters, all wizards are inherently at least a little nuts - they have a strong urge towards aggressiveness and territoriality, so without distracting them, they tend to establish lone tower bases from which they can launch vicious attacks on anyone they deem a threat - mostly other wizards. This has led to a ''lot'' of collateral damage over the years and is why wizarding academies such as the Unseen University exist. Also, a wizard who carelessly uses magic may open rifts to the Dungeon Dimensions, which is somewhere between the [[Far Realm]] and the [[Warp]] - this is only ''slightly'' played for comedy and is genuinely presented as an apocalyptic threat to reality.

			So, in the Unseen University, the emphasis is largely on keeping wizards as disinterested in using magic as possible via plenty of luxuries and copious amounts of free food. The older wizards pretty much do nothing but eat, sleep, and try to wrangle their way out of doing anything even remotely related to working or teaching students.

			The argument can be made that the wizards of the Discworld have actually been rendered inadvertently superfluous to the setting's very existence. [[Witch]]es have replaced them as the practical magic-workers, and even in the Unseen University itself, wizardry is largely fading away into nothing, as younger students are instead turning to [[artificer]]ing, creating stable, reliable and actually useful [[magitek]] rather than just sitting around like a bunch of pompous, overfed jerks.

	==In Dungeons & Dragons==		==In Dungeons & Dragons==

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	==In Warhammer 40000==		==In Warhammer 40000==
	Technically, there is no magic in [[Warhammer 40,000]], but the mechanics of psionics fills much the same role. In the setting there exists an immaterial realm controlled by the forces of [[Chaos]] which can be tapped for "magic" use. Worshippers of [[Chaos]] practice Sorcery, which is a style of using rituals to draw extra psychic power beyond what they could ordinarily channel on their own from daemons who have been bartered or bound through those rituals. Races opposed to [[Chaos]] like the [[Eldar]] or the [[Imperium]] employ various psionic adepts which use their power without demonic help (and usually against the wishes of [[Chaos]]). These psykers range from being very weak to the power level of an "traditional" wizard or even mightier but must endure a permanent onslaught on their psyche, mind and very soul. Hence the more powerful a psyker is the more dangerous he lives. Through discipline and various rituals psykers can overcome some of the problems of the [[grimdark]] setting but in the end every "magic" user is under the constant threat of being possessed or torn asunder by unseen powers. The only exception to this are the [[Orks]] which technically tear themselves apart and do not regularly become possessed because <span style='color:green;font-size:110%'>GREEN IZ BEST!</span> For more details see [[Psyker]].		Technically, there is no magic in [[Warhammer 40,000]] well not per say anyway, but the mechanics of psionics fills much the same role. In the setting there exists an immaterial realm controlled by the forces of [[Chaos]] which can be tapped for "magic" use. Worshippers of [[Chaos]] practice Sorcery, which is a style of using rituals to draw extra psychic power beyond what they could ordinarily channel on their own from daemons who have been bartered or bound through those rituals. Races opposed to [[Chaos]] like the [[Eldar]] or the [[Imperium]] employ various psionic adepts which use their power without demonic help (and usually against the wishes of [[Chaos]]). These psykers range from being very weak to the power level of an "traditional" wizard or even mightier but must endure a permanent onslaught on their psyche, mind and very soul. Hence the more powerful a psyker is the more dangerous he lives. Through discipline and various rituals psykers can overcome some of the problems of the [[grimdark]] setting but in the end every "magic" user is under the constant threat of being possessed or torn asunder by unseen powers. The only exception to this are the [[Orks]] which technically tear themselves apart and do not regularly become possessed because <span style='color:green;font-size:110%'>GREEN IZ BEST!</span> For more details see [[Psyker]].

	==In The World Of Darkness==		==In The World Of Darkness==

1d4chan>QuietBrowser: Added a mention that the Warlock debuted in 3e, but I don't know what the opinion was when it came to wizard vs warlock power levels.

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	Wizards are more powerful than ever. Some says the priests usurped the wizard’s throne, but they are just [[heretics]]. While it’s true that the [[CoDzilla]] is a powerful force to be reckoned with, it is also true that wizards allow more versatility, power and the cheesiest builds. They also got a new toy to play with in the form of "metamagic" effects, that allowed them to prepare spells with special benefits, like a bigger area of effect or increased numbers, in higher level spell slots from normal.		Wizards are more powerful than ever. Some says the priests usurped the wizard’s throne, but they are just [[heretics]]. While it’s true that the [[CoDzilla]] is a powerful force to be reckoned with, it is also true that wizards allow more versatility, power and the cheesiest builds. They also got a new toy to play with in the form of "metamagic" effects, that allowed them to prepare spells with special benefits, like a bigger area of effect or increased numbers, in higher level spell slots from normal.

	3e wizards also gained a sibling in the form of the [[Sorcerer]], a "spontaneous caster" that shook up the Vancian Casting mechanic; although it could learn fewer spells than a wizard, it received more spells per day and had access to all of the spells it knew at any given time. The wizard's immense power and versatility generally gave it the leg up on the sorcerer, though, who also had problems stemming from [[Skip Williams\|in-house developer conflicts]], such as few skills on their skill list that used their casting stat, or difficulty using "metamagic" effects to modify spells.		3e wizards also gained a sibling in the form of the [[Sorcerer (Dungeons & Dragons)\|Sorcerer]], a "spontaneous caster" that shook up the Vancian Casting mechanic; although it could learn fewer spells than a wizard, it received more spells per day and had access to all of the spells it knew at any given time. The wizard's immense power and versatility generally gave it the leg up on the sorcerer, though, who also had problems stemming from [[Skip Williams\|in-house developer conflicts]], such as few skills on their skill list that used their casting stat, or difficulty using "metamagic" effects to modify spells.

	Cantrips returned in this edition, but now they were less gimmicky and were memorized from a pool of separate "Level 0" spell-slots, instead of costing you precious 1st level spell slots to memorize and to learn.		Cantrips returned in this edition, but now they were less gimmicky and were memorized from a pool of separate "Level 0" spell-slots, instead of costing you precious 1st level spell slots to memorize and to learn.

			Towards the tail-end of this edition, the wizard gained a second sibling in the form of the [[Warlock]].

			The sorcerer and the warlock inspired a number of other variant arcane spellcasters; the [[Beguiler]], the [[Binder]], the [[Dread Necromancer]], the [[Duskblade]], the [[Favored Soul]], the [[Spellthief]], the [[Truenamer]] and the [[Warmage]], plus the return of some older variants in the [[Wu jen]] and the [[Shadow Magic\|Shadowcaster]] (a renamed Shadow Mage).

	===Pathfinder===		===Pathfinder===

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	The other archetype, Cosmic Sage, lets them improve their ability to Scribe Scrolls, and gains a free implement, for the cost of using longer casting time, similar to using Spheres metamagic.		The other archetype, Cosmic Sage, lets them improve their ability to Scribe Scrolls, and gains a free implement, for the cost of using longer casting time, similar to using Spheres metamagic.

			====[[Pathfinder Second Edition\|Second Edition]]====
			Largely similar to the prior edition, a lot of the changes largely tie to fundamental changes with the system, including the pared-down spell list with rarities limiting access to some spells to GM fiat. Furthermore, the three-action economy with each component taking up an action means that you have to be a lot more tactical with how you deploy your spells. You also have to grab a bonded item rather than picking between that or a familiar. Familiars in particular saw a serious drubbing, limited to a small choice of abilities you can pull off.

			While you still have your school specializations provide an additional spell of your favored school and a special focus spell (with Universalist granting a spell of any choice, a bonus class feat and the ability to drain a magic item more than once daily), you no longer suffer penalties for learning spells of an opposing school. You also have a second subclass, giving you a particular technique or aspect to focus on:
			*'''Improved Familiar Attunement:''' Grants you a free familiar with the ability to gain extra familiar powers as you level up and the ability to effectively replace your bonded item with the familiar.
			*'''Metamagic Experimentation:''' Grants you a free metamagic feat. At level 4, you also gain a floating feat slot for a metamagic feat that lets you free up a slot for some low-level feats.
			*'''Spell Blending:''' Lets you merge two spell slots into a spell slot of higher level. The sort of thing that [[Starfinder]] and 5e has.
			*'''Spell Substitution:''' Lets you swap out a spell slot for another spell in that same slot. For fun.
			*'''Staff Nexus:''' Lets you build your own bootleg staff with some of your spells in it.

	===In 4th Edition===		===In 4th Edition===