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	[[Eldar]] -The Eldar are an old species (by old we mean 60 <s>millenia</s> <i>million</i> years at least, since they were Old One creations too) which, following the collapse of their empire, has splintered into a number of subfactions:		[[Eldar]] -The Eldar are an old species (by old we mean 60 <s>millenia</s> <i>million</i> years at least, since they were Old One creations too) which, following the collapse of their empire, has splintered into a number of subfactions:

	*[[Craftworld Eldar]] -The Eldar are the perpetually dying light in an ever darkening galaxy but even as their flame flickers they refuse to allow themselves to be extinguished, though their numbers dwindle constantly. Which has been going on for over 15. Thousand. Years. Honestly, for a dying race, coupled with their persistent [[FAIL\|defeats]], it really makes you wonder how they are still around. Many among their kind seek to rebuild their empire, and to transform their weak flame into a burning light to bring about a new dawn for their race; but if this is to be their end then they will face the growing darkness standing with blades ready in hand. Come 8th Edition and, with the obsession for trademarked names, the Craftworld Eldar are known as the Asuryani. Craftworld Eldar live, predominantly, within enormous ships known as [[Craftworlds]] that at one time served as vast trading vessels for the Empire of old. Within the Craftworlds the Eldar try to preserve what remains of their Pre-Fall history and culture as best they can but even they cannot stop the slow and inevitable degradation of time as older generations are lost and the memories of their glories pass into myth and legend. Like all Eldar, they are survivors of the calamitous event known as The Fall, which destroyed the old Eldar Empire. Those who live on the Craftworlds attempt to control and direct their emotions and psychic power in order to prevent it from corrupting them like it did their ancestors, and thus have a highly regimented social system known as the Paths, founded by the first of the Phoenix Lords; Asurmen.		*[[Craftworld Eldar]] -The Eldar are the perpetually dying light in an ever darkening galaxy but even as their flame flickers they refuse to allow themselves to be extinguished, though their numbers dwindle constantly. Which has been going on for over 15. Thousand. Years. Honestly, for a dying race, coupled with their persistent [[FAIL\|defeats]], it really makes you wonder how they are still around. (Hint: [[Gav Thorpe\|"There are as many elves as the plot demands."]]) Many among their kind seek to rebuild their empire, and to transform their weak flame into a burning light to bring about a new dawn for their race; but if this is to be their end then they will face the growing darkness standing with blades ready in hand. Come 8th Edition and, with the obsession for trademarked names, the Craftworld Eldar are known as the Asuryani. Craftworld Eldar live, predominantly, within enormous ships known as [[Craftworlds]] that at one time served as vast trading vessels for the Empire of old. Within the Craftworlds the Eldar try to preserve what remains of their Pre-Fall history and culture as best they can but even they cannot stop the slow and inevitable degradation of time as older generations are lost and the memories of their glories pass into myth and legend. Like all Eldar, they are survivors of the calamitous event known as The Fall, which destroyed the old Eldar Empire. Those who live on the Craftworlds attempt to control and direct their emotions and psychic power in order to prevent it from corrupting them like it did their ancestors, and thus have a highly <s>autistic</s> regimented social system known as the Paths, founded by the first of the Phoenix Lords; Asurmen.

	*[[Dark Eldar]] – The Dark kin are the very incarnation of cruelty in all its many forms. Ironically, they torture people for pleasure, and you would think that they'd like Slaanesh, but nope. They fear it just as much as normal Eldar. From their shadowy nightmare realm/BDSM porn studio of Commorragh, they strike out to bring misery, horror, and boners ([[Wyches]] only) upon an unsuspecting galaxy. Those who know of them know that it is better to die than be taken by these sadistic bastards. Pray they do not take you alive. Dark Eldar represent the portion of the population which has refused to give up on the cruel and barbaric lifestyle which caused The Fall in the first place. Instead, they have moved into the alternate dimension known as the [[Webway]] and mostly exist within the aforementioned <s>porn studio</s> City of [[Commorragh]]. Dark Eldar must feed on the pain and suffering of others to stave off their souls being consumed by [[Slaanesh\|She Who Thirsts]], and as a result have developed a society and culture predicated on the capture and torture of others in [[/d/\|increasingly inventive manners]]. Dark Eldar are among the most notorious corsairs and raiders of the Galaxy and are the bane of many an Imperial admiral.		*[[Dark Eldar]] – The Dark kin are the very incarnation of cruelty in all its many forms. Ironically, they torture people for pleasure, and you would think that they'd like Slaanesh, but nope. They fear it just as much as normal Eldar. From their shadowy nightmare realm/BDSM porn studio of Commorragh, they strike out to bring misery, horror, and boners ([[Wyches]] only) upon an unsuspecting galaxy. Those who know of them know that it is better to die than be taken by these sadistic bastards. Pray they do not take you alive. Dark Eldar represent the portion of the population which has refused to give up on the cruel and barbaric lifestyle which caused The Fall in the first place. Instead, they have moved into the alternate dimension known as the [[Webway]] and mostly exist within the aforementioned <s>porn studio</s> City of [[Commorragh]]. Dark Eldar must feed on the pain and suffering of others to stave off their souls being consumed by [[Slaanesh\|She Who Thirsts]], and as a result have developed a society and culture predicated on the capture and torture of others in [[/d/\|increasingly inventive manners]]. Dark Eldar are among the most notorious corsairs and raiders of the Galaxy and are the bane of many an Imperial admiral.
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	===The Chaff===		===The Chaff===
	These are the Xenos who tend to exist as a largely faceless horde of mooks who are gunned or chopped down in droves, usually with little dramatic tension, and more as a way to demonstrate how badass or awesome the protagonist is. These Xenos tend to play the role of a lesser antagonist, not as dangerous as Chaos, and having little true power, but an antagonist nonetheless. These are the antagonists against whom it is most common for the protagonist to win bloodless victories or overwhelming victories, to demonstrate the difference in strength between the protagonist and these lesser antagonists. Similarly the Chaff Xenos also often play the role of demonstrating how powerful Chaos is, without allowing Chaos to actually beat the Imperium, by either losing or being supplanted by Chaos at a point in a story line, to make clear the true threat was Chaos all along. Orks in particular are adept at this tactic of being an initial, and rather minor threat, who is then replaced by a more severe Chaos threat later.		These are the Xenos who tend to exist as a largely faceless horde of mooks who are gunned or chopped down in droves, usually with little dramatic tension, and more as a way to demonstrate how badass or awesome the protagonist is. These Xenos tend to play the role of a lesser antagonist, not as dangerous as Chaos, and having little true power, but an antagonist nonetheless. These are the antagonists against whom it is most common for the protagonist to win bloodless victories or overwhelming victories, to demonstrate the difference in strength between the protagonist and these lesser antagonists. Similarly the Chaff Xenos also often play the role of demonstrating how powerful Chaos is without allowing Chaos to actually beat the Imperium, by either losing or being supplanted by Chaos at a point in a story line, to make clear the true threat was Chaos all along. Orks in particular are adept at this tactic of being an initial, and rather minor threat, who is then replaced by a more severe Chaos threat later.

	Chaff are characterised by the fact that, no matter what, they will almost always lose the war in the end, regardless of all circumstances, and there will rarely be any long term negative consequences of battles with them. They will also usually be vastly inferior to the protagonists, being killed in one-on-one duels and such to showcase the superior fighting abilities of their foes. Ork Warbosses and Eldar Avatars of Khaine are two of the most commonly used examples of this, often dying to establish some or other protagonist as a [[badass]].		Chaff are characterised by the fact that, no matter what, they will almost always lose the war in the end, regardless of all circumstances, and there will rarely be any long term negative consequences of battles with them. They will also usually be vastly inferior to the protagonists, being killed in one-on-one duels and such to showcase the superior fighting abilities of their foes. Ork Warbosses and Eldar Avatars of Khaine are two of the most commonly used examples of this, often dying to establish some or other protagonist as a [[Mary Sue\|badass]].

	Although Orks and Tyranid tend to be the most commonly used Chaff, as of late the Craftworld Eldar have seemingly become quite prone to being Chaff too, with battles such as the attack on Yme-Loc, the Battle of Orar's Sepulchre and more usually having the ancient and elitist soldiery of these factions gunned down in enormous numbers and absolutely powerless to do anything.		Although Orks and Tyranid tend to be the most commonly used Chaff, as of late the Craftworld Eldar have seemingly become quite prone to being Chaff too, with battles such as the attack on Yme-Loc, the Battle of Orar's Sepulchre and more usually having the ancient and elitist soldiery of these factions gunned down in enormous numbers and absolutely powerless to do anything.

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	==Xenos and the Great Crusade==		==Xenos and the Great Crusade==

	However, with the Fall of the Eldar and the calming of the Warp storms that had up until then isolated the many human colonies that were spread across the galaxy, the Emperor took advantage of the newly created galactic power vacuum to launch his [[Great Crusade]]. During the Great Crusade the Emperor announced that Humanity had a [[Wikipedia:Manifest destiny\|preordained destiny]] to rule the stars and was the one to pen the phrase "Suffer not the alien to live", giving orders for the extermination of all sapient Xenos. So stringent were his orders that when [[Primarchs]] like [[Horus]] and [[Fulgrim]] did seek to interact with Xenos, their men protested that it was against the standing orders of the Emperor to do so.		However, with the Fall of the Eldar and the calming of the Warp storms that had up until then isolated the many human colonies that were spread across the galaxy, the Emperor took advantage of the newly created galactic power vacuum to launch his [[Great Crusade]]. During the Great Crusade the Emperor announced that Humanity had a [[Wikipedia:Manifest destiny\|preordained destiny]] to rule the stars and was the one to pen the phrase "Suffer not the alien to live", giving orders for the extermination of all sapient Xenos who could possibly threaten or influence humanity. So stringent were his orders that when [[Primarchs]] like [[Horus]] and [[Fulgrim]] did seek to interact with Xenos, their men protested that it was against the standing orders of the Emperor to do so.

	The Emperor's reasoning for this rampant xenophobia was that during the Age of Strife humanity was uniformly turned on by every single one of its xenos allies, who proceeded to enslave, rape, and kill human worlds, and therefore xenos couldn't be trusted and must all be killed. However, it's implied that this claim should be taken with a grain of salt. While no one is going to argue that the [[Orks]], [[Nephilim]] or [[Slaugth]] are really nice and cuddly, the idea that every single one of humanity's xenos allies, without exception, turned on us is a bit unlikely just based on the law of large numbers alone. The [[Horus Heresy]] novels expanded on this, showing a number of examples like the Interex of humans getting along with xenos just fine, not to mention reasonably peaceful civilizations that just wanted to be left alone, while [[Rogue Trader (RPG)\|Rogue Trader]] features a planet called Traynor's Rest where it's confirmed the Imperial missionary who found the place had to do a lot of lying to get the local humans to turn on their xenos buddies and purge the alien properly. This is the part where GW remembered 40k was once in part a dig at real-life conservative politics, then promptly forgot it again to sell more Space Marines.		The Emperor's reasoning for this rampant xenophobia was that during the Age of Strife humanity was uniformly turned on by every single one of its xenos allies, who proceeded to enslave, rape, and kill human worlds, and therefore xenos couldn't be trusted and must all be killed. However, it's implied that this claim should be taken with a grain of salt. While no one is going to argue that the [[Orks]], [[Nephilim]] or [[Slaugth]] are really nice and cuddly, the idea that every single one of humanity's xenos allies, without exception, turned on us is a bit unlikely just based on the law of large numbers alone. The [[Horus Heresy]] novels expanded on this, showing a number of examples like the Interex of humans getting along with xenos just fine, not to mention reasonably peaceful civilizations that just wanted to be left alone, while [[Rogue Trader (RPG)\|Rogue Trader]] features a planet called Traynor's Rest where it's confirmed the Imperial missionary who found the place had to do a lot of lying to get the local humans to turn on their xenos buddies and purge the alien properly. This is the part where GW remembered 40k was once in part a dig at real-life conservative politics, then promptly forgot it again to sell more Space Marines.

	''Master of Mankind'' also implies that the reason the Emperor wanted the xenos dead was not out of simple xenophobia, but because he couldn't control them like he did humanity and because xenos showed humanity that there were other ways of living than his design. All the while the Emperor used xenotech to create ''his'' better future for humanity. The same was true of non-Imperial humans, but at least the Emperor was willing to give them a chance to submit to his rule before wiping them out utterly. Perhaps more pragmatically, those civilizations also may have had [[STC]] fragments and he couldn't afford to have those destroyed. Having a policy of absolute genocide towards all non-Terran ''humans'' in addition to xenos might have actually been more reasonable from the Emperor's standpoint, because it would have wiped out all those nascent [[Chaos]]-tainted civilizations and those who genetically deviated from the Imperial standard, but the Emperor ''really'' needed those STCs. Then again, [[Aaron Dembski-Bowden\|Aaron "Daddy Issues" Dembski-Bowden]] wrote all this.		''Master of Mankind'' also implies that the reason the Emperor wanted the xenos dead was not out of simple xenophobia, but because he couldn't control them like he did humanity and because xenos showed humanity that there were other ways of living than his design. All the while the Emperor used xenotech to create ''his'' better future for humanity. The same was true of non-Imperial humans, but at least the Emperor was willing to give them a chance to submit to his rule before wiping them out utterly. Perhaps more pragmatically, those civilizations also may have had [[STC]] fragments and he couldn't afford to have those destroyed. Having a policy of absolute genocide towards all non-Terran ''humans'' in addition to xenos might have actually been more reasonable from the Emperor's standpoint, because it would have wiped out all those nascent [[Chaos]]-tainted civilizations and those who genetically deviated from the Imperial standard, but the Emperor ''really'' needed those STCs. Then again, [[Aaron Dembski-Bowden\|Aaron "Daddy Issues" Dembski-Bowden]] wrote all this. Keep in mind that the Great Crusade also found a ''lot'' of "Hell Worlds" and "Nightmare Worlds" where the local xenos had descended on the human population and did [[FATAL\|some seriously fucked up shit]] to them, whether out of revenge, because they worshipped [[Chaos]] under the table and saw the Age of Strife as a chance to cut loose, or because it was just [[Tuesday]] to their inhuman psychology.

	The armies of the Emperor of Man spread across the width and breadth of the galaxy [[Rip and Tear\|butchering]] all that stood in their way, including many human civilizations that had survived the horrors of Old Night and refused to bend the knee in submission to this man that claimed the title of Master of Mankind. The resulting genocides led to the extinction of hundreds of species, including many of the older races that had existed since before humanity had first looked up at the stars. Hundreds of alien races were wiped out, although barring Orks the majority of the Great Crusade seems to have been spent fighting against other human empires, as Xenos forces were comparatively rarer, indicating that they had perhaps fared even worse during the Age of Strife. Even groups such as the Diasporex, a combination of humans and Xenos living in harmony, were exterminated simply for their pluralistic ideologies, their human members slain as well for refusing to consign their Xenos compatriots to extermination.		The armies of the Emperor of Man spread across the width and breadth of the galaxy [[Rip and Tear\|butchering]] all that stood in their way, including many human civilizations that had survived the horrors of Old Night and refused to bend the knee in submission to this man that claimed the title of Master of Mankind. The resulting genocides led to the extinction of hundreds of species, including many of the older races that had existed since before humanity had first looked up at the stars. Hundreds of alien races were wiped out, although barring Orks the majority of the Great Crusade seems to have been spent fighting against other human empires, as Xenos forces were comparatively rarer, indicating that they had perhaps fared even worse during the Age of Strife. Even groups such as the Diasporex, a combination of humans and Xenos living in harmony, were exterminated simply for their pluralistic ideologies, their human members slain as well for refusing to consign their Xenos compatriots to extermination.

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	{{topquote\|Beware the [[xenos\|alien]], the [[heretic]], and the [[mutant]].\|[[Thought for the Day]]}}		{{topquote\|Beware the [[xenos\|alien]], the [[heretic]], and the [[mutant]].\|[[Thought for the Day]]}}
	{{topquote\|Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.\|Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays}}		{{topquote\|Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.\|Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays}}
	~~{{topquote\|Aside from the occasional genocide, oppression, evil and torture, etc., it is inarguable that public policy could be implemented more rapidly in an autocracy.\|David Harsanyi}}~~

	'''Xenos''' is a Greek word which means "stranger" or "alien." "Xenophobia," or "fear of the strange," comes from this root. Often used synonymically to "hatred", but the correct word for that would be "misoxenia" or "misoxeny". [[4chan]]'s "Paranormal" board is named [[Board-tans/x\|/x/]] after it.		'''Xenos''' is a Greek word which means "stranger" or "alien." "Xenophobia," or "fear of the strange," comes from this root. Often used synonymically to "hatred", but the correct word for that would be "misoxenia" or "misoxeny". [[4chan]]'s "Paranormal" board is named [[Board-tans/x\|/x/]] after it.

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	==Xenos and the Great Crusade==		==Xenos and the Great Crusade==

	However, with the Fall of the Eldar and the calming of the Warp storms that had up until then isolated the many human colonies that were spread across the galaxy, the Emperor took advantage of the newly created galactic power vacuum to launch his [[Great Crusade]]. During the Great Crusade the Emperor announced that Humanity had a [~~https~~:~~//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny~~ preordained destiny] to rule the stars and was the one to pen the phrase "Suffer not the alien to live", giving orders for the extermination of all sapient Xenos. So stringent were his orders that when [[Primarchs]] like [[Horus]] and [[Fulgrim]] did seek to interact with Xenos, their men protested that it was against the standing orders of the Emperor to do so.		However, with the Fall of the Eldar and the calming of the Warp storms that had up until then isolated the many human colonies that were spread across the galaxy, the Emperor took advantage of the newly created galactic power vacuum to launch his [[Great Crusade]]. During the Great Crusade the Emperor announced that Humanity had a [[Wikipedia:Manifest destiny\|preordained destiny]] to rule the stars and was the one to pen the phrase "Suffer not the alien to live", giving orders for the extermination of all sapient Xenos. So stringent were his orders that when [[Primarchs]] like [[Horus]] and [[Fulgrim]] did seek to interact with Xenos, their men protested that it was against the standing orders of the Emperor to do so.

	The Emperor's reasoning for this rampant xenophobia was that during the Age of Strife humanity was uniformly turned on by every single one of its xenos allies, who proceeded to enslave, rape, and kill human worlds, and therefore xenos couldn't be trusted and must all be killed. However, it's implied that this claim should be taken with a grain of salt. While no one is going to argue that the [[Orks]], [[Nephilim]] or [[Slaugth]] are really nice and cuddly, the idea that every single one of humanity's xenos allies, without exception, turned on us is a bit unlikely ~~(from a math perspective if nothing else)~~. ~~Not to mention that the~~ [[~~Great Crusade~~]] ~~encountered many~~ examples of humans ~~enslaving humans, humans enslaving~~ xenos, ~~humans and xenos existing in harmony, and~~ peaceful ~~xenos~~ civilizations that just wanted to be left alone~~. And killed most of them. If a xenos race were doing to a pocket of humanity what the [[Imperium]] does to its own people~~, ~~the~~ [[Great Crusade]] would have [[Exterminatus]]ed the fuck out of them, humans are dicks to other humans just as much as xenos are. Additionally, the only human who actually has first-hand knowledge of this xenos betrayal are the Emperor and his cronies, and the Emperor [[Imperial Truth\|~~would never lie to people about something important in the name of getting the reaction he wants~~]]. Not to mention the Imperium's justification for xenocide is almost word-for-word the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth stab-in-the-back-myth] the Nazis used to try and justify their treatment of Jews and the Holocaust, only replace "Aryan" with "human" and "Jew" with "xenos". Even canon has implied on the ''very'' few times it's come up that this story might be a ~~load of bull; the Interex and Disaporex were both human/alien alliances who were thriving in harmony until the Imperium wiped them out, and the~~ planet of Traynor's Rest ~~from the [[Rogue Trader]] TRPG was inhabited by a human/alien alliance that hadn~~'~~t had any major conflicts or arguments for '''twenty thousand years''', forcing~~ the Imperial missionary who found the place to ~~literally fabricate~~ a ~~bunch~~ of BS to get the humans to ~~genocide~~ their alien ~~partners~~ in ~~what is probably an homage~~ to ~~the Protocols of the Elders of Zion~~.		The Emperor's reasoning for this rampant xenophobia was that during the Age of Strife humanity was uniformly turned on by every single one of its xenos allies, who proceeded to enslave, rape, and kill human worlds, and therefore xenos couldn't be trusted and must all be killed. However, it's implied that this claim should be taken with a grain of salt. While no one is going to argue that the [[Orks]], [[Nephilim]] or [[Slaugth]] are really nice and cuddly, the idea that every single one of humanity's xenos allies, without exception, turned on us is a bit unlikely just based on the law of large numbers alone. The [[Horus Heresy]] novels expanded on this, showing a number of examples like the Interex of humans getting along with xenos just fine, not to mention reasonably peaceful civilizations that just wanted to be left alone, while [[Rogue Trader (RPG)\|Rogue Trader]] features a planet called Traynor's Rest where it's confirmed the Imperial missionary who found the place had to do a lot of lying to get the local humans to turn on their xenos buddies and purge the alien properly. This is the part where GW remembered 40k was once in part a dig at real-life conservative politics, then promptly forgot it again to sell more Space Marines.

	''Master of Mankind'' also implies that the reason the Emperor wanted the xenos dead was not out of simple xenophobia, but because he couldn't control them like he did humanity and because xenos showed humanity that there were other ways of living than his design. All the while the Emperor used xenotech to create ''his'' better future for humanity. The same was true of non-Imperial humans, but at least the Emperor was willing to give them a chance to submit to his rule before wiping them out utterly. ~~And, perhaps~~ more pragmatically, ~~because~~ those civilizations may have had [[STC]] fragments and he couldn't afford to have those destroyed. Having a policy of absolute genocide towards all non-Terran ''humans'' in addition to xenos might have actually been more reasonable from the Emperor's standpoint, because it would have wiped out all those nascent [[Chaos]]-tainted civilizations and those who genetically deviated from the Imperial standard, but the Emperor needed those STCs. ~~Ironically~~, ~~the~~ [[~~Age of Strife~~]] ~~may have ended up saving a lot of lives in that respect~~.		''Master of Mankind'' also implies that the reason the Emperor wanted the xenos dead was not out of simple xenophobia, but because he couldn't control them like he did humanity and because xenos showed humanity that there were other ways of living than his design. All the while the Emperor used xenotech to create ''his'' better future for humanity. The same was true of non-Imperial humans, but at least the Emperor was willing to give them a chance to submit to his rule before wiping them out utterly. Perhaps more pragmatically, those civilizations also may have had [[STC]] fragments and he couldn't afford to have those destroyed. Having a policy of absolute genocide towards all non-Terran ''humans'' in addition to xenos might have actually been more reasonable from the Emperor's standpoint, because it would have wiped out all those nascent [[Chaos]]-tainted civilizations and those who genetically deviated from the Imperial standard, but the Emperor ''really'' needed those STCs. Then again, [[Aaron Dembski-Bowden\|Aaron "Daddy Issues" Dembski-Bowden]] wrote all this.

	The armies of the Emperor of Man spread across the width and breadth of the galaxy [[Rip and Tear\|butchering]] all that stood in their way, including many human civilizations that had survived the horrors of Old Night and refused to bend the knee in submission to this man that claimed the title of Master of Mankind. The resulting genocides led to the extinction of hundreds of species, including many of the older races that had existed since before humanity had first looked up at the stars. Hundreds of alien races were wiped out, although barring Orks the majority of the Great Crusade seems to have been spent fighting against other human empires, as Xenos forces were comparatively rarer, indicating that they had perhaps fared even worse during the Age of Strife. Even groups such as the Diasporex, a combination of humans and Xenos living in harmony, were exterminated simply for their pluralistic ideologies, their human members slain as well for refusing to consign their Xenos compatriots to extermination.		The armies of the Emperor of Man spread across the width and breadth of the galaxy [[Rip and Tear\|butchering]] all that stood in their way, including many human civilizations that had survived the horrors of Old Night and refused to bend the knee in submission to this man that claimed the title of Master of Mankind. The resulting genocides led to the extinction of hundreds of species, including many of the older races that had existed since before humanity had first looked up at the stars. Hundreds of alien races were wiped out, although barring Orks the majority of the Great Crusade seems to have been spent fighting against other human empires, as Xenos forces were comparatively rarer, indicating that they had perhaps fared even worse during the Age of Strife. Even groups such as the Diasporex, a combination of humans and Xenos living in harmony, were exterminated simply for their pluralistic ideologies, their human members slain as well for refusing to consign their Xenos compatriots to extermination.

	By the end of the Great Crusade all major non-human powers and Empires had been broken, with only small and insignificant states, or weaker ~~polities~~ outside the Imperium's borders remaining. Ironically, the Craftworld (due to not needing planets), Exodite (due to Craftworld protection and simple obscurity) and the soon-to-be Dark (Webway) Eldar were likely the best off despite the fact that their main power was completely broken before the Crusade, ~~besides~~ the Orks ~~who aren~~'t ~~a polity so much as a self propagating sentient (in the loosest terms) bio-weapon~~.		By the end of the Great Crusade all major non-human powers and Empires had been broken, with only small and insignificant states, or weaker powers outside the Imperium's borders remaining. Ironically, the Craftworld (due to not needing planets), Exodite (due to Craftworld protection and simple obscurity) and the soon-to-be Dark (Webway) Eldar were likely the best off despite the fact that their main power was completely broken before the Crusade. Well, them and the Orks, but Orks are pretty much kudzu with guns so they arguably don't count.

	==Xenos in the 41st Millenium==		==Xenos in the 41st Millenium==

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	{{topquote\|Beware the [[xenos\|alien]], the [[heretic]], and the [[mutant]].\|Thought for the Day}}		{{topquote\|Beware the [[xenos\|alien]], the [[heretic]], and the [[mutant]].\|[[Thought for the Day]]}}
	{{topquote\|Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.\|Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays}}		{{topquote\|Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.\|Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays}}
	{{topquote\|Aside from the occasional genocide, oppression, evil and torture, etc., it is inarguable that public policy could be implemented more rapidly in an autocracy.\|David Harsanyi}}		{{topquote\|Aside from the occasional genocide, oppression, evil and torture, etc., it is inarguable that public policy could be implemented more rapidly in an autocracy.\|David Harsanyi}}

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	*Most authors don't like them that much or writing about them (it doesn't pay as much as writing Imperium books and it's harder than writing humans or [[Space Marines\|people that shouldn't act like normal humans but do anyways]] and writers are humans too, with their own preferred factions and characters), so authors tend to prefer the Imperium.		*Most authors don't like them that much or writing about them (it doesn't pay as much as writing Imperium books and it's harder than writing humans or [[Space Marines\|people that shouldn't act like normal humans but do anyways]] and writers are humans too, with their own preferred factions and characters), so authors tend to prefer the Imperium.
	*They don't get much written about them and the Imperium gets more stuff		*They don't get much written about them and the Imperium gets more stuff
	*Imperium stuff sells more and has more variety (if you hate an Imperium book, there's hundreds more by multiple authors you could like. If you hate an Eldar or T'au book, there's only a handful and they're all written by [[Gav Thorpe\|the]] same [[Phil Kelly\|guys]])		*Imperium stuff sells more and has more variety, and as such has more fans (if you hate an Imperium book, there's hundreds more by multiple authors you could like. If you hate an Eldar or T'au book, there's only a handful and they're all written by [[Gav Thorpe\|the]] same [[Phil Kelly\|guys]])
	*Authors and fans like the Imperium more...		*Authors and fans like the Imperium more...
	*Repeat until the ratio of Imperium to non-Imperium stories is 10/1 at best (as of October 2022, Imperium has roughly 500 pieces written on/about them by Black Library, Chaos has around 50) and 100/1 at worst (Necrons have 5). [https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1469gs4/in_the_best_case_scenaario_it_would_take/\| Some dumbass on reddit did the math], and it would take a full century for Xenos to get as many ~~black~~ Library stories as the Imperium has, and that's the very best case scenario, where BL ''completely'' stops releasing Imperium stuff for 98 years.		*Repeat until the ratio of Imperium to non-Imperium stories is 10/1 at best (as of October 2022, Imperium has roughly 500 pieces written on/about them by Black Library, Chaos has around 50) and 100/1 at worst (Necrons have 5). [https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1469gs4/in_the_best_case_scenaario_it_would_take/\| Some dumbass on reddit did the math] for the year 2022, and it would literally take a full century for Xenos to get as many Black Library stories as the Imperium has, and that's the very best case scenario, where BL ''completely'' stops releasing Imperium stuff for 98 years. So yeah, Xenos will never get many good books.

	==How do they compare==		==How do they compare==

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	*Imperium stuff sells more and has more variety (if you hate an Imperium book, there's hundreds more by multiple authors you could like. If you hate an Eldar or T'au book, there's only a handful and they're all written by [[Gav Thorpe\|the]] same [[Phil Kelly\|guys]])		*Imperium stuff sells more and has more variety (if you hate an Imperium book, there's hundreds more by multiple authors you could like. If you hate an Eldar or T'au book, there's only a handful and they're all written by [[Gav Thorpe\|the]] same [[Phil Kelly\|guys]])
	*Authors and fans like the Imperium more...		*Authors and fans like the Imperium more...
	*Repeat until the ratio of Imperium to non-Imperium stories is 10/1 at best (as of October 2022, Imperium has roughly 500 pieces written on/about them by Black Library, Chaos has around 50) and 100/1 at worst (Necrons have 5). [https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1469gs4/in_the_best_case_scenaario_it_would_take/\| Some dumbass on reddit did the math], and it would take a full century for Xenos to get as many black Library stories as the Imperium has, and that's the very best case scenario, where BL ''completely'' stops releasing Imperium stuff for 98 years.		*Repeat until the ratio of Imperium to non-Imperium stories is 10/1 at best (as of October 2022, Imperium has roughly 500 pieces written on/about them by Black Library, Chaos has around 50) and 100/1 at worst (Necrons have 5). [https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1469gs4/in_the_best_case_scenaario_it_would_take/\| Some dumbass on reddit did the math], and it would take a full century for Xenos to get as many black Library stories as the Imperium has, and that's the very best case scenario, where BL ''completely'' stops releasing Imperium stuff for 98 years.

	==How do they compare==		==How do they compare==

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	*Imperium stuff sells more and has more variety (if you hate an Imperium book, there's hundreds more by multiple authors you could like. If you hate an Eldar or T'au book, there's only a handful and they're all written by [[Gav Thorpe\|the]] same [[Phil Kelly\|guys]])		*Imperium stuff sells more and has more variety (if you hate an Imperium book, there's hundreds more by multiple authors you could like. If you hate an Eldar or T'au book, there's only a handful and they're all written by [[Gav Thorpe\|the]] same [[Phil Kelly\|guys]])
	*Authors and fans like the Imperium more...		*Authors and fans like the Imperium more...
	*Repeat until the ratio of Imperium to non-Imperium stories is 10/1 at best (as of October 2022, Imperium has roughly 500 pieces written on/about them by Black Library, Chaos has around 50) and 100/1 at worst (Necrons have 5). [[https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1469gs4/in_the_best_case_scenaario_it_would_take/\| Some dumbass on reddit did the math]], and it would take a full century for Xenos to get as many black Library ~~stroies~~ as the Imperium has, and that's the very ~~bets~~ case scenario.		*Repeat until the ratio of Imperium to non-Imperium stories is 10/1 at best (as of October 2022, Imperium has roughly 500 pieces written on/about them by Black Library, Chaos has around 50) and 100/1 at worst (Necrons have 5). [https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1469gs4/in_the_best_case_scenaario_it_would_take/\| Some dumbass on reddit did the math], and it would take a full century for Xenos to get as many black Library stories as the Imperium has, and that's the very best case scenario, where BL ''completely'' stops releasing Imperium stuff for 98 years.

	==How do they compare==		==How do they compare==

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	However, with the Fall of the Eldar and the calming of the Warp storms that had up until then isolated the many human colonies that were spread across the galaxy, the Emperor took advantage of the newly created galactic power vacuum to launch his [[Great Crusade]]. During the Great Crusade the Emperor announced that Humanity had a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny preordained destiny] to rule the stars and was the one to pen the phrase "Suffer not the alien to live", giving orders for the extermination of all sapient Xenos. So stringent were his orders that when [[Primarchs]] like [[Horus]] and [[Fulgrim]] did seek to interact with Xenos, their men protested that it was against the standing orders of the Emperor to do so.		However, with the Fall of the Eldar and the calming of the Warp storms that had up until then isolated the many human colonies that were spread across the galaxy, the Emperor took advantage of the newly created galactic power vacuum to launch his [[Great Crusade]]. During the Great Crusade the Emperor announced that Humanity had a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny preordained destiny] to rule the stars and was the one to pen the phrase "Suffer not the alien to live", giving orders for the extermination of all sapient Xenos. So stringent were his orders that when [[Primarchs]] like [[Horus]] and [[Fulgrim]] did seek to interact with Xenos, their men protested that it was against the standing orders of the Emperor to do so.

	The Emperor's reasoning for this rampant xenophobia was that during the Age of Strife humanity was uniformly turned on by every single one of its xenos allies, who proceeded to enslave, rape, and kill human worlds, and therefore xenos couldn't be trusted and must all be killed. However, it's implied that this claim should be taken with a grain of salt. While no one is going to argue that the [[Orks]], [[Nephilim]] or [[Slaugth]] are really nice and cuddly, the idea that every single one of humanity's xenos allies, without exception, turned on us is a bit unlikely (from a math perspective if nothing else). Not to mention that the [[Great Crusade]] encountered many examples of humans enslaving humans, humans enslaving xenos, humans and xenos existing in harmony, and peaceful xenos civilizations that just wanted to be left alone. And killed most of them. If a xenos race were doing to a pocket of humanity what the [[Imperium]] does to its own people, the [[Great Crusade]] would have [[Exterminatus]]ed the fuck out of them, humans are dicks to other humans just as much as xenos are. Additionally, the only human who actually has first-hand knowledge of this xenos betrayal are the Emperor and his cronies, and the Emperor [[Imperial Truth\|would never lie to people about something important in the name of getting the reaction he wants]]. Not to mention the Imperium's justification for xenocide is almost word-for-word the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth stab-in-the-back-myth] the Nazis used to try and justify their treatment of Jews and the Holocaust, only replace "Aryan" with "human" and "Jew" with "xenos".		The Emperor's reasoning for this rampant xenophobia was that during the Age of Strife humanity was uniformly turned on by every single one of its xenos allies, who proceeded to enslave, rape, and kill human worlds, and therefore xenos couldn't be trusted and must all be killed. However, it's implied that this claim should be taken with a grain of salt. While no one is going to argue that the [[Orks]], [[Nephilim]] or [[Slaugth]] are really nice and cuddly, the idea that every single one of humanity's xenos allies, without exception, turned on us is a bit unlikely (from a math perspective if nothing else). Not to mention that the [[Great Crusade]] encountered many examples of humans enslaving humans, humans enslaving xenos, humans and xenos existing in harmony, and peaceful xenos civilizations that just wanted to be left alone. And killed most of them. If a xenos race were doing to a pocket of humanity what the [[Imperium]] does to its own people, the [[Great Crusade]] would have [[Exterminatus]]ed the fuck out of them, humans are dicks to other humans just as much as xenos are. Additionally, the only human who actually has first-hand knowledge of this xenos betrayal are the Emperor and his cronies, and the Emperor [[Imperial Truth\|would never lie to people about something important in the name of getting the reaction he wants]]. Not to mention the Imperium's justification for xenocide is almost word-for-word the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth stab-in-the-back-myth] the Nazis used to try and justify their treatment of Jews and the Holocaust, only replace "Aryan" with "human" and "Jew" with "xenos". Even canon has implied on the ''very'' few times it's come up that this story might be a load of bull; the Interex and Disaporex were both human/alien alliances who were thriving in harmony until the Imperium wiped them out, and the planet of Traynor's Rest from the [[Rogue Trader]] TRPG was inhabited by a human/alien alliance that hadn't had any major conflicts or arguments for '''twenty thousand years''', forcing the Imperial missionary who found the place to literally fabricate a bunch of BS to get the humans to genocide their alien partners in what is probably an homage to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

	''Master of Mankind'' also implies that the reason the Emperor wanted the xenos dead was not out of simple xenophobia, but because he couldn't control them like he did humanity and because xenos showed humanity that there were other ways of living than his design. All the while the Emperor used xenotech to create ''his'' better future for humanity. The same was true of non-Imperial humans, but at least the Emperor was willing to give them a chance to submit to his rule before wiping them out utterly. And, perhaps more pragmatically, because those civilizations may have had [[STC]] fragments and he couldn't afford to have those destroyed. Having a policy of absolute genocide towards all non-Terran ''humans'' in addition to xenos might have actually been more reasonable from the Emperor's standpoint, because it would have wiped out all those nascent [[Chaos]]-tainted civilizations and those who genetically deviated from the Imperial standard, but the Emperor needed those STCs. Ironically, the [[Age of Strife]] may have ended up saving a lot of lives in that respect.		''Master of Mankind'' also implies that the reason the Emperor wanted the xenos dead was not out of simple xenophobia, but because he couldn't control them like he did humanity and because xenos showed humanity that there were other ways of living than his design. All the while the Emperor used xenotech to create ''his'' better future for humanity. The same was true of non-Imperial humans, but at least the Emperor was willing to give them a chance to submit to his rule before wiping them out utterly. And, perhaps more pragmatically, because those civilizations may have had [[STC]] fragments and he couldn't afford to have those destroyed. Having a policy of absolute genocide towards all non-Terran ''humans'' in addition to xenos might have actually been more reasonable from the Emperor's standpoint, because it would have wiped out all those nascent [[Chaos]]-tainted civilizations and those who genetically deviated from the Imperial standard, but the Emperor needed those STCs. Ironically, the [[Age of Strife]] may have ended up saving a lot of lives in that respect.

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	==Xenos and the Great Crusade==		==Xenos and the Great Crusade==

	However, with the Fall of the Eldar and the calming of the Warp storms that had up until then isolated the many human colonies that were spread across the galaxy, the Emperor took advantage of the newly created galactic power vacuum to launch his [[Great Crusade]]. During the Great Crusade the Emperor announced that Humanity had a [[Wikipedia:Manifest destiny\|preordained destiny]] to rule the stars and was the one to pen the phrase "Suffer not the alien to live", giving orders for the extermination of all sapient Xenos. So stringent were his orders that when [[Primarchs]] like [[Horus]] and [[Fulgrim]] did seek to interact with Xenos, their men protested that it was against the standing orders of the Emperor to do so.		However, with the Fall of the Eldar and the calming of the Warp storms that had up until then isolated the many human colonies that were spread across the galaxy, the Emperor took advantage of the newly created galactic power vacuum to launch his [[Great Crusade]]. During the Great Crusade the Emperor announced that Humanity had a [[Wikipedia:Manifest destiny\|preordained destiny]] to rule the stars and was the one to pen the phrase "Suffer not the alien to live", giving orders for the extermination of all sapient Xenos who could possibly threaten or influence humanity. So stringent were his orders that when [[Primarchs]] like [[Horus]] and [[Fulgrim]] did seek to interact with Xenos, their men protested that it was against the standing orders of the Emperor to do so.

	The Emperor's reasoning for this rampant xenophobia was that during the Age of Strife humanity was uniformly turned on by every single one of its xenos allies, who proceeded to enslave, rape, and kill human worlds, and therefore xenos couldn't be trusted and must all be killed. However, it's implied that this claim should be taken with a grain of salt. While no one is going to argue that the [[Orks]], [[Nephilim]] or [[Slaugth]] are really nice and cuddly, the idea that every single one of humanity's xenos allies, without exception, turned on us is a bit unlikely just based on the law of large numbers alone. The [[Horus Heresy]] novels expanded on this, showing a number of examples like the Interex of humans getting along with xenos just fine, not to mention reasonably peaceful civilizations that just wanted to be left alone, while [[Rogue Trader (RPG)\|Rogue Trader]] features a planet called Traynor's Rest where it's confirmed the Imperial missionary who found the place had to do a lot of lying to get the local humans to turn on their xenos buddies and purge the alien properly. This is the part where GW remembered 40k was once in part a dig at real-life conservative politics, then promptly forgot it again to sell more Space Marines.		The Emperor's reasoning for this rampant xenophobia was that during the Age of Strife humanity was uniformly turned on by every single one of its xenos allies, who proceeded to enslave, rape, and kill human worlds, and therefore xenos couldn't be trusted and must all be killed. However, it's implied that this claim should be taken with a grain of salt. While no one is going to argue that the [[Orks]], [[Nephilim]] or [[Slaugth]] are really nice and cuddly, the idea that every single one of humanity's xenos allies, without exception, turned on us is a bit unlikely just based on the law of large numbers alone. The [[Horus Heresy]] novels expanded on this, showing a number of examples like the Interex of humans getting along with xenos just fine, not to mention reasonably peaceful civilizations that just wanted to be left alone, while [[Rogue Trader (RPG)\|Rogue Trader]] features a planet called Traynor's Rest where it's confirmed the Imperial missionary who found the place had to do a lot of lying to get the local humans to turn on their xenos buddies and purge the alien properly. This is the part where GW remembered 40k was once in part a dig at real-life conservative politics, then promptly forgot it again to sell more Space Marines.

	''Master of Mankind'' also implies that the reason the Emperor wanted the xenos dead was not out of simple xenophobia, but because he couldn't control them like he did humanity and because xenos showed humanity that there were other ways of living than his design. All the while the Emperor used xenotech to create ''his'' better future for humanity. The same was true of non-Imperial humans, but at least the Emperor was willing to give them a chance to submit to his rule before wiping them out utterly. Perhaps more pragmatically, those civilizations also may have had [[STC]] fragments and he couldn't afford to have those destroyed. Having a policy of absolute genocide towards all non-Terran ''humans'' in addition to xenos might have actually been more reasonable from the Emperor's standpoint, because it would have wiped out all those nascent [[Chaos]]-tainted civilizations and those who genetically deviated from the Imperial standard, but the Emperor ''really'' needed those STCs. Then again, [[Aaron Dembski-Bowden\|Aaron "Daddy Issues" Dembski-Bowden]] wrote all this.		''Master of Mankind'' also implies that the reason the Emperor wanted the xenos dead was not out of simple xenophobia, but because he couldn't control them like he did humanity and because xenos showed humanity that there were other ways of living than his design. All the while the Emperor used xenotech to create ''his'' better future for humanity. The same was true of non-Imperial humans, but at least the Emperor was willing to give them a chance to submit to his rule before wiping them out utterly. Perhaps more pragmatically, those civilizations also may have had [[STC]] fragments and he couldn't afford to have those destroyed. Having a policy of absolute genocide towards all non-Terran ''humans'' in addition to xenos might have actually been more reasonable from the Emperor's standpoint, because it would have wiped out all those nascent [[Chaos]]-tainted civilizations and those who genetically deviated from the Imperial standard, but the Emperor ''really'' needed those STCs. Then again, [[Aaron Dembski-Bowden\|Aaron "Daddy Issues" Dembski-Bowden]] wrote all this. Keep in mind that the Great Crusade also found a ''lot'' of "Hell Worlds" and "Nightmare Worlds" where the local xenos had descended on the human population and did [[FATAL\|some seriously fucked up shit]] to them, whether out of revenge, because they worshipped [[Chaos]] under the table and saw the Age of Strife as a chance to cut loose, or because it was just [[Tuesday]] to their inhuman psychology.

	The armies of the Emperor of Man spread across the width and breadth of the galaxy [[Rip and Tear\|butchering]] all that stood in their way, including many human civilizations that had survived the horrors of Old Night and refused to bend the knee in submission to this man that claimed the title of Master of Mankind. The resulting genocides led to the extinction of hundreds of species, including many of the older races that had existed since before humanity had first looked up at the stars. Hundreds of alien races were wiped out, although barring Orks the majority of the Great Crusade seems to have been spent fighting against other human empires, as Xenos forces were comparatively rarer, indicating that they had perhaps fared even worse during the Age of Strife. Even groups such as the Diasporex, a combination of humans and Xenos living in harmony, were exterminated simply for their pluralistic ideologies, their human members slain as well for refusing to consign their Xenos compatriots to extermination.		The armies of the Emperor of Man spread across the width and breadth of the galaxy [[Rip and Tear\|butchering]] all that stood in their way, including many human civilizations that had survived the horrors of Old Night and refused to bend the knee in submission to this man that claimed the title of Master of Mankind. The resulting genocides led to the extinction of hundreds of species, including many of the older races that had existed since before humanity had first looked up at the stars. Hundreds of alien races were wiped out, although barring Orks the majority of the Great Crusade seems to have been spent fighting against other human empires, as Xenos forces were comparatively rarer, indicating that they had perhaps fared even worse during the Age of Strife. Even groups such as the Diasporex, a combination of humans and Xenos living in harmony, were exterminated simply for their pluralistic ideologies, their human members slain as well for refusing to consign their Xenos compatriots to extermination.

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	{{topquote\|Beware the [[xenos\|alien]], the [[heretic]], and the [[mutant]].\|Thought for the Day}}		{{topquote\|Beware the [[xenos\|alien]], the [[heretic]], and the [[mutant]].\|[[Thought for the Day]]}}
	{{topquote\|Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.\|Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays}}		{{topquote\|Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.\|Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays}}
	{{topquote\|Aside from the occasional genocide, oppression, evil and torture, etc., it is inarguable that public policy could be implemented more rapidly in an autocracy.\|David Harsanyi}}		{{topquote\|Aside from the occasional genocide, oppression, evil and torture, etc., it is inarguable that public policy could be implemented more rapidly in an autocracy.\|David Harsanyi}}