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"Now if there's one thing you can be sure of, it's that nothing is more powerful than a young boy's wish. Except an Apache helicopter. An Apache helicopter has machine guns AND missiles. It is an unbelievably impressive complement of weaponry, an absolute death machine." - Sir Patrick Stewart from the film Ted.
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[[File:TUBX21-03.jpg|300px|right|thumb|Apache gunships in the sky, SF Rangers flying high! -Yusha Thomas]]
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You know it, you love it. Whether your a gamer, ever seen a few modern war films or just a military buff you should already know what it is. It's the fucking Apache helicopter in service of American (Boeing), British (AgustaWestland) and Israel Armed armed forces. Though Israel adopted them in 1990 and the Brits in 2004. It is current flieded by at least seventeen nations. Obviously no Apache for anyone except America in Team Yankee. Nor anyone else who bought them long after 1986. Unless Gale Force Nine wants to go all in for their alternate history game or wants some extra cash.
{{topquote|Now if there's one thing you can be sure of, it's that nothing is more powerful than a young boy's wish. Except an Apache helicopter. An Apache helicopter has a chaingun, rocket pods AND some of the most modern missiles of the time. It is an unbelievably impressive complement of weaponry, an absolute death machine.|Sir Patrick Stewart from the film Ted.}}


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You know it, you love it. Whether you're a gamer, have ever seen a few modern war films, or are just a military buff, you should already know what it is. It's the fucking Apache helicopter in service of American (Boeing), British (AgustaWestland), Dutch, and Israeli armed forces - although Israel adopted them in 1990, the Dutch in 1995, and the Brits in 2004. It is currently fielded by at least seventeen nations. Obviously, no Apache for anyone except America in Team Yankee. Nor anyone else who bought them long after 1986 for that matter. Unless Battlefront Miniatures wants to go full crazy for their alternate history game or wants some extra cash.
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As helicopters go, the Apache is a frightening beast. Along with Thermal Imaging, it has a 'take-all-comers' loadout of:
* Hellfire ATGMs and their AT25 that will make short work of any tank it can get its sights on while it hovers well out of the range of AA.
* for infantry or soft vehicles (or if another helo tries to get rowdy), there's your M230 with ROF 6 AP 8 if you hover. I pity the non-armored fool that thing is pointed at...
* In case of artillery parking lot, once per game you can drop an AT4 Salvo onto their top armor of mostly zero. Not a sure kill, but it certainly will hurt a lot.


Like all NATO helos it has the Hunter Killer special rule: use terrain as concealment and unless you fire, you're concealed and only being hit on a roll of 6+.


As is mostly the case with such units, the downside is cost: two Apaches will hurt you for 12, the full platoon of four for 24. They're expensive, but just like the [[AH-1 Cobra Attack Helicopter|Cobra]], in the right conditions they'll murder the hell out of any Soviet that has the misfortune of being in front of them.


==IRL==
[[File:XTuRieTnpjFpEk9TLTDKDGdM 2IsnouZtvvRKfKL8hE.jpg|300px|right|thumb| *insert your favorite early to mid 90s metal song here*]]


==IRL==
The Boeing AH-64 Apache strangely enough, shares its origins with the [[A-10 Warthog]] - because USAF flyboys like to play fast and loose with the CAS mission [[Exterminatus|and believe every problem on the ground can be solved with strategic bombing.]] In the 1970s, Lockheed's compound helicopter the AH-56 Cheyenne made chair force generals shit their collective panties.  The Cheyenne was to be the god of CAS incarnate, a helicopter that could push 250 mph with more weapons than the Cobra and maneuverability that would make the Red Baron sick with envy; this was a helicopter that could credibly take on conventional aircraft in low altitude air-to-air with at least a chance of coming out on top.  Allowing the Army to have such a chopper would make the flyboys completely irrelevant for CAS missions, and pile on their growing track record of bad decisions (see Century Series fighters, F-111, and lack of a gun on the F-4). The Cheyenne forced Air Force brass to stop thumbing their noses at the Fighter Mafia's CAS proposal and adopt the Warthog in order to force the Army into canceling the AH-56.
[[File:XTuRieTnpjFpEk9TLTDKDGdM 2IsnouZtvvRKfKL8hE.jpg|300px|right|thumb|]]
 
In the end, the Army got what it wanted, then issued an RFP for a conventional Attack Helicopter. In 1975, Boeing's YAH-64 won the contract over Bell's YAH-63. The first combat mission was during [[Skub|Operation Just Cause]], the US <s>invasion of Panama</s> [[Freedom|SELF-DEFENSE OPERATION OF THE GLOBALLY IMPORTANT PANAMA CANAL]]; the true test of the Apache's effectiveness came during the Gulf War. Out of 277, only one AH-64 was shot down during Desert Storm via close-range RPG: the only real issues the Army experienced were logistics and workload. During Operation Allied Force in 1999, other problems also cropped up, which are obviously due to the inferior tools, technology and training of the day; post-2000 variants don't have those issues. The Apache's biggest successes were during the Afghan and Iraq Wars. Many of the choppers that were shot down were eventually restored to working order.


The Boeing AH-64 Apache strangely enough, shares its origins with the [[A-10 Warthog]]. Because USAF flyboys like to play fast and loose with the CAS mission and believe every problem on the ground can be solved with strategic bombing. In the 1970s, Lockheed's compound helicopter the AH-56 Cheyenne made chair force generals shit their collective panties. As it would make them irrelevant and look bigger idiots than they already were.(see Century Series fighters and lack of a gun on the F-4) This forced them to stop thumbing their noses at the Fighter Mafia's CAS proposal. Having no choice but to adopt Warthog in order force the Army to can the AH-56.  
The typical armament of the AH-64 is the M230 30mm Chaingun. A huge pain in the ass to reload. The rockets it mounts are either Hydra 70s, CRV7s or APKWS. Missile options consist of AGM-114 Hellfire, AIM-92 Stingers (the A2A version of the Stinger), Israeli Spikes, and hilariously, the AIM-9 Sidewinder (mostly for its anti-radar brother, the AGM-122 Sidearm, so it can serve as a discount low-altitude wild weasel). The AH-64D Longbow variant has 2 additional stations on the wingtips for missiles.


The Army got what they wanted and than issued an RFP for a conventional Attack Helicopter. In 1975 Boeing's YAH-64 won the contract over Bell's YAH-63. The first combat mission was George HW Bush's illegal invasion of Panama. While the real test of the Apache's effectiveness came during the Gulf War. Out of 277, only one AH-64 was shot down during Desert Storm via a close range RPG. The only real issues the army experienced were logistics and workload. During operation Allied Force in 1999 there also problems that cropped up. Since post 2000 variants don't have those issues. It was obviously due to the inferior tools, technology and training of the day.
The most significant upgrade is the AH-64E Guardian, which allows the gunner to control RQ-7 Shadow or MQ-1C Grey Eagle drones for recon or additional firepower.
The Apache biggest successes were during the Afghan and Iraq Wars. Many of the choppers that were shot down were shot down were eventually restored to working order.  


The typical armament of the AH-64 is the M230 30mm Chaingun. A real pain in the ass to reload. It can mount Hydra 70, CRV7 or APKWS rockets. Missile options consist of AGM-114 Hellfire, AIM-92 Stingers(obviously the A2A version of FIM-92s) or Spike Missiles. Which is something the US Army adopted as an interim solution. Obviously because of America's Military Industrial Complex incompetence.  The AH-64D Longbow variant has additional hardpoints for A2A Stingers.
Proposed upgrades for the Apache are a laser weapon system (a likely upgrade from the M230 because again, reloading it sucks ass) and replacing the tail fan with a pusher propeller. The latter will increase its speed to 185 knots and range to 460 NMI, from 158 knots and 257 NMI, respectively. It also extends the wings, adding two hardpoints for a total number of six. Since the Cheyenne the USAF whined about was one of the earliest compound helicopters, if the AH-64E Block 2 Compound were ever to happen, it would be the ultimate irony as it would look like the Army metaphorically poking the flyboys in the eye with one hand while flipping the bird with the other.
The most significant upgrade is the AH-64E Guardian with the ability to control RQ-7 Shadow or MQ-1C Grey Eagle drones for recon or additional firepower.


Proposed upgrades for the Apache are a laser weapon system and replacing the tail fan with a pusher propeller. The latter which will increase its speed to 185 knots and range to 460 NMI. From 158 knots and 257 NMI respectively. If the AH-64E Block 2 Compound were adopted it would be the ultimate irony. As the AH-56 Cheyenne the USAF whined about was one of the earliest compound helicopters. It would be Army metaphorically poking the flyboys in the eye with one hand while flipping the bird in the other.
The Apache will mostly likely serve alongside and eventually be replaced by the US Army with a derivative of the Sikorsky–Boeing SB1-Defiant in the 2030s. Another Compound Helicopter like the Cheyenne, the Defiant is the contract winner of the Future Vertical Lift program alongside the Bell V-280 Valor, a tiltrotor aircraft more advanced than the V-22 Osprey.


The Apache will mostly likely serve along side and eventually be replaced with the Sikorsky–Boeing SB1-Defiant by the US Army in the 2030s. Another Compound Helicopter like the Cheyenne. The Defiant is the contract winner of the Future Vertical Lift program alongside Bell's V-280 Valor. A more advanced tiltrotor aircraft than the V-22 Osprey.
It is also a [[meme|gender]].


{{US Forces in Team Yankee}}
{{US Forces in Team Yankee}}

Latest revision as of 15:17, 17 June 2023

Apache gunships in the sky, SF Rangers flying high! -Yusha Thomas
Longbow

"Now if there's one thing you can be sure of, it's that nothing is more powerful than a young boy's wish. Except an Apache helicopter. An Apache helicopter has a chaingun, rocket pods AND some of the most modern missiles of the time. It is an unbelievably impressive complement of weaponry, an absolute death machine."

– Sir Patrick Stewart from the film Ted.

You know it, you love it. Whether you're a gamer, have ever seen a few modern war films, or are just a military buff, you should already know what it is. It's the fucking Apache helicopter in service of American (Boeing), British (AgustaWestland), Dutch, and Israeli armed forces - although Israel adopted them in 1990, the Dutch in 1995, and the Brits in 2004. It is currently fielded by at least seventeen nations. Obviously, no Apache for anyone except America in Team Yankee. Nor anyone else who bought them long after 1986 for that matter. Unless Battlefront Miniatures wants to go full crazy for their alternate history game or wants some extra cash.


In Team Yankee[edit | edit source]

Stats

As helicopters go, the Apache is a frightening beast. Along with Thermal Imaging, it has a 'take-all-comers' loadout of:

  • Hellfire ATGMs and their AT25 that will make short work of any tank it can get its sights on while it hovers well out of the range of AA.
  • for infantry or soft vehicles (or if another helo tries to get rowdy), there's your M230 with ROF 6 AP 8 if you hover. I pity the non-armored fool that thing is pointed at...
  • In case of artillery parking lot, once per game you can drop an AT4 Salvo onto their top armor of mostly zero. Not a sure kill, but it certainly will hurt a lot.

Like all NATO helos it has the Hunter Killer special rule: use terrain as concealment and unless you fire, you're concealed and only being hit on a roll of 6+.

As is mostly the case with such units, the downside is cost: two Apaches will hurt you for 12, the full platoon of four for 24. They're expensive, but just like the Cobra, in the right conditions they'll murder the hell out of any Soviet that has the misfortune of being in front of them.

IRL[edit | edit source]

*insert your favorite early to mid 90s metal song here*

The Boeing AH-64 Apache strangely enough, shares its origins with the A-10 Warthog - because USAF flyboys like to play fast and loose with the CAS mission and believe every problem on the ground can be solved with strategic bombing. In the 1970s, Lockheed's compound helicopter the AH-56 Cheyenne made chair force generals shit their collective panties. The Cheyenne was to be the god of CAS incarnate, a helicopter that could push 250 mph with more weapons than the Cobra and maneuverability that would make the Red Baron sick with envy; this was a helicopter that could credibly take on conventional aircraft in low altitude air-to-air with at least a chance of coming out on top. Allowing the Army to have such a chopper would make the flyboys completely irrelevant for CAS missions, and pile on their growing track record of bad decisions (see Century Series fighters, F-111, and lack of a gun on the F-4). The Cheyenne forced Air Force brass to stop thumbing their noses at the Fighter Mafia's CAS proposal and adopt the Warthog in order to force the Army into canceling the AH-56.

In the end, the Army got what it wanted, then issued an RFP for a conventional Attack Helicopter. In 1975, Boeing's YAH-64 won the contract over Bell's YAH-63. The first combat mission was during Operation Just Cause, the US invasion of Panama SELF-DEFENSE OPERATION OF THE GLOBALLY IMPORTANT PANAMA CANAL; the true test of the Apache's effectiveness came during the Gulf War. Out of 277, only one AH-64 was shot down during Desert Storm via close-range RPG: the only real issues the Army experienced were logistics and workload. During Operation Allied Force in 1999, other problems also cropped up, which are obviously due to the inferior tools, technology and training of the day; post-2000 variants don't have those issues. The Apache's biggest successes were during the Afghan and Iraq Wars. Many of the choppers that were shot down were eventually restored to working order.

The typical armament of the AH-64 is the M230 30mm Chaingun. A huge pain in the ass to reload. The rockets it mounts are either Hydra 70s, CRV7s or APKWS. Missile options consist of AGM-114 Hellfire, AIM-92 Stingers (the A2A version of the Stinger), Israeli Spikes, and hilariously, the AIM-9 Sidewinder (mostly for its anti-radar brother, the AGM-122 Sidearm, so it can serve as a discount low-altitude wild weasel). The AH-64D Longbow variant has 2 additional stations on the wingtips for missiles.

The most significant upgrade is the AH-64E Guardian, which allows the gunner to control RQ-7 Shadow or MQ-1C Grey Eagle drones for recon or additional firepower.

Proposed upgrades for the Apache are a laser weapon system (a likely upgrade from the M230 because again, reloading it sucks ass) and replacing the tail fan with a pusher propeller. The latter will increase its speed to 185 knots and range to 460 NMI, from 158 knots and 257 NMI, respectively. It also extends the wings, adding two hardpoints for a total number of six. Since the Cheyenne the USAF whined about was one of the earliest compound helicopters, if the AH-64E Block 2 Compound were ever to happen, it would be the ultimate irony as it would look like the Army metaphorically poking the flyboys in the eye with one hand while flipping the bird with the other.

The Apache will mostly likely serve alongside and eventually be replaced by the US Army with a derivative of the Sikorsky–Boeing SB1-Defiant in the 2030s. Another Compound Helicopter like the Cheyenne, the Defiant is the contract winner of the Future Vertical Lift program alongside the Bell V-280 Valor, a tiltrotor aircraft more advanced than the V-22 Osprey.

It is also a gender.

US Forces in Team Yankee
Tanks: M1 Abrams - M60 Patton - M551 Sheridan - RDF/LT
Transports: M113 Armored Personnel Carrier - UH-1 Huey - AAVP7 - Bradley Fighting Vehicle - Pickup Trucks
Troops: US Mech Platoon - Marine Rifle Platoon - Huey Rifle Platoon - HMMWV Machine Gun Platoon - Light Motor Infantry Platoon - Irregular Militia Group
Artillery: M106 Heavy Mortar Carrier - M109 Howitzer - LAV-M - M270 MLRS
Anti-Aircraft: M163 VADS - M48 Chaparral - M247 Sergeant York - HMMWV SAM
Tank Hunters: M901 ITV - HMMWV-TOW - LAV-AT
Recon: M113 FIST- M113 Scout Section - HMMWV Scout Section - LAV-25 - Bradley Fighting Vehicle
Aircraft: A-10 Warthog - AV-8 Harrier - AH-1 Cobra Attack Helicopter - AH-64 Apache Attack Helicopter