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==In Team Yankee==
==In Team Yankee==
[[File:Frogfoot Star Card.jpg|left|300px|thumb|The Stat Card]]
[[File:Frogfoot Star Card.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Stronk tank-destroyer, tovarich.]]
Oh God.
By Stalin's glorious mustache, while in previous years of Team Yankee you could leave this parked on some backwater airfield, you ''NEED'' this thing in Team Yankee V2. With competition from the cheaper, but more vulnerable, [[SU-22 Fitter]] in the new Warsaw Pact book the SU-25 may no longer the best choice. Further play testing will be needed.


(Note: Czech, East German and Polish armies can bring SU-25s as allied units from the Soviets and follow the Soviet profile).
While previously considered the poor man's counterpart to the A-10, the Frogfoot now plays an important role as a tank hunter against the new NATO super tanks.


For the questionable price of 3.5 points per aircraft in a company/flight of 2, 4 or 6 aircraft, you get access to what is possibly the most specialized unit around. While it boasts Soviet-level aircraft armor (4+ save and 3+ morale), its armaments are incredibly poor. Whether compared to other nations' offerings or alternatives in the same army, the Frogfoot fails to compete. 4+ to enter the board does NOT help things either, which effectively means that your Frogfoots will only enter the field half the time (or basically every moment that you need them to come in).  
===Soviet===
Soviet, WARPACT and Oilwar commanders should make ample use of the Frog's heavy anti-tank missiles to keep heavy tanks honest. A flight of 4-6 Frogs are now a practically mandatory investment in order to fight M1a1s and Challengers. Clocking in at 14 or 21 points, these battletoads will watch your back while you rush B for uncle Joe.  


The main armament of the Frogfoot is the KH-25 ATGM, boasting guided and HEAT meaning that it will never take penalties from range. Combined with brutal, this makes the Kh-25 an excellent choice for turning infantry or (probably) light vehicles such as Chapperals inside out. Otherwise, AT27 ensures an auto penetration against tanks at any range, and 2+ firepower ensures that anything hit stays dead. The downside to this undeniably powerful missile is simply that the USSR has other FAR more cost-effective options.  
The main armament of the Frogfoot is the KH-25 ATGM, boasting Guided and HEAT, meaning that it will never take penalties from range. Combined with Brutal, this makes the Kh-25 an excellent choice for turning infantry or (probably) light vehicles such as Chapperals inside out. Otherwise, AT27 ensures an auto penetration against most tanks at any range, and 2+ firepower ensures that anything hit stays dead. The downside to this undeniably powerful missile is simply that the USSR has other FAR more cost-effective options. Other weapons can be effectively ignored unless you're flexing on someone who forgot to bring anti-air.


For a lower price and more utility, players using the KH-25 for its anti-squishy capability (...why?) may consider using Acacias with Krasnopol projectiles instead; having an artillery template which can destroy dug-in units or even tanks, all without the risk of taking anti-air fire. Those using the KH-25 for the obvious anti-tank role might consider the MI-24D company instead. While equipped with inferior armaments (AT23, 3+ firepower and 8" less maximum range), the mobility of the Hind allows a smart player to guarantee auto-pens via side shots. With most NATO anti-air having the range to protect at least half the board, such range boosts are effectively useless. The ability to stay on the board and keep firing missiles or withdraw makes it an infinitely more reliable choice than the Frogfoot in this regard.
Being unpredictable as all aircraft are, the Frog acts as a sword of Damocles to punish NATO players for getting cocky with their super tanks. While the new tanks still get a 6+ bail save vs the AT27 missiles, Frogs still have great odds of knocking out an 18 point monster head on. In a pinch, the they can instead be used to winkle out dug in infantry in support of an assault, but the 8" safety distance is a bummer.


Even with the option for an anti-helicopter autocannon, the simple fact is that the Soviets have autocannons running EVERYWHERE. Shilkas, BMP-2s, and Hinds have similar armament, with lower cost and more utility. Players needing to employ the rocket launcher would be few indeed; artillery is very survivable in Team Yankee.
Savvy pilots will learn to chart out weak spots in the opponent's AA umbrella (remember kids, premeasuring is not a war crime) and thread the needle to snipe tanks at maximum range. 28" goes a long way towards hiding your somewhat fragile planes away from AA guns (but probably not missiles).  


TLDR: An aircraft overshadowed in all aspects by the Hind. BAD.
TLDR: Try hard. Get good. Turn tanks inside out.
 
===Czechoslovakian===
 
The new Warsaw Pact book includes Czech piloted Su-25s for their forces instead of Soviet ones.
These feature improved skill of 4+ in exchange for lower morale, which is irrelevant for aircraft.
Cost is the same as the Soviet version. Play testing will be needed to compare these with the [[SU-22 Fitter]].


==IRL==
==IRL==
[[File:Frogfoot IRL.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Powered by vodka, piloted by Gopnik.]]
[[File:Frogfoot IRL.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Powered by vodka, piloted by Gopnik.]]
The [[wikipedia:Sukhoi_Su-25|Sukhoi SU-25 "Frogfoot"]] has the distinguishment of being the only modern Ground Attack aircraft (meaning that the plane is almost incapable of performing any other missions such as reconnaissance or interception) besides the [[A-10 Warthog]], with the close-air support role being performed by helicopters, drones or multirole aircraft. The Soviets came to the same conclusions as the Americans when it came to what was needed for such an aircraft; the SU-25 has a heavily armored cockpit and fires a 30mm autocannon, as well as a variety of missiles and bombs. The SU-25 was used in the Soviet-Afghan wars, while its export variants have been used in various conflicts in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. The SU25 uses a Gast gun mechanism instead of a Gatling gun. Rate of fire is slower but more accurate and the aircraft is more a multi-role aircraft than the A-10.  
The [[wikipedia:Sukhoi_Su-25|Sukhoi SU-25 "Frogfoot"]] has the distinction of being the only modern ground attack aircraft (meaning that the plane is almost incapable of performing any other missions such as reconnaissance or interception) besides the [[A-10 Warthog]], with the close-air support role being performed by helicopters, drones or multi-role aircraft. The Soviets came to the same conclusions as the Americans when it came to what was needed for such an aircraft; the SU-25 has a heavily armored cockpit and fires a 30mm autocannon, as well as a variety of missiles and bombs. The SU-25 was used in the Soviet-Afghan wars, while its export variants have been used in various conflicts in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. The SU25 uses a Gast gun mechanism instead of a Gatling gun. Rate of fire is slower but more accurate and the aircraft is more a multi-role aircraft than the A-10.
 
Also, if you're wondering why the hell it's called a 'Frogfoot', it's because that was its NATO reporting name. The idea is that the word is something unlikely to come up in casual conversation so if you said 'frogfoot' everybody would know what you're talking about. The "F" means it was an attack or fighter aircraft, and two-syllable means it was jet powered.


Also if you're wondering why the hell it's called a 'Frogfoot', it's because that was it's NATO reporting name. The idea is that the word is something unlikely to come up in casual conversation so if you said 'frogfoot' everybody would know what you're talking about. The "F" means it was an attack or fighter aircraft, and two-syllable means it was jet powered.
Although the "Frogfoot" is depicted (so far) as being exclusively flown by the Soviet Air Force, the Czechoslovakians had some of them, too. After the end of the Cold War and the breakup of Czechoslovakia, the two successor states, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, each took possession of some of their former country's Su-25s. The aircraft has seen heavy use on both sides of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.


{{Soviet Forces in Team Yankee}}
{{Soviet Forces in Team Yankee}}

Latest revision as of 15:48, 22 June 2023

*ribbit*

In Team Yankee[edit | edit source]

Stronk tank-destroyer, tovarich.

By Stalin's glorious mustache, while in previous years of Team Yankee you could leave this parked on some backwater airfield, you NEED this thing in Team Yankee V2. With competition from the cheaper, but more vulnerable, SU-22 Fitter in the new Warsaw Pact book the SU-25 may no longer the best choice. Further play testing will be needed.

While previously considered the poor man's counterpart to the A-10, the Frogfoot now plays an important role as a tank hunter against the new NATO super tanks.

Soviet[edit | edit source]

Soviet, WARPACT and Oilwar commanders should make ample use of the Frog's heavy anti-tank missiles to keep heavy tanks honest. A flight of 4-6 Frogs are now a practically mandatory investment in order to fight M1a1s and Challengers. Clocking in at 14 or 21 points, these battletoads will watch your back while you rush B for uncle Joe.

The main armament of the Frogfoot is the KH-25 ATGM, boasting Guided and HEAT, meaning that it will never take penalties from range. Combined with Brutal, this makes the Kh-25 an excellent choice for turning infantry or (probably) light vehicles such as Chapperals inside out. Otherwise, AT27 ensures an auto penetration against most tanks at any range, and 2+ firepower ensures that anything hit stays dead. The downside to this undeniably powerful missile is simply that the USSR has other FAR more cost-effective options. Other weapons can be effectively ignored unless you're flexing on someone who forgot to bring anti-air.

Being unpredictable as all aircraft are, the Frog acts as a sword of Damocles to punish NATO players for getting cocky with their super tanks. While the new tanks still get a 6+ bail save vs the AT27 missiles, Frogs still have great odds of knocking out an 18 point monster head on. In a pinch, the they can instead be used to winkle out dug in infantry in support of an assault, but the 8" safety distance is a bummer.

Savvy pilots will learn to chart out weak spots in the opponent's AA umbrella (remember kids, premeasuring is not a war crime) and thread the needle to snipe tanks at maximum range. 28" goes a long way towards hiding your somewhat fragile planes away from AA guns (but probably not missiles).

TLDR: Try hard. Get good. Turn tanks inside out.

Czechoslovakian[edit | edit source]

The new Warsaw Pact book includes Czech piloted Su-25s for their forces instead of Soviet ones. These feature improved skill of 4+ in exchange for lower morale, which is irrelevant for aircraft. Cost is the same as the Soviet version. Play testing will be needed to compare these with the SU-22 Fitter.

IRL[edit | edit source]

Powered by vodka, piloted by Gopnik.

The Sukhoi SU-25 "Frogfoot" has the distinction of being the only modern ground attack aircraft (meaning that the plane is almost incapable of performing any other missions such as reconnaissance or interception) besides the A-10 Warthog, with the close-air support role being performed by helicopters, drones or multi-role aircraft. The Soviets came to the same conclusions as the Americans when it came to what was needed for such an aircraft; the SU-25 has a heavily armored cockpit and fires a 30mm autocannon, as well as a variety of missiles and bombs. The SU-25 was used in the Soviet-Afghan wars, while its export variants have been used in various conflicts in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. The SU25 uses a Gast gun mechanism instead of a Gatling gun. Rate of fire is slower but more accurate and the aircraft is more a multi-role aircraft than the A-10.

Also, if you're wondering why the hell it's called a 'Frogfoot', it's because that was its NATO reporting name. The idea is that the word is something unlikely to come up in casual conversation so if you said 'frogfoot' everybody would know what you're talking about. The "F" means it was an attack or fighter aircraft, and two-syllable means it was jet powered.

Although the "Frogfoot" is depicted (so far) as being exclusively flown by the Soviet Air Force, the Czechoslovakians had some of them, too. After the end of the Cold War and the breakup of Czechoslovakia, the two successor states, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, each took possession of some of their former country's Su-25s. The aircraft has seen heavy use on both sides of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Soviet Forces in Team Yankee
Tanks: T55AM2 - T-62M - T-64 - T-72 - T-80 - T-72B - T-64BV
Transports: BTR-60 - BMP-1 - BMP-2 - BMP-3 -BMD-1 - BMD-2 - BTR-D
Troops: Motor Rifle Company - Hind Assault Landing Company - Afghansty Air Assault Company - BMP Shock Motor Rifle Company - BMD Air Assault Company - Afghansty BMD Air Assault Platoon
Artillery: 2S1 Carnation - 2S3 Acacia - BM-21 Hail - TOS-1 Buratino - BM-27 Uragan - 2S9 Nona - BM-37 82mm mortar platoon
Anti-Aircraft: ZSU 23-4 Shilka - SA-13 Gopher - SA-9 Gaskin - SA-8 Gecko - 2S6 Tunguska - BTR-ZD
Tank Hunters: Spandrel - Storm - BTR-RD - ASU-85
Recon: BMP-1 OP - BRDM-2
Aircraft: SU-22 Fitter - SU-25 Frogfoot - MI-24 Hind
East German Forces in Team Yankee
Tanks: T-55 - T55AM2 - T-72M - T-72B
Transports: BTR-60 - BMP-1 - BMP-2
Troops: Mot-Schützen Kompanie - Hind Assault Landing Company
Artillery: 2S1 Carnation - BM-21 Hail - RM-70 - 2S3 Acacia
Anti-Aircraft: ZSU 23-4 Shilka - SA-13 Gopher - SA9 Gaskin - SA-8 Gecko
Tank Hunters: Spandrel
Recon: BMP-1 OP - BRDM-2
Aircraft: MI-24 Hind - SU-22 Fitter
Soviet Support: SU-25 Frogfoot
Polish Forces in Team Yankee
Tanks: T-55 - T55AM2 - T-72M - T-72B
Transports: SKOT-2A - BMP-1 - BMP-2
Troops: Zmotory Kompania - Hind Assault Landing Company
Artillery: Dana SpGH - BM-21 Hail
Anti-Aircraft: ZSU 23-4 Shilka - SA-13 Gopher -SA-8 Gecko
Tank Hunters: Spandrel
Recon: BMP-1 OP - BRDM-2
Aircraft: MI-24 Hind - SU-22 Fitter
Soviet Support: SU-25 Frogfoot
Czech Forces in Team Yankee
Tanks: T-55 - T55AM2 - T-72M - T-72B
Transports: OT-64 - BMP-1 - BMP-2
Troops: Motostrelci
Artillery: 2S1 Carnation - Dana SpGH - RM-70
Anti-Aircraft: ZSU 23-4 Shilka - SA-8 Gecko - SA9 Gaskin - SA-13 Gopher - M53/59 Praga
Tank Hunters: Spandrel
Recon: BMP-1 OP - BRDM-2
Aircraft: MI-24 Hind - SU-25 Frogfoot - SU-22 Fitter
Iranian Forces in Team Yankee
Tanks: T-55 - T-62 - M60 Patton - Chieftain
Transports: M113 Armored Personnel Carrier - BTR-60 - BMP-1
Troops: Iranian Mechanized Platoon - Basij Infantry Company
Artillery: M109 Howitzer - BM-21 Hail - M125 81mm
Anti-Aircraft: ZSU 23-4 Shilka - ZSU-57-2 - SA-8 Gecko
Tank Hunters: Jeep TOW - Jeep 106mm Recoilless - M113 106mm Recoilless
Recon: Scorpion
Aircraft: AH-1 Cobra Attack Helicopter
Soviet Support: SU-25 Frogfoot
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