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==The canon part== | ==The canon part== | ||
Those of you now worried that 40k is sexist shouldn't be. [[Grimdark|It is equally oppressive to everyone.]] | |||
According to [[fluff]], the [[Space Marine]] creation process only works on males because "the [[gene-seed]] zygotes are keyed to male hormones and tissue types" ([[God-Emperor of Mankind|and presumably also Big Boss' superior dominant genes]]). This means the process was designed exclusively for males and simply will not work on women. | |||
According to [[fluff]], the [[Space Marine]] creation process only works on males because "the [[gene-seed]] zygotes are keyed to male hormones and tissue types" ([[God-Emperor of Mankind|and presumably also Big Boss' superior dominant genes]]). This | |||
Additionally, they're descended from the Primarchs, who were meant to be the sons of the Emperor, who was a bloke. Which is a fucking weak reason to not have female space marines, as obviously a father can have sons AND daughters. Furthermore, if GW wanted, they could have written the setting with the gene-seed working on women as well, but they didn't. Nobody knows why, though ''theories'' abound ranging from things such as status quo (simply GW's dislike of change), sexism (thinking having female space marines will ruin an "M for Manly" image GW wants for them), or the basic principle of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" (what would they even add to the setting that isn't already there?). | |||
From an in-universe standpoint, it was mentioned in one of the Horus Heresy books that [[Malcador the Sigillite]] had suggested making one or two of the Primarchs female, half-jokingly saying that it might help to defuse competition between them. The Emperor was not amused by this at all and insisted that it simply couldn't be done. (And really, who wants to try to argue with him about it?) | |||
In canon terms, the closest female equivalent to a Space Marine would be the [[Sisters of Battle]], although they're not exactly as powerful as a marine and lack the gene-seed modifications and superhuman abilities that a Space Marine possesses. | |||
==What would a female Space Marine look like if they could exist?== | |||
==What would a female Space Marine look like?== | |||
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Obviously, in the land of Rule 63 they are amazingly hot (and would totally do you), but in dark and gritty fluff-land where they would be optimised for combat rather than jacking off, they would probably have very few notable female features left following surgery and genetic fuckery; they'd have very similar musculature to males, most likely would lack breasts (due to both the removal of sex hormones and the trimming of any "fat" that would make armor uncomfortable), their body shape would only differ very slightly to a male's because of their enhance skeletal structure, and all of this would be compounded by the fact that Space Marines are renowned for wearing fuckhueg suits of armour that obscure most of their physical features anyway. A female Space Marine with her helmet on would look like a regular Space Marine. | Obviously, in the land of Rule 63 they are amazingly hot (and would totally do you), but in dark and gritty fluff-land where they would be optimised for combat rather than jacking off, they would probably have very few notable female features left following surgery and genetic fuckery; they'd have very similar musculature to males, most likely would lack breasts (due to both the removal of sex hormones and the trimming of any "fat" that would make armor uncomfortable), their body shape would only differ very slightly to a male's because of their enhance skeletal structure, and all of this would be compounded by the fact that Space Marines are renowned for wearing fuckhueg suits of armour that obscure most of their physical features anyway. A female Space Marine with her helmet on would look like a regular Space Marine. | ||
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This was ''confirmed'' in one of the earlier Chapter Approved articles - one that re-introduced mounted [[Daemonette]]s - in which a Governer-Militant fighting a Slaanesh warband mused that there were (apparently female) creatures that [[Heresy|were once Space Marines, but no longer]]. Considering Chaos can cause [[Chaos Spawn|that which must never be named]], is anyone surprised by this? | This was ''confirmed'' in one of the earlier Chapter Approved articles - one that re-introduced mounted [[Daemonette]]s - in which a Governer-Militant fighting a Slaanesh warband mused that there were (apparently female) creatures that [[Heresy|were once Space Marines, but no longer]]. Considering Chaos can cause [[Chaos Spawn|that which must never be named]], is anyone surprised by this? | ||
==[[Honsou]], You Sick Fuck== | ==[[Honsou]], You Sick Fuck== | ||
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You see, [[Honsou]] of the [[Iron Warriors]], in an effort to squeeze new MAHREENS into the ranks without having to pay that other sick fuck [[Fabius Bile]] for clones, created a system of hideousness and sadness that pushes [[grimdark]] to a whole new level. He invented the [[Daemonculaba]], a system whereby a woman is chained and fed stuff which will morph her and her womb into something that was never meant to be. A boy is then (yes, a child), jammed, shoved or cut INTO the vagina and stays there for a while. When his time is ready, he, now XBAWKS HUEG and STRONG, will have to [[rip and tear|rip, tear]], or otherwise push his way out of his adoptive mother's womb/vagina. When he emerges, he will either be a fleshless mutant abomination, or will emerge as a fleshless, fully functional Chaos Space Marine in a fraction of the time, with all his growth stages and bionics and gene-seed already taken care of. How? [[Meme|It's fucking science]]. | You see, [[Honsou]] of the [[Iron Warriors]], in an effort to squeeze new MAHREENS into the ranks without having to pay that other sick fuck [[Fabius Bile]] for clones, created a system of hideousness and sadness that pushes [[grimdark]] to a whole new level. He invented the [[Daemonculaba]], a system whereby a woman is chained and fed stuff which will morph her and her womb into something that was never meant to be. A boy is then (yes, a child), jammed, shoved or cut INTO the vagina and stays there for a while. When his time is ready, he, now XBAWKS HUEG and STRONG, will have to [[rip and tear|rip, tear]], or otherwise push his way out of his adoptive mother's womb/vagina. When he emerges, he will either be a fleshless mutant abomination, or will emerge as a fleshless, fully functional Chaos Space Marine in a fraction of the time, with all his growth stages and bionics and gene-seed already taken care of. How? [[Meme|It's fucking science]]. | ||
This goes back to our Female Space Marine - you see, while she was being morphed and changed, [[Dark Mechanicus]] Biologos hereteks worked on her body, implanting gene-seed and making her physically a Female Space Marine, even if the form is rather off. Thus, her womb can turn children as well into Space Marines by having her womb 'grow' the required | This goes back to our Female Space Marine - you see, while she was being morphed and changed, [[Dark Mechanicus]] Biologos hereteks worked on her body, implanting gene-seed and making her physically a Female Space Marine, even if the form is rather off. Thus, her womb can turn children as well into Space Marines by having her womb 'grow' the required organs and stages directly into their bodies in a fraction of the time, days and weeks instead of years. Thankfully for the entire universe, this horror was destroyed before Honsou realized he could stick girls in there as well, and get double the recruits, and stumble upon the secret to true Female Space Marines. | ||
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==A slightly more reasonable answer== | ==A slightly more reasonable answer== | ||
The problem really is one of terminology. Women can wear power armour, certainly. Women can, through steroids, incessant bodybuilding, high protein diet, and a little genetic modding, be as buff and rocking as a space marine. But what really makes a space marine a space marine is all of the extra genetically-engineered organs and DNA and whatnot cloned from the Primarchs and implanted in the right way. | The problem really is one of terminology. Women can wear power armour, certainly. Women can, through steroids, incessant bodybuilding, high protein diet, and a little genetic modding, be as buff and rocking as a space marine. But what really makes a space marine a space marine is all of the extra genetically-engineered organs and DNA and whatnot cloned from the Primarchs and implanted in the right way, which is impossible for women for reasons the Emperor refused to explain. The closest thing to an exception in the fluff is any experiment involving Fabius Bile, unless the topic is Honsou of the Iron Warriors. If Fabius Bile is doing it then its kinda more likely that he'd make you a dude with titties and a weird demon vagina than an actual female space marine, and he will do this by rebirthing you (not reincarnation) inside a bloated woman's uterus, and it should be noted that the said woman is effectively lobotomized. Because he's a swell guy like that. And even if he did make you a female space marine for reals, she still wouldn't be a space marine, just a weird, mutilated, chaos infused thing that approximates a space marine but can never truly be one. | ||
Worth noting, however, that given that Bile's experimented on damn-near everything (including the entire civilian populations of several planets) at some point or another for his attempts to duplicate the methods for creating new space marines, there's ample evidence to suggest that [[/d/|he's tried it at least once]]. Fucking [[Slaanesh]]. | Worth noting, however, that given that Bile's experimented on damn-near everything (including the entire civilian populations of several planets) at some point or another for his attempts to duplicate the methods for creating new space marines, there's ample evidence to suggest that [[/d/|he's tried it at least once]]. Fucking [[Slaanesh]]. | ||
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There is no tactic more effective for enraging a die-hard SPESS MEHREENS fanboy than discussing/drawing their Rule 63 companion, Female Space Marines. Not to be confused with Sisters of Battle, the canonical equivalent to Space Marines and also armed with bolters and chainswords, but Space Marine Space Marines of the Adeptus Astartes, you know, the hypermuscular ones with Pauldrons. According to Games Workshop canon, the procedures that are used to create a Space Marine only work properly on male subjects, rendering female Marines impossible; however, masturbators on the internet have not allowed this to deter them. Sometimes it is pointed out that back in the Rogue Trader days, Games Workshop did briefly produce two power-armoured female models, but they were changed to "Female Adventurers in Power Armour" and were never meant to represent female Marines. Considering this is from Games Workshop, who routinely violates their own canon in subsequent editions, fanbase be damned, take this as you will.
It's worth noting, though, that Games Workshop hasn't deterred /tg/ (or indeed, the Black Library writers) from coming up with ways to potentially allow for them, even with Space Marines being exclusively male being one of the rare things they've kept consistent. This is because, as was brought up in previous articles, little gets between a man and his fapbait.
The canon part
Those of you now worried that 40k is sexist shouldn't be. It is equally oppressive to everyone.
According to fluff, the Space Marine creation process only works on males because "the gene-seed zygotes are keyed to male hormones and tissue types" (and presumably also Big Boss' superior dominant genes). This means the process was designed exclusively for males and simply will not work on women.
Additionally, they're descended from the Primarchs, who were meant to be the sons of the Emperor, who was a bloke. Which is a fucking weak reason to not have female space marines, as obviously a father can have sons AND daughters. Furthermore, if GW wanted, they could have written the setting with the gene-seed working on women as well, but they didn't. Nobody knows why, though theories abound ranging from things such as status quo (simply GW's dislike of change), sexism (thinking having female space marines will ruin an "M for Manly" image GW wants for them), or the basic principle of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" (what would they even add to the setting that isn't already there?).
From an in-universe standpoint, it was mentioned in one of the Horus Heresy books that Malcador the Sigillite had suggested making one or two of the Primarchs female, half-jokingly saying that it might help to defuse competition between them. The Emperor was not amused by this at all and insisted that it simply couldn't be done. (And really, who wants to try to argue with him about it?)
In canon terms, the closest female equivalent to a Space Marine would be the Sisters of Battle, although they're not exactly as powerful as a marine and lack the gene-seed modifications and superhuman abilities that a Space Marine possesses.
What would a female Space Marine look like if they could exist?
Obviously, in the land of Rule 63 they are amazingly hot (and would totally do you), but in dark and gritty fluff-land where they would be optimised for combat rather than jacking off, they would probably have very few notable female features left following surgery and genetic fuckery; they'd have very similar musculature to males, most likely would lack breasts (due to both the removal of sex hormones and the trimming of any "fat" that would make armor uncomfortable), their body shape would only differ very slightly to a male's because of their enhance skeletal structure, and all of this would be compounded by the fact that Space Marines are renowned for wearing fuckhueg suits of armour that obscure most of their physical features anyway. A female Space Marine with her helmet on would look like a regular Space Marine.
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They'd also be completely sterile. Like, more-so than the males; no sex hormones means no ovulation, assuming they even let her keep those ovaries. Progenoid glands would still play a vital role in gene-seed replication.
SSSSSIIIIIINNNNNNDDDDRRRRRRIIIII!!
Unexpected salvation - there are indeed (99.46% possible) Female Space Marines!...in The Eye Of Terror. Well out of it too - see, due to the nature of Chaos, mutations are often a fact of life. Some desired, some not. What if one hulked out, burning, warped Chaos Space Marine secretly wishes he was the cute little girl who got flowers? Who smiled with joy? Who was so sweet?
What if his gods are listening? If the nature of Chaos is what it is to any extent, there is a chance his deity will bestow him with what he has always wanted. Though of course, he could just as easily get an extra tentacle arm, or get mutated into that which must never be named - such is the nature of Chaos. Slaanesh especially grants this as a matter of routine, and its a safe bet to make that quite a lot of the Emperor's Children men are actually now women, or rather hermaphs. Such is the will of Slaanesh.
This was confirmed in one of the earlier Chapter Approved articles - one that re-introduced mounted Daemonettes - in which a Governer-Militant fighting a Slaanesh warband mused that there were (apparently female) creatures that were once Space Marines, but no longer. Considering Chaos can cause that which must never be named, is anyone surprised by this?
Honsou, You Sick Fuck
We know that you among the fans, despite all our attempts to dissaude you, want cute FEMALE SPHESS MAHREENS! And there is good news - technically, there ARE Female Space Marines IN OFFICIAL LORE. The catch? Yes there is a catch. And this one is the worst.
Your FSM is a bloated, twisted, undying, insane, mutated pregnant mother-slave only alive because she's in the Eye of Terror.
You see, Honsou of the Iron Warriors, in an effort to squeeze new MAHREENS into the ranks without having to pay that other sick fuck Fabius Bile for clones, created a system of hideousness and sadness that pushes grimdark to a whole new level. He invented the Daemonculaba, a system whereby a woman is chained and fed stuff which will morph her and her womb into something that was never meant to be. A boy is then (yes, a child), jammed, shoved or cut INTO the vagina and stays there for a while. When his time is ready, he, now XBAWKS HUEG and STRONG, will have to rip, tear, or otherwise push his way out of his adoptive mother's womb/vagina. When he emerges, he will either be a fleshless mutant abomination, or will emerge as a fleshless, fully functional Chaos Space Marine in a fraction of the time, with all his growth stages and bionics and gene-seed already taken care of. How? It's fucking science.
This goes back to our Female Space Marine - you see, while she was being morphed and changed, Dark Mechanicus Biologos hereteks worked on her body, implanting gene-seed and making her physically a Female Space Marine, even if the form is rather off. Thus, her womb can turn children as well into Space Marines by having her womb 'grow' the required organs and stages directly into their bodies in a fraction of the time, days and weeks instead of years. Thankfully for the entire universe, this horror was destroyed before Honsou realized he could stick girls in there as well, and get double the recruits, and stumble upon the secret to true Female Space Marines.
RAEG
RAGE is generated by the tactic in two distinct ways; either the neckbeard(s) assume that the creator of the work in question is unaware of the Space Marine fluff, and rage about his or her ignorance; failing that, it becomes clear that they are well aware of the fluff regarding these matters and willingly chose to disregard it, sending the poor neckbeards into fits of spastic rage that anyone would dare deliberately defile the sacrosanct canon of Games Workshop's masterpiece.
Still, the aforementioned creator will just ignore him.
A slightly more reasonable answer
The problem really is one of terminology. Women can wear power armour, certainly. Women can, through steroids, incessant bodybuilding, high protein diet, and a little genetic modding, be as buff and rocking as a space marine. But what really makes a space marine a space marine is all of the extra genetically-engineered organs and DNA and whatnot cloned from the Primarchs and implanted in the right way, which is impossible for women for reasons the Emperor refused to explain. The closest thing to an exception in the fluff is any experiment involving Fabius Bile, unless the topic is Honsou of the Iron Warriors. If Fabius Bile is doing it then its kinda more likely that he'd make you a dude with titties and a weird demon vagina than an actual female space marine, and he will do this by rebirthing you (not reincarnation) inside a bloated woman's uterus, and it should be noted that the said woman is effectively lobotomized. Because he's a swell guy like that. And even if he did make you a female space marine for reals, she still wouldn't be a space marine, just a weird, mutilated, chaos infused thing that approximates a space marine but can never truly be one.
Worth noting, however, that given that Bile's experimented on damn-near everything (including the entire civilian populations of several planets) at some point or another for his attempts to duplicate the methods for creating new space marines, there's ample evidence to suggest that he's tried it at least once. Fucking Slaanesh.
Summary
For the most part, anyone who actually makes an army of female Space Marines does it to garner the most ire from the most diehard fans. Like playing a Tau army, it's all about drinking the rage-induced tears.
And if you hate this whole sexual dichotomy thing between Sororitas and Adeptus Asartes, you can always play IG, but unfortunately, GW doesn't have the variety of female Astra Militarum troops (unless it's Ordo Tempestus so everyone wears helmets and heavy armor, or you happen to have an immense amount of 1st edition Imperial Guard, which included two female IG models) to win the Golden Demon with some double x chromosome Guards in your army. In that case, the only thing that matters are the heads, because battle armor, despite what a certain sorority believes, is more practical for everyone including women if it doesn't include armored boob cups.
See Also
- Golden Aquilas: /tg/ homebrew chapter, designed to cause as much RAEG and accusations of derp as possible.
- Space Marines: Rule 63 equivalent of female space...Wait.
- Sisters of Battle: the warrior nuns of the Imperium that typically are actually armed with bolters and chainswords and whom might be construed to some reasonable extent as being the 'female space marines' of Warhammer 40,000
- Samus: How about a female Primarch?
Gallery
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And if you think this is bad, once a month they all gain Frenzy.
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Lol. Why u mad though?
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Brother-sister Igpay Atinlay boldly distracts the Tyranid foe.
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Not in fact Horo.
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She'd be even scarier if she took off that mask
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DYKE OUTTA FUCKING NOWHERE!
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Your eyes should start bleeding right about now.
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PMS BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
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The Emperor made the Primarchs to be the greatest human warriors of all time, but even they were not immune to Rule 63.
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She was not amused by this development.
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Don't piss off Mama Smurf. Your genitals will not survive.
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Somehow still less of a failure than the real Abaddon. Of course! Her arms haven't fallen off!
