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'''Redemptor Dreadnoughts''' are the newest additions to the [[Space Marines|Space Marines']] armored lineup, combining the latest innovations of [[Belisarius Cawl|Big Daddy Cawl]] with the experience of a crippled old veteran. Like all things [[Primaris Space Marines|Primaris]], they're bigger and more powerful than their brethren (being at least as large as the [[Dreadnought#Leviathan Pattern|Leviathan pattern]] and trading out its older cousin’s atomantic shielding for more weapons), and certainly a hell of a lot faster.
'''Redemptor Dreadnoughts''' are the newest additions to the [[Space Marines|Space Marines']] armored lineup, combining the latest innovations of [[Belisarius Cawl|Big Daddy Cawl]] with the experience of a crippled old veteran. Like all things [[Primaris Space Marines|Primaris]], they're bigger and more powerful than their brethren (being at least as large as the [[Leviathan Dreadnought|Leviathan pattern]] and trading out its older cousin’s atomantic shielding for more weapons), and certainly a hell of a lot faster.


They're also notably versatile in loadout - one arm packs either a [[Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon]] or [[Macro Plasma Incinerator]] to shred infantry or melt armour, respectively, while the other has an [[Meme|ECKSBAWKS FUCKHUGE]] Power Fist designed to punch Bio-Titans and larger [[daemon|daemons]] apart. It can also pack the [[Icarus Rocket Pod]] for anti-air capabilities. The [[Invictor Tactical Warsuit]] uses a stripped-down version of the chassis as its base.
They're also notably versatile in loadout - one arm packs either a [[Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon]] or [[Macro Plasma Incinerator]] to shred infantry or melt armour, respectively, while the other has an [[Meme|ECKSBAWKS FUCKHUGE]] Power Fist designed to punch Bio-Titans and larger [[daemon|daemons]] apart. It can also pack the [[Icarus Rocket Pod]] for anti-air capabilities. The [[Invictor Tactical Warsuit]] uses a stripped-down version of the chassis as its base.
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Then again, there's nothing explicitly stating that ''only'' Primaris Marines are compatible with the new dread, especially since it looks like just a standard sarcophagus installed in an upgraded chassis. It's likely that the first batch of Redemptor Dreadnoughts mostly contains regular Astartes. Furthermore, we currently <s>don't know how long the Indomitus Crusade has been going</s> know that by the time of the Dark Imperium novel and by extension the launch of 8th Edition it's been approximately 112 years since the Indomitus Crusade began and is quickly coming to a close. That's a fairly reasonable amount of time for Primaris Redemptor Dreadnoughts to become more mainstream, though considering how old some Dreads are...
Then again, there's nothing explicitly stating that ''only'' Primaris Marines are compatible with the new dread, especially since it looks like just a standard sarcophagus installed in an upgraded chassis. It's likely that the first batch of Redemptor Dreadnoughts mostly contains regular Astartes. Furthermore, we currently <s>don't know how long the Indomitus Crusade has been going</s> know that by the time of the Dark Imperium novel and by extension the launch of 8th Edition it's been approximately 112 years since the Indomitus Crusade began and is quickly coming to a close. That's a fairly reasonable amount of time for Primaris Redemptor Dreadnoughts to become more mainstream, though considering how old some Dreads are...


However, as "superior" as the Redemptor is supposed to be, it has one major battle barge-sized flaw that will likely establish it as a mere supplement to the existing dreadnought arsenal, rather than a true replacement or upgrade. For reasons that aren't entirely clear, interned Marines are known to [[Wat|die after long periods of extended use inside of a Redemptor]]. One potential explanation is that [[Belisarius Cawl|Uncle Cawl's]] minions approached the Redemptor's design with a similar mentality to that utilized on their [[Onager Dunecrawler|Onager Dunecrawlers]]. You know, the vehicle notorious for turning their drivers into disposable living batteries. Another explanation is that the Redemptor could be related in design to the Leviathan Dreadnought, given that the Leviathan's fluff states that operating it puts a terrible strain on the pilot. It is possible that the Redemptor suffers from a similar issue due to Cawl not giving any shits about how the neural uplink would affect the pilot.
However, as "superior" as the Redemptor is supposed to be, it has one major battle barge-sized flaw that will likely establish it as a mere supplement to the existing dreadnought arsenal, rather than a true replacement or upgrade. For reasons that aren't entirely clear, interned Marines are known to [[Wat|die after long periods of extended use inside of a Redemptor]]. One potential explanation is that [[Belisarius Cawl|Uncle Cawl's]] minions approached the Redemptor's design with a similar mentality to that utilized on their [[Onager Dunecrawler|Onager Dunecrawlers]]. You know, the vehicle notorious for turning their drivers into disposable living batteries. Another explanation is that the Redemptor could be related in design to the [[Leviathan Dreadnought]], given that the Leviathan's fluff states that operating it puts a terrible strain on the pilot. It is possible that the Redemptor suffers from a similar issue due to Cawl not giving any shits about how the neural uplink would affect the pilot.


Whatever the reason, the end result is the same: [[FAIL|a dreadnought chassis that fails half the point of using a dreadnought in the first place]], burning through pilots like fucking double A batteries, and this is after ''only'' a century of service. There's no way the Redemptor can be relied upon to preserve valued veterans and ancients for ''millennia'' like regular dreads can, so don't expect any prominent named characters to be put inside one of these and survive.
Whatever the reason, the end result is the same: [[FAIL|a dreadnought chassis that fails half the point of using a dreadnought in the first place]], burning through pilots like fucking double A batteries, and this is after ''only'' a century of service. There's no way the Redemptor can be relied upon to preserve valued veterans and ancients for ''millennia'' like regular dreads can, so don't expect any prominent named characters to be put inside one of these and survive.

Revision as of 07:41, 23 November 2022

Just wait until melee combat

Redemptor Dreadnoughts are the newest additions to the Space Marines' armored lineup, combining the latest innovations of Big Daddy Cawl with the experience of a crippled old veteran. Like all things Primaris, they're bigger and more powerful than their brethren (being at least as large as the Leviathan pattern and trading out its older cousin’s atomantic shielding for more weapons), and certainly a hell of a lot faster.

They're also notably versatile in loadout - one arm packs either a Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon or Macro Plasma Incinerator to shred infantry or melt armour, respectively, while the other has an ECKSBAWKS FUCKHUGE Power Fist designed to punch Bio-Titans and larger daemons apart. It can also pack the Icarus Rocket Pod for anti-air capabilities. The Invictor Tactical Warsuit uses a stripped-down version of the chassis as its base.

Overview

First mentioned in passing in the Primaris Marines FAQ. For no matter how great and glorious they may be, in the grim future even they are not immortal. Though how enough of these brand spanking-new Space Marines were curbstomped just enough to warrant Dreadnought status, we'll (probably) never know. Times are desperate. Considering the Primaris fought in the Indomitus Crusade in their hundreds of thousands for over a century it may not be as far fetched as it first appears. Also the Ultramarine captain in Dark Imperium said how the Primaris suffered disproportionally large casualty rates early in the Crusade due to lack of actual battlefield experience.

Then again, there's nothing explicitly stating that only Primaris Marines are compatible with the new dread, especially since it looks like just a standard sarcophagus installed in an upgraded chassis. It's likely that the first batch of Redemptor Dreadnoughts mostly contains regular Astartes. Furthermore, we currently don't know how long the Indomitus Crusade has been going know that by the time of the Dark Imperium novel and by extension the launch of 8th Edition it's been approximately 112 years since the Indomitus Crusade began and is quickly coming to a close. That's a fairly reasonable amount of time for Primaris Redemptor Dreadnoughts to become more mainstream, though considering how old some Dreads are...

However, as "superior" as the Redemptor is supposed to be, it has one major battle barge-sized flaw that will likely establish it as a mere supplement to the existing dreadnought arsenal, rather than a true replacement or upgrade. For reasons that aren't entirely clear, interned Marines are known to die after long periods of extended use inside of a Redemptor. One potential explanation is that Uncle Cawl's minions approached the Redemptor's design with a similar mentality to that utilized on their Onager Dunecrawlers. You know, the vehicle notorious for turning their drivers into disposable living batteries. Another explanation is that the Redemptor could be related in design to the Leviathan Dreadnought, given that the Leviathan's fluff states that operating it puts a terrible strain on the pilot. It is possible that the Redemptor suffers from a similar issue due to Cawl not giving any shits about how the neural uplink would affect the pilot.

Whatever the reason, the end result is the same: a dreadnought chassis that fails half the point of using a dreadnought in the first place, burning through pilots like fucking double A batteries, and this is after only a century of service. There's no way the Redemptor can be relied upon to preserve valued veterans and ancients for millennia like regular dreads can, so don't expect any prominent named characters to be put inside one of these and survive.

Unless... those characters are of strong enough will and body to sustain themselves despite the ludicrous strain the Dreadnought puts on them.

Crunch

The Statline has been revealed; for all of you who worried it would replace your leviathan, it hits on 3+ where the leviathan hits on 2+, minus one strength and toughness, and a 3+ save to the Leviathan's 2+. The article also said it has no atomantic shielding, so probably no invuln. no word on its weapons stats yet.

Here is the full statline for your viewing convenience:

M8" WS3+ BS3+ S7 T7 W13 A4 Ld8 S3+

It's movement drops by 2" and WS and BS drop by one for each wound bracket, so it goes down to 6" and 4+ for both at 6 wounds left and 4" and 5+ for both at 3 wounds left. Also its explosion causes D6 mortal wounds instead of the usual D3, so that's something to watch out for.

Stats are in: You have a choice between the anti-infantry dakka of the Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon or the anti-heavy infantry/light vehicles Macro Plasma Incinerator. Like other Imperial plasma weapons the latter can be overcharged with the risk of mortal wounding the bearer.

Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon: 30" Heavy12 S5 AP-1 D1

Macro Plasma Incinerator normal mode: 36" HeavyD6 S8 AP-4 D1

Macro Plasma Incinerator overcharged: 36" HeavyD6 S9 AP-4 D2

The entombed Primaris Space Marine's hatch being opened.

Then as a secondary armament you can have an Onslaught Gatling Cannon for more dakka (it's shorter range than it's heavier brother at 24" and has half the dakka at Heavy6, but other than that it's the exact same) or a Heavy Flamer, and we all should know what one of those does by now. Since the Flamer and Cannon both have the same strength, AP, and damage, you're mainly comparing the range of the Cannon vs the potential to auto-hit, even after moving, with the Flamer. Also the Cannon is a whopping 1 point cheaper than the Flamer if you need to pinch points.

In addition you can have either a pair of Storm Bolters or Fragstorm Grenade Launchers in the chassis, the former being more consistent and longer range but the latter has a max range (18") just beyond the Storm Bolter's rapid fire range (12") so it's maximum damage output is technically longer than the Storm Bolter's, but the Launcher is Assault D6 so it's number of shots is less reliable, but they can be fired after advancing. Both have the exact same strength, AP, and damage though the Fragstorms are 4 points each while Storm Bolters are only 2. With the bolter beta rule, the grenade launchers actually have a shorter maximum damage output.

Last but most certainly not least the Redemptor comes with its own special fist that is the same as the normal Dreadnought fist except it does D6 damage instead of the flat 3, so obviously the potential to dumpster something in one combat but also the risk of tickling it a little. Also of note is that the one extra Strength the Redemptor has over the more common Dreads translates into wounding things of T7 on 2+ vs the usual 3+.

I'll leave the tactical analysis for people for experienced in such things but that's all the numbers.

Notable Redemptor Dreadnoughts

Malcades: Malcades was a Redemptor Dreadnought in service to the Ultramarines Chapter who was the first Primaris Space Marine to fall in battle in the Realm of Ultramar during the Indomitus Crusade. After being placed within the shell of a Redemptor Dreadnought, he fought in the Plague Wars on the Ultramarines world of Espandor against the forces of the Plague God.

Gallery

Forces of the Primaris Marines
Command: Apothecary Biologis - Helix Adept - Judiciar - Primaris Ancient
Primaris Apothecary - Primaris Captain - Primaris Chaplain
Primaris Librarian - Primaris Lieutenant - Primaris Techmarine
Vanguard Librarian - Vanguard Lieutenant
Troops: Aggressor - Bladeguard Veteran - Desolation Squad
Eliminator - Eradicator - Hellblaster - Inceptor - Incursor
Infernus - Infiltrator - Intercessor - Reiver - Suppressor
Structures: Firestrike Servo-Turret - Hammerfall Bunker
Walkers: Ballistus Dreadnought - Brutalis Dreadnought
Invictor Tactical Warsuit - Redemptor Dreadnought
Transports: Impulsor - Repulsor Tank
Vehicles: Gladiator Tank - Invader ATV - Primaris Outriders - Storm Speeder
Super Heavies: Astraeus Super-Heavy Tank
Flyers: Overlord Gunship
Spacecraft: Space Marine Landing Craft
Allies: Space Marines
Vehicles of the Imperium of Man
Walkers Brutalis Dreadnought - Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought - Contemptor-Incaendius Dreadnought
Death Company Dreadnought - Deathwatch Dreadnought - Dreadnought - Nemesis Dreadknight
Doomglaive Dreadnought - Furioso Dreadnought - Ironstrider Ballistarius - Invictor Tactical Warsuit
Librarian Dreadnought - Mortifier - Mortis Dreadnought - Onager Dunecrawler - Penitent Engine
Redemptor Dreadnought - Sentinel - Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought - Sydonian Dragoon
Telemon Heavy Dreadnought - Throne of Judgement - Wulfen Dreadnought - Paragon Warsuit
Arachni-rig - Ballistus Dreadnought - Eldthursar - Hrimthursar - Ridge Walker
Unmanned
Robots
Auto-Gurney - Ambot - Castellan-class robot - Cataphract-class robot - Colossus-class robot
Conqueror-class robot - Crusader-class robot - Cyclops Demolition Vehicle - CATs - Nuncio-Aquila
Robot Crawler - Sanctioner Pattern Automaton - Servo-Automata - Servo-skull - Scyllax-class robot
Thanatar-class robot - Thunderfire Cannon - Vultarax stratos-automata
Transports Aurox - Chimera - Coronus Grav Carrier - Crassus Armored Assault Transport - Chronos Pattern Ironcrawler
Goliath Truck - Gorgon Armored Assault Transport - Hades Breaching Drill - Immolator - Impulsor - Macro-Hauler
Pegasus AAV - Razorback Transport - Repressor - Rhino - Road-Wheeler - Taurox - Testudo - Titan Train
Trojan Support Vehicle - Triaros Armoured Conveyer - Tunneling Transport Vehicles
Light
Vehicles
Atlas Recovery Tank - Achilles Ridgerunner - Bane Wolf - Bike Squad - Cargo-8 Ridgehauler - Centaur Utility Vehicle
Devil Dog - Field Ordnance Battery - Galvanic Servohauler - Goliath Mauler - Heavy Quad-Launcher - Hellhound
Invader ATV - Land Crawler - Outrider Quad - Pegasus AFV - Salamander Reconnaissance Tank - Scylla Light Tank
Siegfried - Squat Bike - Squat Trike - Tauros - Tectonic Fragdrill - Venator - Wolfquad
Battle
Tanks
Castigator Tank - Caladius Grav-Tank - Gladiator Tank - Kratos Heavy Assault Tank - Krios Battle Tank
Land Raider - Leman Russ Battle Tank - Predator - Ragnarok - Repulsor Tank - Rogal Dorn Battle Tank
Sabre Tank Hunter - Sicaran Battle Tank - Spartan Assault Tank - Vindicator
Ordnance Basilisk Artillery Gun - Colossus Bombard - Deathstrike Missile Launcher - Exorcist
Goliath Mega-Cannon - Griffon Heavy Mortar Carrier - Hunter - Hydra Flak Tank
Legion Arquitor Bombard - Manticore Launcher Tank - Medusa Siege Gun
Rapier Armoured Carrier - Stalker - Whirlwind - Wyvern Suppression Tank
Superheavy
Tanks
Astraeus - Baneblade - Capitol Imperialis - Cerberus Heavy Tank Destroyer - Fellblade
Leviathan - Macharius Heavy Tank - Macrocarid Explorator - Malcador Heavy Tank
Mobile Cathedral - Mastodon - Ordinatus - Typhon Heavy Siege Tank
Skimmers Dawneagle Jetbike - Escher Cutter - Gyrfalcon Pattern Jetbike - Imperial Jetbike
Javelin Attack Speeder - Grav-Cutter - Grav-Rhino - Kharon - Kyzagan Assault Speeder
Land Speeder - Land Speeder Vengeance - Pulpit of Saint Holline's Basilica
Skorpius Hover Tank - Stormrider - Storm Speeder - Pallas Grav-Attack - Abeyant
Flyers Archaeocopter - Ares Gunship - Caestus Assault Ram - Container Transporter - Corvus Blackstar
Fire Raptor - Iron Eagle Gyrocopter - Nephilim Jetfighter - Orgus Flyer - Orion Gunship - Overlord Gunship
Sky Talon - Space Marine Landing Craft - Storm Eagle - Stormbird - Stormhawk - Chiropteran
Stormraven - Stormtalon - Stormwolf - Thunderhawk - Whispercutter - Valkyrie - Vendetta - Vulture
Fighters &
Bombers
Avenger Strike Fighter - Lightning Fighter - Marauder Bomber
Stormfang - Thunderbolt Fighter - Xiphon Interceptor
Spacecraft Aquila Lander - Arvus Lighter - Boarding Torpedo - Devourer Dropship - Drop Pod
Faustus Interceptor - Fury Interceptor - Gun-Cutter - Shark Assault Boat
Starhawk Bomber - Tetrarch Heavy Lander - Galaxy Troop Ship
Titans Imperial Knight - Warhound Scout Titan - Dire Wolf Heavy Scout Titan - Reaver Battle Titan
Warbringer Nemesis Titan - Warlord Battle Titan - Warmaster Heavy Battle Titan - Emperor Battle Titan