Editing Rogal Dorn (section)

==Post-Heresy==
[[File:Rogal Dorn Portrait.png|300px|thumb|right|Rogal Dorn's canonical, and sadly non-mustachio'd face from the Horus Heresy books. RRRAAAARRGGHH! HE SHAVED THAT MORNING, HERETIC! IT WAS BACK THAT AFTERNOON, AND DON’T LET ANY SISSY MORTAL “ARTIST” TELL YOU OTHERWISE!!! His face was fortified with a MAGNIFICENT MUSTACHE! A WARRIORS IMPENETRABLE BASTION OF STEEL CORDED FACIAL HAIR!]]
When [[Roboute Guilliman]] showed off the [[Codex Astartes]] and demanded that the Space Marine Legions break up into Chapters, Dorn led the opposition against it. He had not taken his inability to protect the Emperor well, and saw Bobby's announcement as a thinly veiled denouncement of his failure. He only submitted after the [[Ultramarines]] threatened to [[Minotaurs (Chapter)|open fire]] on his fleet, deciding that tradition ''really'' wasn't worth starting another civil war over and that he couldn't afford to let himself wallow in his own grief.

Right before the [[Second Founding]] and after accepting to split up his Legion, Dorn declared to everyone that he'd capture his nemesis, [[Perturabo]], and bring him back to Terra inside an iron cage. This would be the Imperial Fist's '''Legion''' swan song and their stepping stone into the future. Pert then trolled Dorn by setting up the "Eternal Fortress", which was fortification after fortification that led into a fortress that Perturabo was residing in. It took the Imperial Fists three weeks to wade through the shit Perturabo set up. When his Imperial Fists strike force reached the actual fortress, it was actually empty - a giant, centrally-open kill-zone with virtually no cover - and with the Iron Warriors waiting in ambush. Suffice to say, the Imperial Fists then got their asses handed to them, and wound up having to [[Grimdark|use their fallen brethren for cover]] up until the [[Ultramarines|Ultrasmurfs]] came in and rescued them. To their credit, they still managed to give the Iron Warriors so much trouble that wiping the Fists out completely would have required them to sacrifice most of their own legion, including Perturabo himself, but by the time they escaped the planet, the casualties that the Fists had taken were enormous.

Who actually claimed victory that day ([[FAIL|if anyone]]) has been the subject of much [[skub|discussion]]: To the Iron Warriors, the entire point of the Iron Cage trolling was to humiliate Dorn and his legion. Perturabo hated Dorn with a passion and wanted to see him broken and on his knees. The problem was that that Dorn was already there. He blamed himself for not having been at the Emperor's side when he fought Horus, and the pain and guilt of that fact was worse than anything Perty could have ever done to him. Dorn's actions after the Heresy were those of a man seeking atonement in death (conflict with Guilliman and taking of Pert's bait hook line and sinker)... except you don't find atonement by dying, but by setting whatever you fucked up right again the best you can. Perturabo got a consolation prize in the form of some Fist's gene-seed after the battle to bolster his Legion with and ascension to daemonhood but was denied his real desire of seeing Dorn broken. Dorn ironically emerged from the battle mentally stronger than he entered, at the cost of the lives of many of his sons right at the time where Chaos still needed some ass-kicking. Yeah, the whole Iron Cage thing [[derp|kinda was one big clusterfuck]] like that. Two rocks crashing into each other, remaining mostly undamaged but crushing [[Imperial Fists|everything]] between them. The only one that could rightfully claim any form of 'victory' that day was Guilliman, for he prevented the Imperial Fists from dying to the last man and got Dorn to actively collaborate with him after that.

[[File:007 Dorn.jpg|thumb|left]]The surviving Fists then re-organized into Chapters, with the most zealous of their number going on their own under First Captain [[Sigismund]] as the [[Black Templars]] and the others (mostly) following Blue Boy's guidelines. As a farewell gift, Sigismund was given a Tier VIII ocean war cruiser, Cross of Dorn. Dorn himself kept on leading the Imperial Fists for the next couple of centuries.

Soon after this, Rogal got in a big-ass ship and got killed by Chaos Space Marines in one of the early Black Crusades. During this battle, Rogal boarded one of the ships and was swarmed and killed by an unholy amount of traitor marines. So the story goes anyway.

Fun fact: Black Watch RPG rulebook have a quote of Rogal Dorn, dating M40. Is this a typo, or did golden boy just [[Alpharius|fake his death]] and now rule Custodes operations, like some rumors claim?

The whole 'died in a zerg rush of World Eaters' doesn't make much sense anyway. If it was supposed to be Angron who killed Dorn, maybe that'd make sense. But just a pack of Marines? That's... Less likely, if only because it's unlikely that there actually were enough World Eaters left to pose any real threat to a Primarch. Before Istvaan there was something like 150,000 World Eaters, but they took big casualties, first on Istvaan III in their unsupported attacks on the loyalists, and losses again on Istvaan V, then AGAIN on Nuceria and one last time outside Big E's pimp crib, where Sanguinius was regrettably forced to choke a bitch en masse for a few days. Point is, if Dorn died (as he lived) beating the shit out of people less manly than him, then it was because he wanted to die. Or maybe [[Kharn]] was somewhere in that zerg rush, in which case anything could happen, [[Meme|because he is a pretty swell guy]].

Is it really all that implausible though? After all, Russ' "lesson" to Angron relied on the premise that a bunch of bog-standard Astartes could take a Primarch down. Corvus was apparently nearly done in by the Night Lords on Isstvan V, and an Alpha Legion kill team came close to assassinating Guilliman in his own study on Macragge. Dorn's attackers would've been full Khornate Berserkers, possibly aided by Daemons. As for circumstances, Dorn had already led a bunch of hit-and-run attacks, so he was probably somewhat worn down already, and he was fighting in cramped spaces where his sheer size would have caused him problems. An Astartes can be killed by a lucky human with a pointy stick, so Dorn's death is sadly quite plausible. Tactically though, a cramped space also means only few enemies can attack you at any given moment, and World Eaters are not exactly known for using ranged weapons, so who knows...

But just to add fuel to the fire, in The Hunt For Vulkan in [[The Beast|The Beast Arises]], just before Vulkan [[what|jumps out a high flying Thunderhawk and beats gravity weapons and void shields with nothing but his manliness]] (and a hammer), he says this to [[Slaughter Koorland]]: "You fight well, Son of Dorn. You honour his name. I will tell him this." It's worth noting that throughout that book Vulkan is a little...off. But, assuming Vulkan isn't just confused, that could mean that Dorn is still alive and kicking, and that he has made contact with his fellow Primarchs, then we know that the Primarchs know where each other are. Of course it could also have been Vulkan's way of saying he expected to die on that mission and would speak to his dead brothers in the afterlife. Does this mean that because a [[Roboute Guilliman|certain spiritual liege]] has returned that all Primarchs will come back and kick ass?

Also, we have another "never found the corpse" case, which is the literal textbook example of a writer hinting that a character is just fine and is gunna come back into the story later. [[If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device|What really happened was his Magic Pain Glove told him to hide in the Imperial Palace, disguised as a Centurion until the time was right, or someone mentions the Space Wolves around Magnus.]]

(There is written evidence in the Horus Heresy Primarchs novel 'Konrad Curze' that Dorn is dead, and was ripped to pieces. Pg 34, however this is not to be trusted since the skeleton recovered from the incident has been revealed to be fake...meaning that it was likely a member of the Alpha Legion in disguise.)

And finally of any of the loyalist primarchs to be missing in action and not confirmed Dead: Dorn is the one for who coming back as an Uberdreadnought would be fitting for the character, which would explain the missing hand. He took massive grievous injury, but Dreadnoughts are just the sort thing needed to let a marine fight on even in the face of that, much less a Primarch.