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Because it makes ''total sense'' why [[FAIL|they'd venerate the Ultramarines and not ''their own Chaptermasters and Primarchs'']]. | Because it makes ''total sense'' why [[FAIL|they'd venerate the Ultramarines and not ''their own Chaptermasters and Primarchs'']]. | ||
Since then, "spiritual liege" has been used as an insulting way to refer to [[Roboute Guilliman]], [[Marneus Calgar]], or [[Matt Ward]]. It is also used ironically, to make the point that one's spiritual liege is '''not''' one of those three. It might also have to do something with the fact that directly speaking the name of [[Matt Ward]] within 4chan as a whole is forbidden (If you should ever type " | Since then, "spiritual liege" has been used as an insulting way to refer to [[Roboute Guilliman]], [[Marneus Calgar]], or [[Matt Ward]]. It is also used ironically, to make the point that one's spiritual liege is '''not''' one of those three. It might also have to do something with the fact that directly speaking the name of [[Matt Ward]] within 4chan as a whole is forbidden (If you should ever type "Matt Ward" or "Matthew Ward" in the text box, it'll count your entire post as spam). Thus, /tg/ normally refers to him as their "Spiritual Liege" as a way to talk about Matt Ward. | ||
In the Horus Hersey novels | In the Horus Hersey novels it's heavily implied that the remnants of the two lost legions were absorbed into the Ultramarines. After being loyalty-checked into nigh oblivion by the [[Space Wolves|Emperor's Executioners]]. Therefore a large number of so-called successor chapters aren't really Ultramarine but venerate Guilliman over their original primarch. On the other hand, when your alternative is facing down the Space Wolves, you'd pledge anyone, even Abbadon, as your liege. | ||
Amusingly enough Abbadon is in fact the chaos Spiritual Liege, as many renegade chaos marines do renounce their primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abbadon is in fact somehow a clone of Horus (even if weak weak weak in comparison). | |||
==Why this isn't QUITE as dumb as you think== | ==Why this isn't QUITE as dumb as you think== | ||
Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-space marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a space marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman the chapter | Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed ''by non-space marines'' as the prime example of what it means to be a space marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the chapter would not exist... | ||
Ward's work is poorly worded but there's some truth in it. There is a | Ward's work is poorly worded but there's some truth in it. There is rather a large number of Chapters that don't know who their Primarch is, either due to Imperium's <strike>poor</strike> fabulous record-keeping or [[Inquisition|it was covered up]], often due to the gene-seed used comes form a traitor legion. The lineage of some Chapters could be guessed based upon key traits, but many others are just too "generic". The Soul Drinkers thought they were Imperial Fist successors, and the Blood Ravens are probably also Sons of Guilliman assuming the "loyalist Thousand Sons" theory doesn't pan out. Since it's a common fact that Ultramarines are the prime and favored source of gene-seed due to low mutation it is a safe bet to assume the chapter is one of their Successors; Dark Angels successors are irrevocably inducted into "the Unforgiven" without exception, Blood Angels successors all have Red Thirst, and neither the Salamanders nor the Space Wolves have any real habit of forming successor chapters, so it kinda narrows down the list of who your Primarch could be. | ||
And if none of that calms you down, just pretend that Ward's codex is just propaganda collected from Macragge that the 'smurfs stick up to make their citizens feel better. | And if none of that calms you down, just pretend that Ward's codex is just propaganda collected from Macragge that the 'smurfs stick up to make their citizens feel better. |
Revision as of 21:01, 22 September 2013

A "liege" is a sovereign to whom one owes fealty. Therefore, a "spiritual liege" would be a person to whom one is ideologically loyal, like a thinker whose philosophy one followed.
This phrase has come to be widely used among fans of Warhammer 40,000 after Matt Ward gave an interview explaining why Codex: Space Marines had so many Ultramarines characters in them: "[t]he Ultramarines are undoubtedly the best Space Marines ever. Yes, really! Thanks to the heritage of Guilliman and their myriad heroic deeds, the Ultramarines are the exemplars of the Space Marines. With a few fringe exceptions... all Space Marine chapters want to be like the Ultramarines and recognize Marneus Calgar as their Spiritual Liege." (The real reason was it was going to be Codex: Ultramarines until at last second GW change there minds)
Apparently the heresy of acknowledging someone other than The Emperor as their liege, be it physically or spiritually, is lost on the Wardian Space Marines.
Because it makes total sense why they'd venerate the Ultramarines and not their own Chaptermasters and Primarchs.
Since then, "spiritual liege" has been used as an insulting way to refer to Roboute Guilliman, Marneus Calgar, or Matt Ward. It is also used ironically, to make the point that one's spiritual liege is not one of those three. It might also have to do something with the fact that directly speaking the name of Matt Ward within 4chan as a whole is forbidden (If you should ever type "Matt Ward" or "Matthew Ward" in the text box, it'll count your entire post as spam). Thus, /tg/ normally refers to him as their "Spiritual Liege" as a way to talk about Matt Ward.
In the Horus Hersey novels it's heavily implied that the remnants of the two lost legions were absorbed into the Ultramarines. After being loyalty-checked into nigh oblivion by the Emperor's Executioners. Therefore a large number of so-called successor chapters aren't really Ultramarine but venerate Guilliman over their original primarch. On the other hand, when your alternative is facing down the Space Wolves, you'd pledge anyone, even Abbadon, as your liege.
Amusingly enough Abbadon is in fact the chaos Spiritual Liege, as many renegade chaos marines do renounce their primarchs and venerate him when they join. Actually absolutely appropriate if Abbadon is in fact somehow a clone of Horus (even if weak weak weak in comparison).
Why this isn't QUITE as dumb as you think
Other than the fact that technically Ultramarines were always viewed by non-space marines as the prime example of what it means to be a space marine and if it wasn't for Guilliman, the chapter would not exist...
Ward's work is poorly worded but there's some truth in it. There is rather a large number of Chapters that don't know who their Primarch is, either due to Imperium's poor fabulous record-keeping or it was covered up, often due to the gene-seed used comes form a traitor legion. The lineage of some Chapters could be guessed based upon key traits, but many others are just too "generic". The Soul Drinkers thought they were Imperial Fist successors, and the Blood Ravens are probably also Sons of Guilliman assuming the "loyalist Thousand Sons" theory doesn't pan out. Since it's a common fact that Ultramarines are the prime and favored source of gene-seed due to low mutation it is a safe bet to assume the chapter is one of their Successors; Dark Angels successors are irrevocably inducted into "the Unforgiven" without exception, Blood Angels successors all have Red Thirst, and neither the Salamanders nor the Space Wolves have any real habit of forming successor chapters, so it kinda narrows down the list of who your Primarch could be.
And if none of that calms you down, just pretend that Ward's codex is just propaganda collected from Macragge that the 'smurfs stick up to make their citizens feel better.