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Long story short, the Army of the Dead is destroyed in an epic battle, where the ancient and super-powerful BBEG gets killed by some slight-of-hand.  Meanwhile Daenerys has spent the last two seasons being stripped of her plot armor; she's lost most of her supporters - including one of her dragons - and has been forced to confront the fact that nobody in Westeros wants her around. Especially not the Northerners, where Sansa is basically playing the "Northern Independence Now!" movement to try and get her own bum in a throne after seven seasons of being a plaything for people with actual power. The kicker is she's fallen in love with Jon Snow, but he learns he's actually her uncle - and the fruit of a legitimate marriage between her elder brother Rhaegar Targaryean and Lyanna Stark that was handled in secret. This discovery not only caused him to back away from her (because he's got Northerner values, so fucking his niece squicks him out), but also makes him a threat to her political standing, which is something Varys makes plans to exploit... for which she burns him to ash. When she forces the survivors of the final battle to march on King's Landing, another of her dragons ends up dead and her only remaining friend captured and executed by Cersei. So she attacks King's Landing... and then, when her followers manuever around her to get the city to surrender rather than die to the last, she snaps and burns most of the city to ashes. She then decides to continue ramming her head against the proverbial wall and embraces her personal narrative of herself as a divinely chosen hero-queen meant to "free" the world by conquering everybody, having lost interesting in just ruling Westeros around the same time she lost her fucking mind. Such is her insanity that Jon Snow ends up sticking a dagger in her heart rather than let her kill Sansa and Arya, who he knows will resist her, and doesn't killed  by her last surviving dragon who pretty much knows Jon killed his momma because plot reasons. This leaves everybody stuck trying to figure out what to do, but ultimately they decide to replace a dynastic monarchy with an elective one, and make Bran the new king because, hey, he's the 3-Eyed Raven and has the seer powers to see all of space and time, so he's the least worst option they have (he's also trying to find and take control of the aforementioned dragon). The North secedes from the Seven Kingdoms, but nobody gives a damn, and Jon Snow is formally banished to the Wall - where instead he wanders off into the wilderness with the surviving Wildlings, with the land showing signs of exiting its endless winter.  Arya runs off to sail to the West, and Sansa is crowned Queen in the North.
Long story short, the Army of the Dead is destroyed in an epic battle, where the ancient and super-powerful BBEG gets killed by some slight-of-hand.  Meanwhile Daenerys has spent the last two seasons being stripped of her plot armor; she's lost most of her supporters - including one of her dragons - and has been forced to confront the fact that nobody in Westeros wants her around. Especially not the Northerners, where Sansa is basically playing the "Northern Independence Now!" movement to try and get her own bum in a throne after seven seasons of being a plaything for people with actual power. The kicker is she's fallen in love with Jon Snow, but he learns he's actually her uncle - and the fruit of a legitimate marriage between her elder brother Rhaegar Targaryean and Lyanna Stark that was handled in secret. This discovery not only caused him to back away from her (because he's got Northerner values, so fucking his niece squicks him out), but also makes him a threat to her political standing, which is something Varys makes plans to exploit... for which she burns him to ash. When she forces the survivors of the final battle to march on King's Landing, another of her dragons ends up dead and her only remaining friend captured and executed by Cersei. So she attacks King's Landing... and then, when her followers manuever around her to get the city to surrender rather than die to the last, she snaps and burns most of the city to ashes. She then decides to continue ramming her head against the proverbial wall and embraces her personal narrative of herself as a divinely chosen hero-queen meant to "free" the world by conquering everybody, having lost interesting in just ruling Westeros around the same time she lost her fucking mind. Such is her insanity that Jon Snow ends up sticking a dagger in her heart rather than let her kill Sansa and Arya, who he knows will resist her, and doesn't killed  by her last surviving dragon who pretty much knows Jon killed his momma because plot reasons. This leaves everybody stuck trying to figure out what to do, [[The Empire (Warhammer Fantasy)|but ultimately they decide to replace a dynastic monarchy with an elective one]], and make Bran the new king because, hey, he's the 3-Eyed Raven and has the seer powers to see all of space and time, so he's the least worst option they have (he's also trying to find and take control of the aforementioned dragon). The North secedes from the Seven Kingdoms, but nobody gives a damn, and Jon Snow is formally banished to the Wall - where instead he wanders off into the wilderness with the surviving Wildlings, with the land showing signs of exiting its endless winter.  Arya runs off to sail to the West, and Sansa is crowned Queen in the North.


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WIENER PARTY! WIENER PARTY!
This article contains spoilers! You have been warned.

Warning: This article contains so many spoilers we're ruining books that haven't even been released yet.

"If you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."

– Ramsay Bolton, nailing the grimdark theme of this series

A Song of Ice and Fire (abbreviated as ASoIF) is a fantasy book series for people who hate fantasy. Its central themes include incest, douchebaggery, scheming and inefficiency. Thus it has become one of the most popular series of our generation and its author, George R. R. Martin, has been praised for his highly realized world and gritty low fantasy style. He was even called "the American Tolkien" by Time magazine gormless idiots who lump diametrically different writers together for no other reason than that they're both fantasy authors, which would probably explains its sudden spike in popularity following the TV show (at least to a point, anyway.)

The series itself is set on the totally not medieval European ripoff realm of Westeros as it is wracked by a massive succession war drawing its realms into conflict. A bunch of dudes declare themselves kings (book two), they're burning the continent down in their scramble for power, and somehow all the fuck-ups managed to lose anyway (book three). Just when the guys who lost the least start thinking they get to rule over the remaining chaos, more fuck ups happen and more dudes show up (book four). Sadly, winter has finally come and, unbeknownst to most people, evil ice wizards leading soulless undead assumed to be only myths by most people are about to invade the continent from the north. By the fifth book, things are going and/or will go to shit even for the bad guys.

According to a leaked fan conversation, George R. R. Martin jokingly stated the series would end with an epic cock-slap fight between Samwell Tarly and Jaime Lannister.

TL;DR: War of Roses redux, with a side helpin' of cliched fantasy George's old sci-fi writing plots and /d/-lite.

Characters

This page is in need of cleanup. Srsly. It's a fucking mess.

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Since these books have some thousand named characters, you won't remember most of them without an obsessive disorder over details. Here's a relatively short list (mostly based on the TV series rather than the books, but seems to randomly switch between the two) for the characters you'll care about.

House Stark

"Winter Is Coming"

House Targaryen

"Fire and Blood"

House Lannister

"Hear Me Roar"

House Baratheon

"Ours is the Fury"

House Tully

"Family, Duty, Honor"

House Arryn

"As High as Honor"

House Greyjoy

"We Do Not Sow"

House Tyrell

"Growing Strong"

House Bolton

"Our Blades Are Sharp"

House Martell

"Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken"

Night's Watch

Wildlings

House Frey

"We Stand Together"

Commoners, Knights, and Petty Lords

The Free Cities

The Dothraki

Slavers Bay

The Others

Gods and their followers

The appeal of A Song of Ice And Fire

Exactly what catches the eyes of a given fan/critic/lout who complains about how bad it is anytime the show is mentioned within earshot to ASOIAF and its TV adaptation varies from individual to individual. Still, there's a couple of major draws.

The Worldbuilding: The main reason why this series gets compared to The Lord of the Rings, ASOIAF is literally drowning under the weight of its worldbuilding, being crammed as full of facts about fictitious regions, histories, cultures, dynasties and races as GRRM can fit it. Your mileage will vary on how good that info is, but there's plenty of info in it.

Mainstream Dark Fantasy: Dark Fantasy is not exactly a mainstream niche. ASOIAF stands out by deliberately trying to market itself to the mainstream, despite embracing an abundance of dark fantasy tropes; gratuitous violence, sexuality and sexual violence, moral ambiguity, political intrigue, and a willingness to suddenly kill off any character, even the most likable or heroic of them.

Low Fantasy: On the surface, ASOIAF is an old-school Low Fantasy setting, being a medieval-tech world with the story openly focused on the mundane lives of people struggling for political power.

High Fantasy: But if you scratch the surface, ASOIAF is also a High Fantasy setting, which is always the more marketable of the two, with the big backstory about how the world is facing impending doom from an army of wintery fey and their undead minions. Also, dragons. As the more marketable genre, it's also inevitably the more skubby one, for whatever that's worth.

Gratuitous Sexuality: More a thing for the TV show than the book; the frequent scenes of nudity and sex in the early seasons were a big selling point for many people.

Oh Yeah, About The TV Show

Yeah, pretty much.

After the first three books became hits, many Hollywood producers and directors had came to the sadistic neckbeard, asking him about making a movie adaptation. At first, he was reluctant, at best, due to the fact that a whole lot of his content would've been cut out to be fit into a movie trilogy (see the Lord of the Rings live action films). Then, a couple of dudes, David Benioff and D.B Weiss, decided to contact him, and asked him at a local restaurant about turning ASOIAF into a Television show produced by HBO, the top-rated soft-core porno channel. The story goes that George, before giving them his consent, ask them a very specific question (Who is Jon Snow's mother?). Satisfied with the response they gave, he gave them permission to start work on the show, which would be titled after the first book, Game of Thrones.

The television show casts several well known performers, such as Sean Bean as Eddard, Peter Dinklage as Tyrion, Lena Headey as Cersei, and Charles Dance as Tywin. They have also cast some comparatively less well-known actors and even ones new to cinema, such as Sophie Turner (Sansa), Maisie Williams (Arya), Kit Harington (Jon), Iwan Rheon (Ramsay), Alfie Allen (Theon), and Richard Madden (Robb).

TL;DR

Producers D&D-style change characters and railroad the plot at a whim, the tits and ultraviolence spigot is opened even wider than the books, and most scenes are made for the actors to show off their skills at making their signature angry/murder/brooding/etc. faces.

Thus, book snobs seem to think that every episode post-season 3 is nothing more than Emmy-bait. Regardless of the fact Kit Harington still doesn't have an Emmy, there's a valid contention in that regard, with the amount of liberties taken overshadowing the initial appeal.

The final season itself was a glorious breakage in the skub dam that left many a fan's anus weeping (provided they weren't early seasons fans, book series fans, or any of the other assorted onlookers taking part in the mightiest of keks) and, if anything, proved George's Ramsay's quote at the beginning of the article true.

What about the final season?

GRRM and Your Dudes

Want to make your own ASoIF setting for a role playing game? Well, readers have enough room to fantasize about their own minor noble House (or kingdom during the Age of the Hundred Kingdoms).

A good example of what you could do is the House from the old "Telltale Game of Thrones", House Forrester. Their relationship to the canon is as follows:

House Forrester (lords of some place in the Wolfswood) -> is sworn to -> House Glover (overall lords of the entire Wolfswood) -> is sworn to -> House Stark (rulers of the North).

There's also an actual tie-in tabletop RPG now, which uses its own system and looks kind of like Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay with a heavy helping of resource-management strategy feel. Players are assuming the role of a minor House to guide to glory, or, more accurately given the setting we're in, NOT to ruin utterly in a season or two, which would still be more than many A-list players mustered in canon. Each PC has a specific position within said House, and only the role of official Head is mandatory; the rest could be wife/children/brothers and sisters/all other kinds of siblings, bastards (with rules for obtaining the legitimate recognition), maesters, sworn/subservient knights, or most of anybody else. This naturally opens up near-infinite possibilities for families screwed up seven ways to high heavens, which would make Lannister's brand of infighting-slash-inbreeding look as sane as the High Septon.

The setting is also ill-suited for "adventures in Westeros" style of gaming for two reasons:

  1. In the grim darkness of low fantasy, a roaming nobody with no banner to talk about, no House allegiance, no nothing isn't generally treated to a Tavern With Quest Givers, but rather more to a Tavern Where You Are Shanked For Your Sword And Boots And Dumped At The Nearest Forest. Heck, even the big wheelers and dealers are routinely seen invited to the latter when they are slow to properly introduce themselves.
  2. Working on your initially-puny House will quite realistically involve thy neighbors first and foremost, then liege lords from the higher House yours is sworn to, and on occasion shopping around for an advantageous marriage - there simply ain't gonna be that much spare time to "travel to see places". Both of these are also why tourism wasn't a very popular pastime in medieval Europe and why those who were "living on the road" usually enjoyed the lowest social standing.

A note to aspiring Lords: do NOT, under any circumstances, allow your "combat-optimized" siblings an unsupervised minute in a social setting. Game's "social combat" system is a thing more brutal than the physical one, and it takes a socially-optimized character all of a few minutes to mindfuck one who is not (read: everyone but dedicated diplomats and Heads of the Houses, and not every one of the latter, to boot, as illustrated by several amazing boneheads in canon) into believing pretty much anything short of leprechauns. Stupid NPCs or a stupid GM will make said mindfuck obvious, allowing you to "mindfuck 'em back" without abuse of OOC info; cunning ones will not.

On a side-note; GRRM is said to take a dim view of fanfiction, saying it kills creative ability. This is kind of a double-edged statement, since a lot of George's characters here are either rehashes of his characters from previous works, references to other fictional characters (like Littlefinger and Samwell being based on Jay Gatsby and Samwise Gamgee), walking tropes (such as Ned Stark and Robb Stark being the "Honor Before Reason" characters) or references to historical people (such as Tyrion Lannister being Richard III and House Tyrell being totally-not-House-Tudor - to the point that Margaery Tyrell is played by "The Tudors" actress Natalie Dormer). Yet given the "creative" output of the average neckbeard, he does have a point. Ironically, however, he sold the rights to make a TV series of the books to HBO, who then went on to make a glorified fanfic.

Games

Like any fantasy author who finds themselves unexpectedly in the warm embrace of commercial success Martin quickly licensed the shit out of his setting, spawning everything from resin miniatures to replica great swords. While most of this is worthless junk to foist on obsessive fanboys /tg/ has agreed that a few of the games are made of win. The first two are a collectable card game put out in 2002 by Fantasy Flight Games and a risk-esque board game that followed shortly after in 2003. One of White Wolf's subsidiaries also put out a d20 RPG in 2005 but it quickly tanked because, come on, White Wolf. Martin since wrested the rights back and developed a new version with Green Ronin games.

Books

  • A Game of Thrones
  • A Clash of Kings
  • A Storm of Swords: Split into 2
  • A Feast for Crows: half the characters
  • A Dance with Dragons: split into 2 the first is about the other half of the characters
  • The Winds of Winter: Most recent rumors say George could have it ready in late 2018. But will he really?
    • Nope.
    • Official now set to release sometime 2019, but we've all heard that before.
  • A Dream of Spring : Unreleased and unlikely to ever be.
  • The Dunk and Egg Series: A story about a landless hedge knight traveling across Westeros with a Targaryen squire, so he can teach him how not to be an asshole to peasants.

See Also

/tg/ Song of Ice and Fire Houses