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The [[Tier System]] is a ranking of the player character classes for OGL d20 system (D&D 3rd, 3.5 and Pathfinder), devised by the [[Munchkin|mix/maxing nerds]] at [http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?board=9.0 Gamesologists Forums], that compares the relative power and versatility of the different character classes. | The [[Tier System]] is a ranking of the player character classes for OGL d20 system (D&D 3rd, 3.5 and Pathfinder), devised by the [[Munchkin|mix/maxing nerds]] at [http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?board=9.0 Gamesologists Forums], that compares the relative power and versatility of the different character classes. After burning out the bump limit in the forums a few times over, it became clear that some classes are just useless, and some are [[CoDzilla|wickedly broken]]. The Tiers aren't about what classes you should '''always''' pick, but rather making sure the player characters in the party are balanced so that nobody feels like a fifth wheel. With a party of a Druid, Wizard, Bard and Monk, you can tell that the Monk player is gonna have much less fun because [[No Girls on the Internet|she'll]] be overshadowed by the others. | ||
Some classes can move up and down, either with variants (already mentioned above, with some serious [[Powergamer|min/maxing]] and [[munchkin]]ism or, for Pathfinder, a class option. | Some classes can move up and down, either with variants (already mentioned above, with some serious [[Powergamer|min/maxing]] and [[munchkin]]ism) or, for Pathfinder, a class option. The original thread says that the "Truenamer" class is pretty broken (as in, not working as intended,) and usually ends up at Tier 6 or worse - unless it's min/maxed out the wazoo to be able to spam its abilities, in which case it rises to Tier 4. Even then, being in the same tier doesn't make two classes equal, just in the same range - the [[hexblade]]'s clearly shittier than the [[ranger]] or [[barbarian]], but it still ekes out a spot in Tier 4, and the [[samurai]]'s better than its NPC class bros just by virtue of having class features, even if they suck. The tier list also assumes that all the players are about the same level of skill and at least sort of know what they're doing; a druid who prepares nothing but heal spells and charges into combat with a scimitar while never wildshaping is a lot worse than a samurai who's minmaxed Intimidate enough to make every enemy within 30 feet shit themselves as a swift action. Tier 3 classes are generally considered the ideal balance point, being versatile and powerful but not so much so they can't be challenged. | ||
Since WotC very rarely supported non-core classes beyond their initial book and core classes had fundamental flaws or their most broken abilities were core, what books are usable doesn't really matter much for 3.x tiers. Bard is the main exception, as core only bards are pretty lame but they have a huge amount of unique splat support. Pathfinder is different here because it actually supported its non-core classes and many classes used talents selected from a list every few levels which are well suited for expansion in splat. This still rarely matters, but it means certain retardedly broken options pop up from time to time. This generally works out to "take this and you're tier 2" and more archetypes that fundamentally change the class being in a different tier (though 3.5 had some). | Since WotC very rarely supported non-core classes beyond their initial book, and core classes had fundamental flaws or their most broken abilities were core, what books are usable doesn't really matter much for 3.x tiers. Bard is the main exception, as core only bards are pretty lame but they have a huge amount of unique splat support. Pathfinder is different here because it actually supported its non-core classes, and many classes used talents selected from a list every few levels which are well suited for expansion in splat. This still rarely matters, but it means certain retardedly broken options pop up from time to time. This generally works out to "take this and you're tier 2" and more archetypes that fundamentally change the class being in a different tier (though 3.5 had some as well, such as the Wildshape Ranger), but Vigilante is dependent upon talents released after ''Ultimate Intrigue'' to hit tier 3 without taking a casting based archetype and Medium is terrible without the support it got past ''Occult Adventures''. | ||
The following is copypasta, mostly because the forum threads for this keep burning out over at Gamesologists, but partially so that fa/tg/uys can still look down their noses at the math nerds at Brilliant-Gamesologists-dot-Com. | The following is copypasta, mostly because the forum threads for this keep burning out over at Gamesologists, but partially so that fa/tg/uys can still look down their noses at the math nerds at Brilliant-Gamesologists-dot-Com. The "Pathfinder examples" and "Third Party examples" sections were not in the original post and have been added for convenience. | ||
Note that the tier lists measure general ability to get shit done, rather than pure, balls-out combat power. | Note that the tier lists measure general ability to get shit done, rather than pure, balls-out combat power. Some martial classes are unstoppable terrors in combat, but once the fight stops, they might as well go crack open a soda, while wizards and skillmonkeys generally continue to contribute all the time. In fact, that's half of tier 4; classes that are super good at one or two things, but suck ass at doing anything else. The list also takes a look at more of the mid-to-late-game potential of classes: an unoptimised druid isn't that much better than an unoptimised barbarian at level 1 (and is arguably worse; barbarians get a lot out of the gate, particularly if using a two-handed weapon), but as they both level up the gap between them widens exponentially. NPC's power and influence also corresponds with higher tier, assuming they act cleverly and use all options at their disposal: Tier 1 [[BBEG]] is a lot more scary and devious than Tier 4 [[BBEG]] of same level. | ||
* [http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=5293 Tier System for Classes discussion at Brilliant Gameologists] | * [https://web.archive.org/web/20170318105838/http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=5293 Tier System for Classes discussion at Brilliant Gameologists] | ||
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20160307203725/http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=5293 Archive version of Brilliant Gameologists thread] | * [https://web.archive.org/web/20160307203725/http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=5293 Archive version of Brilliant Gameologists thread] | ||
* [http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=658.0 Version on BG's replacement.] | * [http://minmaxforum.com/index.php?topic=658.0 Version on BG's replacement.] | ||
* [https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/tips-tactics/7108-5e-class-tier-list-a-bit-more-in-depth | * [https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/tips-tactics/7108-5e-class-tier-list-a-bit-more-in-depth A discussion about tiers for 5E classes] | ||
* [[3.5_Tier_Fixing|/tg/ turns socialist]] and tries to fix the class tier system. | * [[3.5_Tier_Fixing|/tg/ turns socialist]] and tries to fix the class tier system. | ||
* [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?600635-Why-each-class-is-in-its-tier-2019-update! Giant in the Playground community update of the tier list] | |||
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:Note: Entries in ''italics'' are classes the original author was not versed in but had heard a lot about; take their tier placement with a grain of salt. | |||
== Tier System == | |||
== Tier 1 == | === Tier 1 === | ||
Capable of doing absolutely everything, often better than classes that specialize in that thing. Often capable of solving encounters with a single mechanical ability and little thought from the player. Has world changing powers at high levels. | Capable of doing absolutely everything, often better than classes that specialize in that thing. Often capable of solving encounters with a single mechanical ability and little thought from the player. Has world-changing powers at high levels. If played with skill, these guys can easily break a campaign and be very hard to challenge without extreme DM fiat or plenty of house rules, especially if Tier 3s and below are in the party. Capable of winning in situations severe enough to result in [[TPK]] of Tier-3 and lower party; conversely, situation difficult enough to seriously threaten a party of Tier 1's, would result in [[TPK]] of party full of Tier-3's. Can handle enemies of higher than normal CR (especially since rewards are also higher than normal). | ||
:'''Examples:''' {{tt|Artificer|Eberron Campaign Setting, p. 29}}, {{tt|archivist|Heroes of Horror, p. 82}}, cleric, druid, ''{{tt|erudite|Complete Psionic, p. 153}} ([http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070629a Spell to Power variant]),'' wizard | :'''Examples:''' {{tt|Artificer|Eberron Campaign Setting, p. 29}}, {{tt|archivist|Heroes of Horror, p. 82}}, cleric, druid, ''{{tt|erudite|Complete Psionic, p. 153}} ([https://web.archive.org/web/20151102164617/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070629a Spell to Power variant]),'' wizard, {{tt|powergamed Dragonwrought Kobold Sorcerer|Races Of The Dragon, plus "for dragons only" things from Draconomicon/Dragon Compendium/Dragon Magic}} | ||
:'''Pathfinder Examples:''' [[Arcanist]]. | :'''Pathfinder Examples:''' [[Arcanist]]. | ||
== Tier 2 == | === Tier 2 === | ||
Has as much raw power as the Tier 1 classes, but can't pull off nearly as many tricks, and while the class itself is capable of anything, no one build can actually do nearly as much as the Tier 1 classes. Still potentially campaign smashers by using the right abilities, but at the same time are more predictable and can't always have the right tool for the job. If the Tier 1 classes are countries with 10,000 nuclear weapons in their arsenal, these guys are countries with 10 nukes. Still dangerous and easily world shattering, but not in quite so many ways. | Has as much raw power as the Tier 1 classes, but can't pull off nearly as many tricks, and while the class itself is capable of anything, no one build can actually do nearly as much as the Tier 1 classes. Still potentially campaign smashers by using the right abilities, but at the same time are more predictable and can't always have the right tool for the job. If the Tier 1 classes are countries with 10,000 nuclear weapons in their arsenal, these guys are countries with 10 nukes. Still dangerous and easily world shattering, but not in quite so many ways. Note that the Tier 2 classes are often less flexible than Tier 3 classes... it's just that their incredible potential power overwhelms their lack in flexibility. | ||
:'''Examples:''' {{tt|Binder|Tome of Magic, p. 9}} ([http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd | :'''Examples:''' {{tt|Binder|Tome of Magic, p. 9}} ([https://web.archive.org/web/20211001135258/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd%2Ffrcc%2F20070718 Zceryll, "The Star Spawn" vestige]), ''{{tt|erudite|Complete Psionic, p. 153}},'' {{tt|favored soul|Complete Divine, p. 6}}, ''{{tt|psion|Expanded Psionics Handbook, p. 19}},'' sorcerer | ||
:'''Pathfinder Examples:''' [[Oracle]], [[Summoner]], [[Witch]]. | :'''Pathfinder Examples:''' [[Oracle]], [[Summoner]], [[Shaman]], [[Witch]]. | ||
==Tier 3== | ===Tier 3=== | ||
Capable of doing one thing quite well, while still being useful when that one thing is inappropriate, or capable of doing all things, but not as well as classes | Capable of doing one thing quite well, while still being useful when that one thing is inappropriate, or capable of doing all things, but not as well as classes specializing in that area. Occasionally has a mechanical ability to solve an encounter, but this is relatively rare and easy to deal with. They can be game-breaking only with specific intent to do so. Challenging such a character takes some thought from the DM, but isn't too difficult. Will outshine any Tier 5s in the party much of the time. | ||
:'''Examples:''' Bard, {{tt|beguiler|Player's Handbook II, p. 6}}, {{tt|binder|Tome of Magic, p. 9}}, {{tt|crusader|Tome of Battle, p. 8}}, {{tt|dread necromancer|Heroes of Horror, p. 84}}, {{tt|duskblade|Player's Handbook II, p. 19}}<sup>{{tt|−|Could easily be considered tier 4}}</sup>, {{tt|factotum|Dungeonscape, p. 17}}, ''{{tt|psychic warrior|Expanded Psionics Handbook, p. 24}},'' ranger ({{tt|wild shape variant|Unearthed Arcana, p. 58}}), {{tt|swordsage|Tome of Battle, p. 15}}, {{tt|warblade|Tome of Battle, p. 20}} | :'''Examples:''' Bard, {{tt|beguiler|Player's Handbook II, p. 6}}, {{tt|binder|Tome of Magic, p. 9}}, {{tt|crusader|Tome of Battle, p. 8}}, {{tt|dread necromancer|Heroes of Horror, p. 84}}, {{tt|duskblade|Player's Handbook II, p. 19}}<sup>{{tt|−|Could easily be considered tier 4}}</sup>, {{tt|factotum|Dungeonscape, p. 17}}, ''{{tt|psychic warrior|Expanded Psionics Handbook, p. 24}},'' ranger ({{tt|wild shape variant|Unearthed Arcana, p. 58}}), {{tt|swordsage|Tome of Battle, p. 15}}, {{tt|warblade|Tome of Battle, p. 20}} | ||
:'''Pathfinder Examples:''' [[Alchemist (Pathfinder)|Alchemist]]<sup>{{tt|++|Simulacrum discoveries can make them tier 1}}</sup>,[[Bloodrager]]<sup>{{tt|−|Could easily be considered tier 4}}</sup> [[Investigator]], [[Inquisitor (Pathfinder)|Inquisitor]], [[Magus]], [[Skald]], [[Spiritualist]], Unchained [[Summoner]], [[Warpriest]], [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)|Vigilante]] (Spellcasting archetype), | :'''Pathfinder Examples:''' [[Alchemist (Pathfinder)|Alchemist]]<sup>{{tt|++|Simulacrum discoveries can make them tier 1}}</sup>,[[Bloodrager]]<sup>{{tt|−|Could easily be considered tier 4}}</sup> [[Investigator]], [[Inquisitor (Pathfinder)|Inquisitor]], [[Magus]], [[Skald]], [[Spiritualist]], Unchained [[Summoner]], [[Warpriest]], [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)|Vigilante]] (Spellcasting archetype), Sacred Servant [[Paladin]] <sup>{{tt|+|Tier 2 with certain domains or Planar Ally picks}}</sup>, Eldritch Scoundrel Rogue, certain [[Monk]] archetype combinations. | ||
:''' | :'''Third Party Examples:''' All ''[[Book of Nine Swords|Path of War]]'' classes, Tactician <sup>{{tt|+|Picking the right powers with Expanded Knowledge can make them tier 2}}</sup>, [[Vitalist]]<sup>{{tt|+|Picking the right powers with Expanded Knowledge can make them tier 2}}</sup>, Aeigis, Soulknife (Augmented Blade or War Soul archetype), most ''Spheres of Power'' classes, [[Binder|Occultist]]. (In short, most Third Party class worth using were built to fall into this tier.) | ||
==Tier 4== | ===Tier 4=== | ||
Capable of doing one thing quite well, but often useless when encounters require other areas of expertise, or capable of doing many things to a reasonable degree of competence without truly shining. Rarely has any abilities that can outright handle an encounter unless that encounter plays directly to the class's main strength. DMs may sometimes need to work to make sure Tier 4s can contribute to an encounter, as their abilities may sometimes leave them useless. Won't outshine anyone except Tier 6s except in specific circumstances that play to their strengths. Cannot compete effectively with Tier 1s that are played well. | Capable of doing one thing quite well, but often useless when encounters require other areas of expertise, or capable of doing many things to a reasonable degree of competence without truly shining. Rarely has any abilities that can outright handle an encounter unless that encounter plays directly to the class's main strength. DMs may sometimes need to work to make sure Tier 4s can contribute to an encounter, as their abilities may sometimes leave them useless. Won't outshine anyone except Tier 6s except in specific circumstances that play to their strengths. Cannot compete effectively with Tier 1s that are played well. | ||
:'''Examples:''' Adept, barbarian, fighter ([http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060327a Zhentarim soldier substitution levels]), {{tt|hexblade|Complete Warrior, p. 5}}<sup>{{tt|−|Could easily be considered tier 5}}</sup>, {{tt|marshal|Miniatures Handbook, p. 11}}, ranger, rogue, {{tt|scout|Complete Adventurer, p. 10}}, {{tt|spellthief|Complete Adventurer, p. 13}}, {{tt|warlock|Complete Arcane, p. 5}}, {{tt|warmage|Complete Arcane, p. 10}} | :'''Examples:''' Adept, barbarian, fighter ([https://web.archive.org/web/20150401184859/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060327a Zhentarim soldier substitution levels] (pgs. 6-7), {{tt|hexblade|Complete Warrior, p. 5}}<sup>{{tt|−|Could easily be considered tier 5}}</sup>, {{tt|marshal|Miniatures Handbook, p. 11}}, ranger, rogue, {{tt|scout|Complete Adventurer, p. 10}}, {{tt|spellthief|Complete Adventurer, p. 13}}, {{tt|warlock|Complete Arcane, p. 5}}, {{tt|warmage|Complete Arcane, p. 10}} | ||
:'''Pathfinder Examples:''' , small sized [[Knight|Cavalier]], [[Paladin]], [[Kineticist]] <sup>{{tt|+/-|Aether can be tier 3, Wood/Void can be tier 5 as can any element hosed by the campaign's monster choice}}</sup>, [[Medium]] <sup>{{tt|+/-|Depending on the archetype & spirit}}</sup>, Unchained [[Monk]], certain Monk archetypes, [[Slayer#Pathfinder|Slayer]], [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)|Vigilante]] <sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 3}}</sup>. | :'''Pathfinder Examples:''' , small sized [[Knight|Cavalier]], [[Paladin]], [[Kineticist]] <sup>{{tt|+/-|Aether can be tier 3, Wood/Void can be tier 5 as can any element hosed by the campaign's monster choice}}</sup>, [[Medium]] <sup>{{tt|+/-|Depending on the archetype & spirit}}</sup>, Unchained [[Monk]], certain Monk archetypes, [[Shifter (Pathfinder)|Shifter]] <sup>{{tt|-|Could easily be considered tier 5}}</sup>, [[Slayer#Pathfinder|Slayer]], [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)|Vigilante]] <sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 3}}</sup>. | ||
:''' | :'''Third Party Examples:''' Soulknife (''Psionics Unleashed''). | ||
==Tier 5== | ===Tier 5=== | ||
Capable of doing only one thing, and not necessarily all that well, or so unfocused that they have trouble mastering anything, and in many types of encounters the character cannot contribute. In some cases, can do one thing very well, but that one thing is very often not needed. Has trouble shining in any encounter unless the encounter matches their strengths. DMs may have to work to avoid the player feeling that their character is worthless unless the entire party is Tier 4 and below. Characters in this tier will often feel like one trick ponies if they do well, or just feel like they have no tricks at all if they build the class poorly. | Capable of doing only one thing, and not necessarily all that well, or so unfocused that they have trouble mastering anything, and in many types of encounters the character cannot contribute. In some cases, can do one thing very well, but that one thing is very often not needed. Has trouble shining in any encounter unless the encounter matches their strengths. DMs may have to work to avoid the player feeling that their character is worthless unless the entire party is Tier 4 and below. Characters in this tier will often feel like one trick ponies if they do well, or just feel like they have no tricks at all if they build the class poorly. | ||
:'''Examples:''' Expert, fighter<sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 4}}</sup>, {{tt|healer|Miniatures Handbook, p. 8}}, ''{{tt|knight|Player's Handbook II, p. 24}},'' monk, {{tt|ninja|Complete Adventurer, p. 5}}, paladin<sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 4}}</sup>, {{tt|samurai<sup>CW</sup>|Complete Warrior, p. 8}} (with {{tt|Imperious Command|Drow of the Underdark, p. 50}} feat), {{tt|samurai<sup>OA</sup>|Oriental Adventures, p. 20}}, {{tt|soulknife|Expanded Psionics Handbook, p. 26}}, {{tt|swashbuckler|Complete Warrior, p. 11}} | :'''Examples:''' Expert, fighter<sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 4}}</sup>, {{tt|healer|Miniatures Handbook, p. 8}}, ''{{tt|knight|Player's Handbook II, p. 24}},'' monk, {{tt|ninja|Complete Adventurer, p. 5}}, paladin<sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 4}}</sup>, {{tt|samurai<sup>CW</sup>|Complete Warrior, p. 8}} (with {{tt|Imperious Command|Drow of the Underdark, p. 50}} feat), {{tt|samurai<sup>OA</sup>|Oriental Adventures, p. 20}}, {{tt|soulknife|Expanded Psionics Handbook, p. 26}}, {{tt|swashbuckler|Complete Warrior, p. 11}} | ||
:'''Pathfinder Examples:''' Medium sized Cavalier, Gunslinger <sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 4}}</sup>, Swashbuckler <sup>{{tt|−|Could easily be considered tier 6}}</sup>. | :'''Pathfinder Examples:''' Medium sized Cavalier, Gunslinger <sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 4 at higher levels}}</sup>, Swashbuckler <sup>{{tt|−|Could easily be considered tier 6}}</sup>. | ||
==Tier 6== | ===Tier 6=== | ||
Not even capable of shining in their own area of expertise. DMs will need to work hard to make encounters that this sort of character can contribute in with their mechanical abilities. Will often feel worthless unless the character is seriously powergamed beyond belief, and even then won't be terribly impressive. Needs to fight enemies of lower than normal CR. Class is often completely unsynergized or with almost no abilities of merit. Avoid allowing PCs to play these characters. | Not even capable of shining in their own area of expertise. DMs will need to work hard to make encounters that this sort of character can contribute in with their mechanical abilities. Will often feel worthless unless the character is seriously powergamed beyond belief, and even then won't be terribly impressive. Needs to fight enemies of lower than normal CR. Class is often completely unsynergized or with almost no abilities of merit. Avoid allowing PCs to play these characters. | ||
:'''Examples:''' Aristocrat, commoner, {{tt|samurai<sup>CW</sup>|Complete Warrior, p. 8}}<sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 5}}</sup>, warrior | :'''Examples:''' Aristocrat, commoner, {{tt|samurai<sup>CW</sup>|Complete Warrior, p. 8}}<sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 5}}</sup>, warrior | ||
==[[Truenamer]]== | ===[[Truenamer]]=== | ||
[[Fail|A class so terrible it gets its own tier]], the {{tt|Truenamer|Tome of Magic, p. 198}} "is [[Pyrovore|just broken]] (as in, the class was improperly made and doesn't function appropriately). | [[Fail|A class so terrible it gets its own tier]], the {{tt|Truenamer|Tome of Magic, p. 198}} "is [[Pyrovore|just broken]] (as in, the class was improperly made and doesn't function appropriately). Highly optimized (to the point of being able to spam their abilities) a Truenamer would be around Tier 4, but with lower optimization it rapidly drops to Tier 6." They can however be optimized to do some very specific things that no other class can, with god killing mastery of cosmic power, while still being trumped by a couple of enthusiastic bandits. | ||
==Tier 0== | ===Tier 0=== | ||
Not in the original list but often mentioned is a "Tier 0". Tier 0 is unique in that it applies to builds, albeit broad ones, not base classes. The primary idea is that while Tier 1 still needs to select what spells he prepares ahead of time, Tier 0 can pull the needed ability out of his ass when he sees a problem. The classic example is the "Rainbow Warsnake", a [[Warmage]] (traditionally, but [[Dread Necromancer]] and [[Beguiler]] also work) that adds the entire Cleric list, core and splat, to his spell list by taking 10 levels of Rainbow Servant. Since for a Warmage his "spell list is the same as his spells known list" he can just cast any spell on the Cleric list spontaneously to deal with problems as they come up. | Not in the original list but often mentioned is a "Tier 0". Tier 0 is unique in that it applies to builds, albeit broad ones, not base classes. The primary idea is that while Tier 1 still needs to select what spells he prepares ahead of time, Tier 0 can pull the needed ability out of his ass when he sees a problem. The classic example is the "Rainbow Warsnake", a [[Warmage]] (traditionally, but [[Dread Necromancer]] and [[Beguiler]] also work) that adds the entire Cleric list, core and splat, to his spell list by taking 10 levels of Rainbow Servant. Since for a Warmage his "spell list is the same as his spells known list" he can just cast any spell on the Cleric list spontaneously to deal with problems as they come up. | ||
Pathfinder briefly had Tier 0 Sorcerer and Oracle via the spell Paragon Surge. Paragon Surge grants the user a feat, chosen when the spell is cast. This feat could be spent on Expanded Arcana, which gave you an extra spell known of your highest level or two of a lower level. This meant a Sorcerer or Oracle could | Pathfinder briefly had Tier 0 Sorcerer and Oracle via the spell Paragon Surge. Paragon Surge grants the user a feat, chosen when the spell is cast. This feat could be spent on Expanded Arcana, which gave you an extra spell known of your highest level or two of a lower level. This meant a Sorcerer or Oracle could know ''any'' on list spell the player wanted to at the cost of a standard action and third level spell slot (or swift and 7th/metamagic rod and 3rd). This naturally got nerfed and now any future castings the same day give you the same feat. Still potent, and possibly enough to make the gap to tier 1, but not as stupidly broken. | ||
Potentially still Tier 0 in Pathfinder is the Sorcerer archetype Razmiran Priest. This archetype is capable of casting single use magic items of divine spells without expending them by blowing their own spell slots. This allows them to get as wide a spell list as an [[Archivist]], able to cast any divine spell they have a scroll or 1 charge wand of, but cast each spell whenever they want. This requires a Use Magic Device check, but it's piss easy to get it to the point you pass even on a roll of 1. This archetype is generally kept in check by its fluff, which requires being mutated by a crazy evil wizard pretending to be a god. | Potentially still Tier 0 in Pathfinder is the Sorcerer archetype Razmiran Priest. This archetype is capable of casting single use magic items of divine spells without expending them by blowing their own spell slots. This allows them to get as wide a spell list as an [[Archivist]], able to cast any divine spell they have a scroll or 1 charge wand of, but cast each spell whenever they want. This requires a Use Magic Device check, but it's piss easy to get it to the point you pass even on a roll of 1. This archetype is generally kept in check by its fluff, which requires being mutated by a crazy evil wizard pretending to be a god. | ||
==Prestige Classes== | === Tier ∞ === | ||
The original tier system did not assume prestige classes, assuming all classes got the same level of optimization and a took a straight 20 levels anyways. This left a gap to be filled | Also sometimes called «Tier 0», and is one of it's interpretations, but different enough to be considered it's own thing. For characters what are even more powerful at breaking the game through their ability to permanently improve themselves with few practical limits outside of the normal progression system. If Tier 1 is country with 10,000 nuclear weapons, then Tier ∞ is Space Empire and/or Post-Technological-Singularity civilization — with ''uncountable'' bombs, [[Wunderwaffen|wonderweapons]], and [[Space Marines]]. In other words, such characters enter the Singularity, as is "a point at which expected rules break down". For example: Soul Eater, [[Beholder]] Mage, [[Illithid]] Savant, Thrallherd, «Omniscifier», [[Pun-Pun]]. | ||
* «Normal» spellcasters are also capable of ''eventually'' becoming Tier ∞, since [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/GameBreaker/DungeonsAndDragonsThirdEdition Fortify seed is an endless loop] — you can increase the "stat you use to cast spells" (e.g. Intellect for Mages), what allows to roll a higher Spellcraft craft for Epic spell that increases said Primary Stat even further, and eventually get '''arbitrarily big''' stat — then, increase all other stats to match. However, while Tier 0, 1 and 2 characters and builds reach this by Epic Levels — «True» Tier ∞ are capable of going into «endless loop of improvement» from the get-go, or from early levels. | |||
* To differentiate «Tier what can pull the needed ability out of his ass when he sees a problem» and «Tier what can permanently improve themselves with few practical limits outside of the normal progression system», we could divide them into multiple Tiers. The former is Tier 0; The latter would be «Tier ∞», «Tier U» (Uber), «Tier S» (Super), or something like it. | |||
=== Multiclassing === | |||
Tier of multi-classed characters also needs determining. | |||
* If combination has good synergy (e.g. fighter + barbarian), it counts as highest tier of combination. If it has mediocre synergy but still makes sense, it counts as lower tier of combination. Absolutely dumb variants what make no sense are lower than both classes separate. Some particularly great combinations may be higher than all of it's components separately. | |||
* [[Dip Class]] is also consideration - as it can boost character's abilities without need to take many unrelated levels. | |||
===Prestige Classes=== | |||
The original tier system did not assume prestige classes, assuming all classes got the same level of optimization and a took a straight 20 levels anyways. This left a gap to be filled, so a second tier system was created for prestige classes. This system rates prestige classes based on how much more or less powerful they are than their "logical entry", a base class or combination of them that is the most logical and quickest way to enter a prestige class. For example: A prestige class that required casting second level arcane spells ''could'' be entered as a Wizard 1 by taking the Precocious Apprentice feat (an infamous way to enter such classes early), or Ranger 5/Assassin 3 (a late and terrible choice) but will typically be entered by three levels in Wizard. | |||
*+2: Really strong. The most broken cheese (Like Ur-Priest's double speed Cleric casting) is here. This also includes prestige classes that are not broken but are most logically entered by a terrible base class ([[Soulknife]] going into Soulbow) and make a big improvement upon it. Often enough to raise a class a tier on the original system. | *+2: Really strong. The most broken cheese (Like Ur-Priest's double speed Cleric casting) is here. This also includes prestige classes that are not broken but are most logically entered by a terrible base class ([[Soulknife]] going into Soulbow) and make a big improvement upon it. Often enough to raise a class a tier on the original system. | ||
*+1: A notable increase in power, but not serious. | *+1: A notable increase in power, but not serious. | ||
| Line 74: | Line 85: | ||
*-1: Like +1 but reversed. | *-1: Like +1 but reversed. | ||
*-2: These tend to be absolutely unsalvageable prestige classes. Often just plain old don't work or are extremely hard to enter by poor design. | *-2: These tend to be absolutely unsalvageable prestige classes. Often just plain old don't work or are extremely hard to enter by poor design. | ||
Tier 4 class with a "+2" PrC is not automatically Tier 2. If you want to maximize your power, use combination of high-Tier Class and high-Tier Prestige Class. | |||
While the idea was well received and the system is known to 3.X optimizers, this system never got all that popular compared to its parent system. | While the idea was well received and the system is known to 3.X optimizers, this system never got all that popular compared to its parent system. | ||
==Archetypes== | === For NPC's === | ||
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Generally, tier system works normally for NPC's built as if they were player character. That is - assuming NPC acts cleverly and uses everything at their disposal. | |||
But the NPC's with broken "for [NPC's of certain type] only" abilities, or monsters, things work strangely. PC's CL is his level - so, we compare monster's CL as if it was his level. The big dumb things would be low tiers, and spellcasting things likely as high tiers. | |||
=== Races/Species === | |||
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Each Race/Species could have it's own tier. Such as Humans and Half-Elves being quite good. That requires some research. And on top of that, there's Monster Class Adventurers - which require determining, whether or not their abilities do compensate for their large [[Level Adjustment]]. | |||
===Pathfinder Archetypes=== | |||
Pathfinder's archetype (alternate class features) system is notoriously hit and miss: Some trade great abilities for extremely niche ones, others are almost strictly better than the normal class. While many class guides rate archetypes, these ratings are rarely up to date or comprehensive even when new. To address this at the end of Pathfinder's life the community created a system for rating relative to their original class. Unlike other systems which rate on a single scale, this one rates both power and versatility on a separate pair of -2 to +2 scales. This means an archetype could decrease power but increase versatility. Unlike the ratings for classes and prestige classes, which rate on taking the class in full, it's quite common to see ratings note dipping into that archetype is superior to taking it in full. [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UY1RrLleESzHZv2L6rkJnWihtzyazz1kvUzisZTO9TU/edit Every archetype has been given a rating]. | Pathfinder's archetype (alternate class features) system is notoriously hit and miss: Some trade great abilities for extremely niche ones, others are almost strictly better than the normal class. While many class guides rate archetypes, these ratings are rarely up to date or comprehensive even when new. To address this at the end of Pathfinder's life the community created a system for rating relative to their original class. Unlike other systems which rate on a single scale, this one rates both power and versatility on a separate pair of -2 to +2 scales. This means an archetype could decrease power but increase versatility. Unlike the ratings for classes and prestige classes, which rate on taking the class in full, it's quite common to see ratings note dipping into that archetype is superior to taking it in full. [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UY1RrLleESzHZv2L6rkJnWihtzyazz1kvUzisZTO9TU/edit Every archetype has been given a rating]. | ||
===d20 Modern=== | |||
[[d20 Modern]] is almost as imbalanced as its parent game. However, its class system works differently enough to make the normal tier system unusable. Instead, each advanced class is put into three tiers, ranking both its combat prowess and versatility as the gaps between class quality are very significant, and that the design assumption not every game in the system includes the supernatural/superscience means few non-casting classes even have enhanced versatility in the first place. Tier 1 holds the casters, [[Psionics|manifesters]] and pseudo casters, as well as a couple of combat monsters, tier 3 holds the absolute garbage (Like Techie, who builds slightly better items anyone can make, or Road Warrior, a driving focused class that's not even that good at driving and has no other abilities) and tier 2 holds pretty much everything else. | |||
===DnD 4e=== | |||
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===DnD 5e=== | |||
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===Miscellaneous OGL d20 system games=== | |||
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Such as [[Star Wars d20]] and other d20 games. | |||
==Tier Lists== | |||
===Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition=== | |||
'''The Tier List''' (with average rating) (rankings last updated 11 May 2023) | |||
{|class="wikitable sortable" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" align="center" border="1" width="100%" | |||
|- align=center align=center | |||
!Class | |||
!Tier (2018) | |||
!Tier (2008) | |||
!Source | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[Druid]]''' | |||
| Tier 1 (1) | |||
| Tier 1 | |||
| [[Player's Handbook]] v.3.5, pgs. 33-37 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Sha'ir]] | |||
| Tier 1 (1) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragon Magazine]] #315, pgs. 79-83<br />[[Dragon Compendium]], pgs. 51-57 | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[Cleric]]''' | |||
| Tier 1 (1.05) | |||
| Tier 1 | |||
| [[Player's Handbook]] v.3.5, pgs. 30-33 | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[Wizard]]''' | |||
| Tier 1 (1.09) | |||
| Tier 1 | |||
| [[Player's Handbook]] v.3.5, pgs. 55-58 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Shaman]] | |||
| Tier 1 (1.12) | |||
| | |||
| [[Oriental Adventures]], pgs. 22-24 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Archivist]] | |||
| Tier 1 (1.13) | |||
| Tier 1 | |||
| [[Heroes of Horror]], pgs. 82-84<br />[https://web.archive.org/web/20200830220153/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20051007a&page=3 Heroes of Horror Excerpt Archivist] | |||
|- | |||
| [[Wu Jen]] | |||
| Tier 1 (1.17) | |||
| | |||
| [[Complete Arcane]], pgs. 14-16<br />[[Oriental Adventures]], pgs. 30-32 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Artificer]] | |||
| Tier 1 (1.28) | |||
| Tier 1 | |||
| [[Eberron Campaign Setting]], pgs. 29-33 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Variant Druid#Unearthed Arcana|Spontaneous Druid]] | |||
| Tier 1 (1.31) | |||
| | |||
| [[Unearthed Arcana]], pgs. 64-65 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Urban Druid]] | |||
| Tier 2 (1.36) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragon Compendium]], pgs. 57-65 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Death Master]] | |||
| Tier 2 (1.49) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragon Compendium]], pgs. 29-36 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Generic Spellcaster]] | |||
| Tier 2 (1.66) | |||
| | |||
| [[Unearthed Arcana]], pg. 77 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Variant Cleric#Unearthed Arcana|Spontaneous Cleric]] | |||
| Tier 2 (1.74) | |||
| | |||
| [[Unearthed Arcana]], pgs. 64-65 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Erudite]] | |||
| Tier 2 (1.78) | |||
| Tier 1<ref group="D&D3 Note">''Convert Spell to Power'' substitution from [https://web.archive.org/web/20151102164617/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20070629a Expanded Classes, Part Four]</ref><br/ >Tier 2 | |||
| [[Dragon Magazine]] #319, pgs. 46-49<br />[https://web.archive.org/web/20200830220102/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20060406b&page=1 Complete Psionic Preview Erudite]<br />[[Complete Psionic]] pgs. 153-156 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Psion]] | |||
| Tier 2 (1.78) | |||
| Tier 2 | |||
| [[Psionics Handbook]], pgs. 6-13<br />[[Expanded Psionics Handbook]], pgs. 19-24 | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[Sorcerer]]''' | |||
| Tier 2 (1.81) | |||
| Tier 2 | |||
| [[Player's Handbook]] v.3.5, pgs. 51-55 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Evangelist]] | |||
| Tier 2 (1.88) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragon Magazine]] #311, pgs. 52-53 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Beguiler]] | |||
| Tier 2 (2) | |||
| Tier 3 | |||
| [[Player's Handbook II]], pgs. 6-11 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Mystic]] | |||
| Tier 2 (2) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragonlance Campaign Setting]], pgs. 47-50 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Dread Necromancer]] | |||
| Tier 2 (2.15) | |||
| Tier 3 | |||
| [[Heroes of Horror]], pgs. 84-88 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Warmage]] | |||
| Tier 3 (2.2) | |||
| Tier 4 | |||
| [[Complete Arcane]], pgs. 10-14<br />[[Miniatures Handbook]], pgs. 14-16 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Ardent]] | |||
| Tier 2 (2.2) | |||
| | |||
| [[Complete Psionic]], pgs. 5-8 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Favored Soul]] | |||
| Tier 2 (2.29) | |||
| Tier 2 | |||
| [[Complete Divine]], pgs. 6-10<br />[[Miniatures Handbook]], pgs. 5-8 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Spirit Shaman]] | |||
| Tier 2 (2.49) | |||
| | |||
| [[Complete Divine]], pgs. 14-18 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Mystic Ranger]] | |||
| Tier 2 (2.49) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragon Magazine]] #336, pg. 105 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Wilder]] | |||
| Tier 3 (2.55) | |||
| | |||
| [[Expanded Psionics Handbook]], pgs. 29-32 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Shugenja]] | |||
| Tier 3 (2.84) | |||
| | |||
| [[Oriental Adventures]], pgs. 24-27<br />[[Complete Divine]], pgs. 10-14 | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[Bard]]''' | |||
| Tier 3 (2.91) | |||
| Tier 3 | |||
| [[Player's Handbook]] v.3.5, pgs. 26-30 | |||
|- | |||
| Trickster [[Spellthief]] | |||
| Tier 3 (2.95) | |||
| | |||
| [[Complete Adventurer]], pgs. 13-20<br />[https://web.archive.org/web/20201112012020/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20050107a Spellthief preview]<br />[[Dragon Magazine]] #353, pg. 85<ref group="D&D3 Note">For the Trickster class substitution</ref> | |||
|- | |||
| [[Jester]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.07) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragon Compendium]], pgs. 36-42 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Totemist]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.08) | |||
| | |||
| [[Magic of Incarnum]], pgs. 29-32 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Swordsage]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.12) | |||
| Tier 3 | |||
| [[Tome of Battle]], pgs. 15-20 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Warlock]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.21) | |||
| Tier 4 | |||
| [[Complete Arcane]], pgs. 5-10 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Binder]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.21) | |||
| Tier 2<ref group="D&D3 Note">With online [[Vestige]]s, primarily ''Zceryll, "The Star Spawn"'' from [https://web.archive.org/web/20211001135258/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd%2Ffrcc%2F20070718 Class Chronicles: Binders]</ref><br />Tier 3 | |||
| [[Tome of Magic]], pgs. 9-16 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Crusader]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.22) | |||
| Tier 3 | |||
| [[Tome of Battle]], pgs. 8-14 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Warblade]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.26) | |||
| Tier 3 | |||
| [[Tome of Battle]], pgs. 20-26 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Dragonfire Adept]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.28) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragon Magic]], pgs. 24-30 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Psychic Warrior]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.32) | |||
| Tier 3 | |||
| [[Psionics Handbook]], pgs. 13-16<br />[[Expanded Psionics Handbook]], pgs. 24-26 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Healer]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.33) | |||
| Tier 5 | |||
| [[Miniatures Handbook]], pgs. 8-11 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Duskblade]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.34) | |||
| Tier 3 (Low) | |||
| [[Player's Handbook II]], pgs. 19-24 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Lurk]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.4) | |||
| | |||
| [[Complete Psionic]] pgs. 13-16 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Psychic Rogue]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.4) | |||
| | |||
| [https://web.archive.org/web/20141216195734/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040723b Psychic Rogue] | |||
|- | |||
| [[Variant Ranger#Unearthed Arcana|Wild Shape Ranger]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.47) | |||
| Tier 3 | |||
| [[Unearthed Arcana]], pg. 58 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Incarnate]] | |||
| Tier 3 (3.5) | |||
| | |||
| [[Magic of Incarnum]], pgs. 20-25 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Factotum]] | |||
| Tier 4 (3.36) | |||
| Tier 3 | |||
| [[Dungeonscape]], pgs. 14-20 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Wild Monk]] | |||
| Tier 4 (3.51) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragon Magazine]] #324, pg. 97 | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[Rogue]]''' | |||
| Tier 4 (3.79) | |||
| Tier 4 | |||
| [[Player's Handbook]] v.3.5, pgs. 49-51 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Shadowcaster]] | |||
| Tier 4 (3.82) | |||
| | |||
| [[Tome of Magic]], pgs. 111-116 | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[Barbarian]]''' | |||
| Tier 4 (4) | |||
| Tier 4 | |||
| [[Player's Handbook]] v.3.5, pgs. 24-26 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Generic Expert]] | |||
| Tier 4 (4) | |||
| | |||
| [[Unearthed Arcana]], pg. 77 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Generic Warrior]] | |||
| Tier 4 (4) | |||
| | |||
| [[Unearthed Arcana]], pg. 78 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Spellthief]] | |||
| Tier 4 (4.11) | |||
| Tier 4 | |||
| [[Complete Adventurer]], pgs. 13-20 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Scout]] | |||
| Tier 4 (4.15) | |||
| Tier 4 | |||
| [[Complete Adventurer]], pgs. 10-13 | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[Paladin]]''' | |||
| Tier 4 (4.18) | |||
| Tier 5 (High) | |||
| [[Player's Handbook]] v.3.5, pgs. 42-46 | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[Ranger]]''' | |||
| Tier 4 (4.28) | |||
| Tier 4 | |||
| [[Player's Handbook]] v.3.5, pgs. 46-49 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Ninja]] | |||
| Tier 4 (4.33) | |||
| Tier 5 | |||
| [[Complete Adventurer]], pgs. 5-10 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Savant]] | |||
| Tier 4 (4.37) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragon Compendium]], pgs. 45-50 | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[Fighter]]''' | |||
| Tier 4 (4.48) | |||
| Tier 4<ref group="D&D3 Note">''Zhentarim Soldier'' substitution levels from the [[Champions of Valor]] web enhancement [https://web.archive.org/web/20150401184859/http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060327a Benefits of Membership] pgs. 6-7</ref><br />Tier 5 (High) | |||
| [[Player's Handbook]] v.3.5, pgs. 37-39 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Marshal]] | |||
| Tier 4 (4.49) | |||
| Tier 4 | |||
| [[Miniatures Handbook]], pgs. 11-13 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Adept]] | |||
| Tier 5 (4.54) | |||
| Tier 4 | |||
| [[Dungeon Master's Guide]] v.3.5, pgs. 107-108 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Truenamer]] | |||
| Tier 5 (4.56) | |||
| Tier 4 (Highly Optimized)<br />Tier 6 | |||
| [[Tome of Magic]], pgs. 198-203 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Sohei]] | |||
| Tier 5 (4.58) | |||
| | |||
| [[Oriental Adventures]], pgs. 27-29 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Hexblade]] | |||
| Tier 5 (4.65) | |||
| Tier 4 (Low) | |||
| [[Complete Warrior]], pgs. | |||
|- | |||
| [[Battle Dancer]] | |||
| Tier 5 (4.73) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragon Compendium]], pgs. 26-29 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Divine Mind]] | |||
| Tier 5 (4.75) | |||
| | |||
| [[Complete Psionic]] pgs. 9-13 | |||
|- | |||
| '''[[Monk]]''' | |||
| Tier 5 (4.78) | |||
| Tier 5 | |||
| [[Player's Handbook]] v.3.5, pgs. 39-42 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Dragon Shaman]] | |||
| Tier 5 (4.81) | |||
| | |||
| [[Player's Handbook II]], pgs. 11-19 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Mountebank]] | |||
| Tier 5 (4.84) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragon Compendium]], pgs. 42-45 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Samurai]] (OA) | |||
| Tier 5 (4.85) | |||
| Tier 5 | |||
| [[Oriental Adventures]], pgs. 20-22 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Magewright]] | |||
| Tier 5 (4.94) | |||
| | |||
| [[Eberron Campaign Setting]], pgs. 256-257 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Soulborn]] | |||
| Tier 5 (5.01) | |||
| | |||
| [[Magic of Incarnum]], pgs. 25-28 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Knight]] | |||
| Tier 5 (5.02) | |||
| Tier 5 | |||
| [[Player's Handbook II]], pgs. 24-30 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Noble]] | |||
| Tier 5 (5.05) | |||
| | |||
| [[Dragonlance Campaign Setting]], pgs. 50-52 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Swashbuckler]] | |||
| Tier 5 (5.07) | |||
| Tier 5 | |||
| [[Complete Warrior]], pgs. 11-13 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Soulknife]] | |||
| Tier 5 (5.22) | |||
| Tier 5 | |||
| [[Expanded Psionics Handbook]], pgs. 26-29 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Samurai]] (CW) | |||
| Tier 5 (5.26) | |||
| Tier 5<ref group="D&D3 Note">''Imperious Command'' feat from [[Drow of the Underdark]] pg. 50</ref><br />Tier 6 | |||
| [[Complete Warrior]], pgs. 8-11 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Expert]] | |||
| Tier 6 (5.73) | |||
| Tier 5 | |||
| [[Dungeon Master's Guide]] v.3.5, pg. 109 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Aristocrat]] | |||
| Tier 6 (5.76) | |||
| Tier 6 | |||
| [[Dungeon Master's Guide]] v.3.5, pg. 108 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Warrior]] | |||
| Tier 6 (5.8) | |||
| Tier 6 | |||
| [[Dungeon Master's Guide]] v.3.5, pgs. 109-110 | |||
|- | |||
| [[Commoner]] | |||
| Tier 6 (6) | |||
| Tier 6 | |||
| [[Dungeon Master's Guide]] v.3.5, pgs. 108-109 | |||
|} | |||
====Notes==== | |||
<references group="D&D3 Note" /> | |||
===Pathfinder=== | |||
*Tier 1: [[Arcanist]]. | |||
*Tier 2: [[Oracle]], [[Summoner]], [[Shaman]], [[Witch]]. | |||
*Tier 3: [[Alchemist#Pathfinder|Alchemist]]<sup>{{tt|++|Simulacrum discoveries can make them tier 1}}</sup>,[[Bloodrager]]<sup>{{tt|−|Could easily be considered tier 4}}</sup> [[Investigator]], [[Inquisitor (Pathfinder)|Inquisitor]], [[Magus]], [[Skald]], [[Spiritualist]], Unchained [[Summoner]], [[Warpriest]], [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)|Vigilante]] (Spellcasting archetype), Sacred Servant [[Paladin]] <sup>{{tt|+|Tier 2 with certain domains or Planar Ally picks}}</sup>, Eldritch Scoundrel [[Rogue]], certain [[Monk]] archetype combinations. | |||
*Tier 4: Small sized [[Cavalier]], [[Paladin]], [[Kineticist]] <sup>{{tt|+/-|Aether can be tier 3, Wood/Void can be tier 5 as can any element hosed by the campaign's monster choice}}</sup>, [[Medium]] <sup>{{tt|+/-|Depending on the archetype & spirit}}</sup>, Unchained [[Monk]], certain [[Monk]] archetypes, [[Shifter (Pathfinder)|Shifter]] <sup>{{tt|-|Could easily be considered tier 5}}</sup>, [[Slayer#Pathfinder|Slayer]], [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)|Vigilante]] <sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 3}}</sup>. | |||
*Tier 5: Medium sized [[Cavalier]], [[Gunslinger]] <sup>{{tt|+|Could easily be considered tier 4 at higher levels. Depends on [to what degree] Advanced Firearms/Modern Firearms/Technological Weapons are available and common.}}</sup>, [[Swashbuckler]] <sup>{{tt|−|Could easily be considered tier 6}}</sup>. | |||
===Third Party Pathfinder=== | |||
Most Third-party classes worth using were built to fall into Tier 3. | |||
* Tier 1: [[Savant]] | |||
* Tier 2: [[Incanter]], [[Symbiat]], [[Armiger]]<sup>{{tt|-|Can be tier 3}}</sup>, [[Conscript]] | |||
* Tier 3: [[Harbinger]], [[Mystic]], [[Zealot]], [[Warlord]], [[Warder]], [[Stalker]], [[Tactician]] <sup>{{tt|+|Picking the right powers with Expanded Knowledge can make them tier 2}}</sup>, [[Vitalist]]<sup>{{tt|+|Picking the right powers with Expanded Knowledge can make them tier 2}}</sup>, [[Aegis]], [[Soulknife]] (Augmented Blade or War Soul archetype), [[Armorist]], [[Elementalist]], [[Eliciter]], [[Fey Adept]], [[Hedgewitch]], [[Shifter#Spheres of Power]], [[Soul Weaver (Pathfinder)|Soul Weaver]], [[Thaumaturge]], [[Wraith]], [[Pactmaker]]. | |||
* Tier 4: [[Soulknife]]<sup>{{tt|+|Without Warsoul or Gifted Blade}}</sup> (''Psionics Unleashed''). | |||
* Tier 5: [[Shifter (Pathfinder)|Shifter]]<sup>{{tt|+|Can be tier 4}}</sup> | |||
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The Tier System is a ranking of the player character classes for OGL d20 system (D&D 3rd, 3.5 and Pathfinder), devised by the mix/maxing nerds at Gamesologists Forums, that compares the relative power and versatility of the different character classes. After burning out the bump limit in the forums a few times over, it became clear that some classes are just useless, and some are wickedly broken. The Tiers aren't about what classes you should always pick, but rather making sure the player characters in the party are balanced so that nobody feels like a fifth wheel. With a party of a Druid, Wizard, Bard and Monk, you can tell that the Monk player is gonna have much less fun because she'll be overshadowed by the others.
Some classes can move up and down, either with variants (already mentioned above, with some serious min/maxing and munchkinism) or, for Pathfinder, a class option. The original thread says that the "Truenamer" class is pretty broken (as in, not working as intended,) and usually ends up at Tier 6 or worse - unless it's min/maxed out the wazoo to be able to spam its abilities, in which case it rises to Tier 4. Even then, being in the same tier doesn't make two classes equal, just in the same range - the hexblade's clearly shittier than the ranger or barbarian, but it still ekes out a spot in Tier 4, and the samurai's better than its NPC class bros just by virtue of having class features, even if they suck. The tier list also assumes that all the players are about the same level of skill and at least sort of know what they're doing; a druid who prepares nothing but heal spells and charges into combat with a scimitar while never wildshaping is a lot worse than a samurai who's minmaxed Intimidate enough to make every enemy within 30 feet shit themselves as a swift action. Tier 3 classes are generally considered the ideal balance point, being versatile and powerful but not so much so they can't be challenged.
Since WotC very rarely supported non-core classes beyond their initial book, and core classes had fundamental flaws or their most broken abilities were core, what books are usable doesn't really matter much for 3.x tiers. Bard is the main exception, as core only bards are pretty lame but they have a huge amount of unique splat support. Pathfinder is different here because it actually supported its non-core classes, and many classes used talents selected from a list every few levels which are well suited for expansion in splat. This still rarely matters, but it means certain retardedly broken options pop up from time to time. This generally works out to "take this and you're tier 2" and more archetypes that fundamentally change the class being in a different tier (though 3.5 had some as well, such as the Wildshape Ranger), but Vigilante is dependent upon talents released after Ultimate Intrigue to hit tier 3 without taking a casting based archetype and Medium is terrible without the support it got past Occult Adventures.
The following is copypasta, mostly because the forum threads for this keep burning out over at Gamesologists, but partially so that fa/tg/uys can still look down their noses at the math nerds at Brilliant-Gamesologists-dot-Com. The "Pathfinder examples" and "Third Party examples" sections were not in the original post and have been added for convenience.
Note that the tier lists measure general ability to get shit done, rather than pure, balls-out combat power. Some martial classes are unstoppable terrors in combat, but once the fight stops, they might as well go crack open a soda, while wizards and skillmonkeys generally continue to contribute all the time. In fact, that's half of tier 4; classes that are super good at one or two things, but suck ass at doing anything else. The list also takes a look at more of the mid-to-late-game potential of classes: an unoptimised druid isn't that much better than an unoptimised barbarian at level 1 (and is arguably worse; barbarians get a lot out of the gate, particularly if using a two-handed weapon), but as they both level up the gap between them widens exponentially. NPC's power and influence also corresponds with higher tier, assuming they act cleverly and use all options at their disposal: Tier 1 BBEG is a lot more scary and devious than Tier 4 BBEG of same level.
- Tier System for Classes discussion at Brilliant Gameologists
- Archive version of Brilliant Gameologists thread
- Version on BG's replacement.
- A discussion about tiers for 5E classes
- /tg/ turns socialist and tries to fix the class tier system.
- Giant in the Playground community update of the tier list
- Note: Entries in italics are classes the original author was not versed in but had heard a lot about; take their tier placement with a grain of salt.
Tier System[edit | edit source]
Tier 1[edit | edit source]
Capable of doing absolutely everything, often better than classes that specialize in that thing. Often capable of solving encounters with a single mechanical ability and little thought from the player. Has world-changing powers at high levels. If played with skill, these guys can easily break a campaign and be very hard to challenge without extreme DM fiat or plenty of house rules, especially if Tier 3s and below are in the party. Capable of winning in situations severe enough to result in TPK of Tier-3 and lower party; conversely, situation difficult enough to seriously threaten a party of Tier 1's, would result in TPK of party full of Tier-3's. Can handle enemies of higher than normal CR (especially since rewards are also higher than normal).
- Examples: Artificer, archivist, cleric, druid, erudite (Spell to Power variant), wizard, powergamed Dragonwrought Kobold Sorcerer
- Pathfinder Examples: Arcanist.
Tier 2[edit | edit source]
Has as much raw power as the Tier 1 classes, but can't pull off nearly as many tricks, and while the class itself is capable of anything, no one build can actually do nearly as much as the Tier 1 classes. Still potentially campaign smashers by using the right abilities, but at the same time are more predictable and can't always have the right tool for the job. If the Tier 1 classes are countries with 10,000 nuclear weapons in their arsenal, these guys are countries with 10 nukes. Still dangerous and easily world shattering, but not in quite so many ways. Note that the Tier 2 classes are often less flexible than Tier 3 classes... it's just that their incredible potential power overwhelms their lack in flexibility.
- Examples: Binder (Zceryll, "The Star Spawn" vestige), erudite, favored soul, psion, sorcerer
- Pathfinder Examples: Oracle, Summoner, Shaman, Witch.
Tier 3[edit | edit source]
Capable of doing one thing quite well, while still being useful when that one thing is inappropriate, or capable of doing all things, but not as well as classes specializing in that area. Occasionally has a mechanical ability to solve an encounter, but this is relatively rare and easy to deal with. They can be game-breaking only with specific intent to do so. Challenging such a character takes some thought from the DM, but isn't too difficult. Will outshine any Tier 5s in the party much of the time.
- Examples: Bard, beguiler, binder, crusader, dread necromancer, duskblade−, factotum, psychic warrior, ranger (wild shape variant), swordsage, warblade
- Pathfinder Examples: Alchemist++,Bloodrager− Investigator, Inquisitor, Magus, Skald, Spiritualist, Unchained Summoner, Warpriest, Vigilante (Spellcasting archetype), Sacred Servant Paladin +, Eldritch Scoundrel Rogue, certain Monk archetype combinations.
- Third Party Examples: All Path of War classes, Tactician +, Vitalist+, Aeigis, Soulknife (Augmented Blade or War Soul archetype), most Spheres of Power classes, Occultist. (In short, most Third Party class worth using were built to fall into this tier.)
Tier 4[edit | edit source]
Capable of doing one thing quite well, but often useless when encounters require other areas of expertise, or capable of doing many things to a reasonable degree of competence without truly shining. Rarely has any abilities that can outright handle an encounter unless that encounter plays directly to the class's main strength. DMs may sometimes need to work to make sure Tier 4s can contribute to an encounter, as their abilities may sometimes leave them useless. Won't outshine anyone except Tier 6s except in specific circumstances that play to their strengths. Cannot compete effectively with Tier 1s that are played well.
- Examples: Adept, barbarian, fighter (Zhentarim soldier substitution levels (pgs. 6-7), hexblade−, marshal, ranger, rogue, scout, spellthief, warlock, warmage
- Pathfinder Examples: , small sized Cavalier, Paladin, Kineticist +/-, Medium +/-, Unchained Monk, certain Monk archetypes, Shifter -, Slayer, Vigilante +.
- Third Party Examples: Soulknife (Psionics Unleashed).
Tier 5[edit | edit source]
Capable of doing only one thing, and not necessarily all that well, or so unfocused that they have trouble mastering anything, and in many types of encounters the character cannot contribute. In some cases, can do one thing very well, but that one thing is very often not needed. Has trouble shining in any encounter unless the encounter matches their strengths. DMs may have to work to avoid the player feeling that their character is worthless unless the entire party is Tier 4 and below. Characters in this tier will often feel like one trick ponies if they do well, or just feel like they have no tricks at all if they build the class poorly.
- Examples: Expert, fighter+, healer, knight, monk, ninja, paladin+, samuraiCW (with Imperious Command feat), samuraiOA, soulknife, swashbuckler
- Pathfinder Examples: Medium sized Cavalier, Gunslinger +, Swashbuckler −.
Tier 6[edit | edit source]
Not even capable of shining in their own area of expertise. DMs will need to work hard to make encounters that this sort of character can contribute in with their mechanical abilities. Will often feel worthless unless the character is seriously powergamed beyond belief, and even then won't be terribly impressive. Needs to fight enemies of lower than normal CR. Class is often completely unsynergized or with almost no abilities of merit. Avoid allowing PCs to play these characters.
- Examples: Aristocrat, commoner, samuraiCW+, warrior
Truenamer[edit | edit source]
A class so terrible it gets its own tier, the Truenamer "is just broken (as in, the class was improperly made and doesn't function appropriately). Highly optimized (to the point of being able to spam their abilities) a Truenamer would be around Tier 4, but with lower optimization it rapidly drops to Tier 6." They can however be optimized to do some very specific things that no other class can, with god killing mastery of cosmic power, while still being trumped by a couple of enthusiastic bandits.
Tier 0[edit | edit source]
Not in the original list but often mentioned is a "Tier 0". Tier 0 is unique in that it applies to builds, albeit broad ones, not base classes. The primary idea is that while Tier 1 still needs to select what spells he prepares ahead of time, Tier 0 can pull the needed ability out of his ass when he sees a problem. The classic example is the "Rainbow Warsnake", a Warmage (traditionally, but Dread Necromancer and Beguiler also work) that adds the entire Cleric list, core and splat, to his spell list by taking 10 levels of Rainbow Servant. Since for a Warmage his "spell list is the same as his spells known list" he can just cast any spell on the Cleric list spontaneously to deal with problems as they come up.
Pathfinder briefly had Tier 0 Sorcerer and Oracle via the spell Paragon Surge. Paragon Surge grants the user a feat, chosen when the spell is cast. This feat could be spent on Expanded Arcana, which gave you an extra spell known of your highest level or two of a lower level. This meant a Sorcerer or Oracle could know any on list spell the player wanted to at the cost of a standard action and third level spell slot (or swift and 7th/metamagic rod and 3rd). This naturally got nerfed and now any future castings the same day give you the same feat. Still potent, and possibly enough to make the gap to tier 1, but not as stupidly broken.
Potentially still Tier 0 in Pathfinder is the Sorcerer archetype Razmiran Priest. This archetype is capable of casting single use magic items of divine spells without expending them by blowing their own spell slots. This allows them to get as wide a spell list as an Archivist, able to cast any divine spell they have a scroll or 1 charge wand of, but cast each spell whenever they want. This requires a Use Magic Device check, but it's piss easy to get it to the point you pass even on a roll of 1. This archetype is generally kept in check by its fluff, which requires being mutated by a crazy evil wizard pretending to be a god.
Tier ∞[edit | edit source]
Also sometimes called «Tier 0», and is one of it's interpretations, but different enough to be considered it's own thing. For characters what are even more powerful at breaking the game through their ability to permanently improve themselves with few practical limits outside of the normal progression system. If Tier 1 is country with 10,000 nuclear weapons, then Tier ∞ is Space Empire and/or Post-Technological-Singularity civilization — with uncountable bombs, wonderweapons, and Space Marines. In other words, such characters enter the Singularity, as is "a point at which expected rules break down". For example: Soul Eater, Beholder Mage, Illithid Savant, Thrallherd, «Omniscifier», Pun-Pun.
- «Normal» spellcasters are also capable of eventually becoming Tier ∞, since Fortify seed is an endless loop — you can increase the "stat you use to cast spells" (e.g. Intellect for Mages), what allows to roll a higher Spellcraft craft for Epic spell that increases said Primary Stat even further, and eventually get arbitrarily big stat — then, increase all other stats to match. However, while Tier 0, 1 and 2 characters and builds reach this by Epic Levels — «True» Tier ∞ are capable of going into «endless loop of improvement» from the get-go, or from early levels.
- To differentiate «Tier what can pull the needed ability out of his ass when he sees a problem» and «Tier what can permanently improve themselves with few practical limits outside of the normal progression system», we could divide them into multiple Tiers. The former is Tier 0; The latter would be «Tier ∞», «Tier U» (Uber), «Tier S» (Super), or something like it.
Multiclassing[edit | edit source]
Tier of multi-classed characters also needs determining.
- If combination has good synergy (e.g. fighter + barbarian), it counts as highest tier of combination. If it has mediocre synergy but still makes sense, it counts as lower tier of combination. Absolutely dumb variants what make no sense are lower than both classes separate. Some particularly great combinations may be higher than all of it's components separately.
- Dip Class is also consideration - as it can boost character's abilities without need to take many unrelated levels.
Prestige Classes[edit | edit source]
The original tier system did not assume prestige classes, assuming all classes got the same level of optimization and a took a straight 20 levels anyways. This left a gap to be filled, so a second tier system was created for prestige classes. This system rates prestige classes based on how much more or less powerful they are than their "logical entry", a base class or combination of them that is the most logical and quickest way to enter a prestige class. For example: A prestige class that required casting second level arcane spells could be entered as a Wizard 1 by taking the Precocious Apprentice feat (an infamous way to enter such classes early), or Ranger 5/Assassin 3 (a late and terrible choice) but will typically be entered by three levels in Wizard.
- +2: Really strong. The most broken cheese (Like Ur-Priest's double speed Cleric casting) is here. This also includes prestige classes that are not broken but are most logically entered by a terrible base class (Soulknife going into Soulbow) and make a big improvement upon it. Often enough to raise a class a tier on the original system.
- +1: A notable increase in power, but not serious.
- +0: A sidegrade or incredibly minor power boost.
- -1: Like +1 but reversed.
- -2: These tend to be absolutely unsalvageable prestige classes. Often just plain old don't work or are extremely hard to enter by poor design.
Tier 4 class with a "+2" PrC is not automatically Tier 2. If you want to maximize your power, use combination of high-Tier Class and high-Tier Prestige Class.
While the idea was well received and the system is known to 3.X optimizers, this system never got all that popular compared to its parent system.
For NPC's[edit | edit source]
Generally, tier system works normally for NPC's built as if they were player character. That is - assuming NPC acts cleverly and uses everything at their disposal.
But the NPC's with broken "for [NPC's of certain type] only" abilities, or monsters, things work strangely. PC's CL is his level - so, we compare monster's CL as if it was his level. The big dumb things would be low tiers, and spellcasting things likely as high tiers.
Races/Species[edit | edit source]
Each Race/Species could have it's own tier. Such as Humans and Half-Elves being quite good. That requires some research. And on top of that, there's Monster Class Adventurers - which require determining, whether or not their abilities do compensate for their large Level Adjustment.
Pathfinder Archetypes[edit | edit source]
Pathfinder's archetype (alternate class features) system is notoriously hit and miss: Some trade great abilities for extremely niche ones, others are almost strictly better than the normal class. While many class guides rate archetypes, these ratings are rarely up to date or comprehensive even when new. To address this at the end of Pathfinder's life the community created a system for rating relative to their original class. Unlike other systems which rate on a single scale, this one rates both power and versatility on a separate pair of -2 to +2 scales. This means an archetype could decrease power but increase versatility. Unlike the ratings for classes and prestige classes, which rate on taking the class in full, it's quite common to see ratings note dipping into that archetype is superior to taking it in full. Every archetype has been given a rating.
d20 Modern[edit | edit source]
d20 Modern is almost as imbalanced as its parent game. However, its class system works differently enough to make the normal tier system unusable. Instead, each advanced class is put into three tiers, ranking both its combat prowess and versatility as the gaps between class quality are very significant, and that the design assumption not every game in the system includes the supernatural/superscience means few non-casting classes even have enhanced versatility in the first place. Tier 1 holds the casters, manifesters and pseudo casters, as well as a couple of combat monsters, tier 3 holds the absolute garbage (Like Techie, who builds slightly better items anyone can make, or Road Warrior, a driving focused class that's not even that good at driving and has no other abilities) and tier 2 holds pretty much everything else.
DnD 4e[edit | edit source]
DnD 5e[edit | edit source]
Miscellaneous OGL d20 system games[edit | edit source]
Such as Star Wars d20 and other d20 games.
Tier Lists[edit | edit source]
Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition[edit | edit source]
The Tier List (with average rating) (rankings last updated 11 May 2023)
| Class | Tier (2018) | Tier (2008) | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Druid | Tier 1 (1) | Tier 1 | Player's Handbook v.3.5, pgs. 33-37 |
| Sha'ir | Tier 1 (1) | Dragon Magazine #315, pgs. 79-83 Dragon Compendium, pgs. 51-57 | |
| Cleric | Tier 1 (1.05) | Tier 1 | Player's Handbook v.3.5, pgs. 30-33 |
| Wizard | Tier 1 (1.09) | Tier 1 | Player's Handbook v.3.5, pgs. 55-58 |
| Shaman | Tier 1 (1.12) | Oriental Adventures, pgs. 22-24 | |
| Archivist | Tier 1 (1.13) | Tier 1 | Heroes of Horror, pgs. 82-84 Heroes of Horror Excerpt Archivist |
| Wu Jen | Tier 1 (1.17) | Complete Arcane, pgs. 14-16 Oriental Adventures, pgs. 30-32 | |
| Artificer | Tier 1 (1.28) | Tier 1 | Eberron Campaign Setting, pgs. 29-33 |
| Spontaneous Druid | Tier 1 (1.31) | Unearthed Arcana, pgs. 64-65 | |
| Urban Druid | Tier 2 (1.36) | Dragon Compendium, pgs. 57-65 | |
| Death Master | Tier 2 (1.49) | Dragon Compendium, pgs. 29-36 | |
| Generic Spellcaster | Tier 2 (1.66) | Unearthed Arcana, pg. 77 | |
| Spontaneous Cleric | Tier 2 (1.74) | Unearthed Arcana, pgs. 64-65 | |
| Erudite | Tier 2 (1.78) | Tier 1[D&D3 Note 1] Tier 2 |
Dragon Magazine #319, pgs. 46-49 Complete Psionic Preview Erudite Complete Psionic pgs. 153-156 |
| Psion | Tier 2 (1.78) | Tier 2 | Psionics Handbook, pgs. 6-13 Expanded Psionics Handbook, pgs. 19-24 |
| Sorcerer | Tier 2 (1.81) | Tier 2 | Player's Handbook v.3.5, pgs. 51-55 |
| Evangelist | Tier 2 (1.88) | Dragon Magazine #311, pgs. 52-53 | |
| Beguiler | Tier 2 (2) | Tier 3 | Player's Handbook II, pgs. 6-11 |
| Mystic | Tier 2 (2) | Dragonlance Campaign Setting, pgs. 47-50 | |
| Dread Necromancer | Tier 2 (2.15) | Tier 3 | Heroes of Horror, pgs. 84-88 |
| Warmage | Tier 3 (2.2) | Tier 4 | Complete Arcane, pgs. 10-14 Miniatures Handbook, pgs. 14-16 |
| Ardent | Tier 2 (2.2) | Complete Psionic, pgs. 5-8 | |
| Favored Soul | Tier 2 (2.29) | Tier 2 | Complete Divine, pgs. 6-10 Miniatures Handbook, pgs. 5-8 |
| Spirit Shaman | Tier 2 (2.49) | Complete Divine, pgs. 14-18 | |
| Mystic Ranger | Tier 2 (2.49) | Dragon Magazine #336, pg. 105 | |
| Wilder | Tier 3 (2.55) | Expanded Psionics Handbook, pgs. 29-32 | |
| Shugenja | Tier 3 (2.84) | Oriental Adventures, pgs. 24-27 Complete Divine, pgs. 10-14 | |
| Bard | Tier 3 (2.91) | Tier 3 | Player's Handbook v.3.5, pgs. 26-30 |
| Trickster Spellthief | Tier 3 (2.95) | Complete Adventurer, pgs. 13-20 Spellthief preview Dragon Magazine #353, pg. 85[D&D3 Note 2] | |
| Jester | Tier 3 (3.07) | Dragon Compendium, pgs. 36-42 | |
| Totemist | Tier 3 (3.08) | Magic of Incarnum, pgs. 29-32 | |
| Swordsage | Tier 3 (3.12) | Tier 3 | Tome of Battle, pgs. 15-20 |
| Warlock | Tier 3 (3.21) | Tier 4 | Complete Arcane, pgs. 5-10 |
| Binder | Tier 3 (3.21) | Tier 2[D&D3 Note 3] Tier 3 |
Tome of Magic, pgs. 9-16 |
| Crusader | Tier 3 (3.22) | Tier 3 | Tome of Battle, pgs. 8-14 |
| Warblade | Tier 3 (3.26) | Tier 3 | Tome of Battle, pgs. 20-26 |
| Dragonfire Adept | Tier 3 (3.28) | Dragon Magic, pgs. 24-30 | |
| Psychic Warrior | Tier 3 (3.32) | Tier 3 | Psionics Handbook, pgs. 13-16 Expanded Psionics Handbook, pgs. 24-26 |
| Healer | Tier 3 (3.33) | Tier 5 | Miniatures Handbook, pgs. 8-11 |
| Duskblade | Tier 3 (3.34) | Tier 3 (Low) | Player's Handbook II, pgs. 19-24 |
| Lurk | Tier 3 (3.4) | Complete Psionic pgs. 13-16 | |
| Psychic Rogue | Tier 3 (3.4) | Psychic Rogue | |
| Wild Shape Ranger | Tier 3 (3.47) | Tier 3 | Unearthed Arcana, pg. 58 |
| Incarnate | Tier 3 (3.5) | Magic of Incarnum, pgs. 20-25 | |
| Factotum | Tier 4 (3.36) | Tier 3 | Dungeonscape, pgs. 14-20 |
| Wild Monk | Tier 4 (3.51) | Dragon Magazine #324, pg. 97 | |
| Rogue | Tier 4 (3.79) | Tier 4 | Player's Handbook v.3.5, pgs. 49-51 |
| Shadowcaster | Tier 4 (3.82) | Tome of Magic, pgs. 111-116 | |
| Barbarian | Tier 4 (4) | Tier 4 | Player's Handbook v.3.5, pgs. 24-26 |
| Generic Expert | Tier 4 (4) | Unearthed Arcana, pg. 77 | |
| Generic Warrior | Tier 4 (4) | Unearthed Arcana, pg. 78 | |
| Spellthief | Tier 4 (4.11) | Tier 4 | Complete Adventurer, pgs. 13-20 |
| Scout | Tier 4 (4.15) | Tier 4 | Complete Adventurer, pgs. 10-13 |
| Paladin | Tier 4 (4.18) | Tier 5 (High) | Player's Handbook v.3.5, pgs. 42-46 |
| Ranger | Tier 4 (4.28) | Tier 4 | Player's Handbook v.3.5, pgs. 46-49 |
| Ninja | Tier 4 (4.33) | Tier 5 | Complete Adventurer, pgs. 5-10 |
| Savant | Tier 4 (4.37) | Dragon Compendium, pgs. 45-50 | |
| Fighter | Tier 4 (4.48) | Tier 4[D&D3 Note 4] Tier 5 (High) |
Player's Handbook v.3.5, pgs. 37-39 |
| Marshal | Tier 4 (4.49) | Tier 4 | Miniatures Handbook, pgs. 11-13 |
| Adept | Tier 5 (4.54) | Tier 4 | Dungeon Master's Guide v.3.5, pgs. 107-108 |
| Truenamer | Tier 5 (4.56) | Tier 4 (Highly Optimized) Tier 6 |
Tome of Magic, pgs. 198-203 |
| Sohei | Tier 5 (4.58) | Oriental Adventures, pgs. 27-29 | |
| Hexblade | Tier 5 (4.65) | Tier 4 (Low) | Complete Warrior, pgs. |
| Battle Dancer | Tier 5 (4.73) | Dragon Compendium, pgs. 26-29 | |
| Divine Mind | Tier 5 (4.75) | Complete Psionic pgs. 9-13 | |
| Monk | Tier 5 (4.78) | Tier 5 | Player's Handbook v.3.5, pgs. 39-42 |
| Dragon Shaman | Tier 5 (4.81) | Player's Handbook II, pgs. 11-19 | |
| Mountebank | Tier 5 (4.84) | Dragon Compendium, pgs. 42-45 | |
| Samurai (OA) | Tier 5 (4.85) | Tier 5 | Oriental Adventures, pgs. 20-22 |
| Magewright | Tier 5 (4.94) | Eberron Campaign Setting, pgs. 256-257 | |
| Soulborn | Tier 5 (5.01) | Magic of Incarnum, pgs. 25-28 | |
| Knight | Tier 5 (5.02) | Tier 5 | Player's Handbook II, pgs. 24-30 |
| Noble | Tier 5 (5.05) | Dragonlance Campaign Setting, pgs. 50-52 | |
| Swashbuckler | Tier 5 (5.07) | Tier 5 | Complete Warrior, pgs. 11-13 |
| Soulknife | Tier 5 (5.22) | Tier 5 | Expanded Psionics Handbook, pgs. 26-29 |
| Samurai (CW) | Tier 5 (5.26) | Tier 5[D&D3 Note 5] Tier 6 |
Complete Warrior, pgs. 8-11 |
| Expert | Tier 6 (5.73) | Tier 5 | Dungeon Master's Guide v.3.5, pg. 109 |
| Aristocrat | Tier 6 (5.76) | Tier 6 | Dungeon Master's Guide v.3.5, pg. 108 |
| Warrior | Tier 6 (5.8) | Tier 6 | Dungeon Master's Guide v.3.5, pgs. 109-110 |
| Commoner | Tier 6 (6) | Tier 6 | Dungeon Master's Guide v.3.5, pgs. 108-109 |
Notes[edit | edit source]
- ↑ Convert Spell to Power substitution from Expanded Classes, Part Four
- ↑ For the Trickster class substitution
- ↑ With online Vestiges, primarily Zceryll, "The Star Spawn" from Class Chronicles: Binders
- ↑ Zhentarim Soldier substitution levels from the Champions of Valor web enhancement Benefits of Membership pgs. 6-7
- ↑ Imperious Command feat from Drow of the Underdark pg. 50
Pathfinder[edit | edit source]
- Tier 1: Arcanist.
- Tier 2: Oracle, Summoner, Shaman, Witch.
- Tier 3: Alchemist++,Bloodrager− Investigator, Inquisitor, Magus, Skald, Spiritualist, Unchained Summoner, Warpriest, Vigilante (Spellcasting archetype), Sacred Servant Paladin +, Eldritch Scoundrel Rogue, certain Monk archetype combinations.
- Tier 4: Small sized Cavalier, Paladin, Kineticist +/-, Medium +/-, Unchained Monk, certain Monk archetypes, Shifter -, Slayer, Vigilante +.
- Tier 5: Medium sized Cavalier, Gunslinger +, Swashbuckler −.
Third Party Pathfinder[edit | edit source]
Most Third-party classes worth using were built to fall into Tier 3.
- Tier 1: Savant
- Tier 2: Incanter, Symbiat, Armiger-, Conscript
- Tier 3: Harbinger, Mystic, Zealot, Warlord, Warder, Stalker, Tactician +, Vitalist+, Aegis, Soulknife (Augmented Blade or War Soul archetype), Armorist, Elementalist, Eliciter, Fey Adept, Hedgewitch, Shifter#Spheres of Power, Soul Weaver, Thaumaturge, Wraith, Pactmaker.
- Tier 4: Soulknife+ (Psionics Unleashed).
- Tier 5: Shifter+