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'''Heldrakes''' are a type of [[Daemon Engine]] utilized by the [[Chaos Space Marines]] in [[Warhammer 40,000]]. Introduced in [[Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition|Sixth Edition]], they were immediately the center of a deliciously [[skub|skubtastic]] debate.
'''Heldrakes''' are a type of [[Daemon Engine]] utilized by the [[Chaos Space Marines]] in [[Warhammer 40,000]]. Introduced in [[Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition|Sixth Edition]], they were immediately the center of a deliciously [[skub|skubtastic]] debate.


Heldrakes are giant, metallic, fire-breathing, [[Chaos]] dragons/jetfighters. They used to be regular Space Marine aircraft, but they've been warped by the power of the [[Warp|Immaterium]]. [[Grimdark|The pilot(s) remained trapped inside, only to have his body consumed and his soul bound to the daemonic machine]]; in fact, the Heldrake's roar is actually the amplified screams of the former crew. They travel trough the Warp clinging to their warband's ship, before soaring into battle like a [[Night Lords|bat]] out of hell (quite literally), and wreaking unholy havoc ([[Word Bearers]] approved<sup>TM</sup>).
Heldrakes are giant, metallic, fire-breathing, [[Chaos]] [[Awesome|dragons/jetfighters]]. They used to be regular Space Marine aircraft, but they've been warped by the power of the [[Warp|Immaterium]]. [[Grimdark|The pilot(s) remained trapped inside, only to have his body consumed and his soul bound to the daemonic machine]]; in fact, the Heldrake's roar is actually the amplified screams of the former crew. They travel through the Warp clinging to their warband's ship, before soaring into battle like a [[Night Lords|bat]] out of hell (quite literally), and wreaking unholy havoc ([[Word Bearers]] approved<sup>TM</sup>).


This is, of course, really awesome fluff, but it's from [[Phil Kelly]], so that's not exactly a surprise.
This is, of course, really awesome fluff, but it's from [[Phil Kelly]], so that's not exactly a surprise.


The model itself has a [[FATAL]]-size anal hole. Many fa/tg/uys find this absolutely silly, although it is based on an old [[Epic 40,000]] model, so...  
The model itself has a [[FATAL]]-size anal hole. Many fa/tg/uys find this absolutely silly, although it is based on an old [[Epic 40,000]] model, so...


Crunch-wise, Heldrakes are <s>hilariously overpowered</s> the basic flying unit, in a book that is generally pretty weak. In fact, Heldrakes are considered pretty much the only thing keeping Chaos Marines competitive nowadays. Fielding more than one (sometimes even only one) Heldrake in a game is the fastest way to have your opponent [[Butthurt|bitch about the only thing in your Codex that can keep you on the board]] and have him [[rage]]quit. If you field three or more you automatically are [[That Guy]].  
Crunch-wise, Heldrakes were hilariously overpowered (nowadays considered merely pretty good), in a book that is generally pretty weak. In fact, Heldrakes are considered pretty much the only thing keeping Chaos Marines competitive nowadays. Fielding more than one (sometimes even only one) Heldrake in a game is the fastest way to have your opponent [[Butthurt|bitch about the only thing in your Codex that can keep you on the board]] and have him [[rage]]quit. If you field three or more you automatically are [[That Guy]].


A Heldrake also appears in C. Z. Dunn's novel ''Pandorax'', where it shrugs off at least sixteen direct missile hits, three point-blank twin-linked lascannons, and about a hundred tons of falling rocks. As if the things didn't have enough durability (see below) without an extra helping of plot armor.
A Heldrake also appears in C. Z. Dunn's novel ''Pandorax'', where it shrugs off at least sixteen direct missile hits, three point-blank twin-linked lascannons, and about a hundred tons of falling rocks. As if the things didn't have enough durability (see below) without an extra helping of plot armor. T.L.D.R.: Toothless if he was a demon who wanted to KILL and BURN!


== 24 Months of Cheese ==


For all of 6th Edition, H-Drakes were considered mainstays in everyone's top five [[cheese]]iest units. And looking at it in the context of the times, it's not hard to see why. Its cheese was famous, almost memetic, like how [[Pyrovore]]s are terrible. It all stems from three major factors:
== 19 Months of Cheese ==
For all of 6th Edition, H-Drakes were considered mainstays in everyone's top five [[cheese|cheesiest]] units. And looking at it in the context of the times, it's not hard to see why. Its cheese was famous, almost memetic, like how [[Pyrovore]]s are terrible. It all stems from three major factors:


===Durability===
===Durability===
First and foremost, it's a flier, so your options for hitting it are already limited. More to the point, it was the first flier of the edition to be designed AS a flier (as opposed to Stormravens, which were designed as skimmers). The early meta had no idea how to deal with fliers, so anyone playing against a Heldrake wasn't prepared for it. Nobody had Skyfire weapons except Guard players with Hydras, and Hydras were falling out of favor since they couldn't hit ground targets very well anymore.
First and foremost, it's a flier, so your options for hitting it are already limited. More to the point, it was the first flier of the edition to be designed AS a flier (as opposed to Stormravens, which were designed as skimmers). The early meta had no idea how to deal with fliers, so anyone playing against a Heldrake wasn't prepared for it. Nobody had Skyfire weapons except Guard players with Hydras, and Hydras were falling out of favor since they couldn't hit ground targets very well anymore.


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===Damage Output===
===Damage Output===
[[File:Tumblr nnrqjzAyKm1si96eio3 400.jpg|thumb|350px|left|It's terrifying on the ground, too.]]
By default, it has a [[Hades Autocannon]], but nobody took it because it could also get a cheap yet amazing weapon called The [[Baleflamer]]. Good lord, just the Baleflamer! S6 AP3 Torrent, a weapon designed specifically for killing MEQs that coincidentally doesn't care about the bird's lackluster ballistics skill. Did we mention the [[Baleflamer]] was considered turret-mounted? Yes, it didn't matter where you actually positioned this thing, it could fire in any direction, letting the Heldrake deliver miss-free, cover-ignoring, multi-model devastation without even paying attention to where it's going.


By default it has a Hades Autocannon, but nobody took it because it could also get a cheap yet amazing weapon called The Baleflamer. Good lord, just the Baleflamer! S6 AP3 Torrent, a weapon designed specifically for killing MEQs. Did we mention the Baleflamer was considered turret-mounted? Yes, it didn't matter where you actually positioned this thing, it could fire in any direction.
It could also Vector Strike D3+1 times at S7 AP3 Ignores Cover, just by moving over you, so MEQs (remember, Vector Strike became AP2 in 7th ed, which also reduced the number of hits to one against ground targets) and vehicles aren't safe either. And as a flier it can Vector Strike pretty far in a single turn, picking and choosing whatever it wanted, and always hit side armor on S7, so any attempt at [[Fish of Fury|clever positioning]] was basically wasted.
 
It could also Vector Strike D3+1 times at S7, with AP2 Ignores Cover, just by moving over you, so TEQs and vehicles aren't safe either. And as a flier it can Vector Strike pretty far in a single turn, picking and choosing whatever it wanted, and always hit side armor on S7, so any attempt at [[Fish of Fury|clever positioning]] was basically wasted.  


Long story short, you have a weapons platform that can threaten almost everything your opponent could throw at you (and completely ignore [[Land Raider|the few]] [[Monolith|exceptions]]), but was especially geared towards destroying MEQs en masse.
Long story short, you have a weapons platform that can threaten almost everything your opponent could throw at you (and completely ignore [[Land Raider|the few]] [[Monolith|exceptions]]), but was especially geared towards destroying MEQs en masse.


===More Than The Sum Of Its Parts===
===More Than The Sum Of Its Parts===
A flier is one thing. A loadout that can hurt almost any unit type is manageable. After all, we keep things in reserve all the time, and aren't Torrent weapons supposed to flush you out with near-impunity? But the Helchicken was like a guidebook on how to design something with no real weaknesses.
As a flier the Heldrake could hide in reserve at the start of the game, completely off the board, then get a free Vector Strike ''before'' Interceptor weapons could fire at it. Unless you hid everything against your table edge, it was ''guaranteed'' to hurt something. In the high likelihood that it was still alive after Interceptor (which not all armies had to begin with) it could then put a Baleflamer template pretty much anywhere, including on the former passengers of whatever vehicle it just Vector Struck to death. With a 36 inch move and a further 12 inch Torrent in a turret there was basically nowhere on the board that was safe from a Heldrake once it rolled to come in.
Basically, the Heldrake was the ultimate exercise in "anti-zoning", and was so amazing at it that in completely ignored one of the 40K meta's more fundamental tactics: screening. Everything else in the 40K series could be [[Fish of Fury|blocked off]], could be [[tarpit]]ted, could be bogged down or hidden from, or at least be given a token level of resistance to annoy the controlling player. But the Heldrake? It just shouted "Fuck you I'm a dragon!" and flew right over everything right on top of whatever you wanted to kill. It could hurt anything, nothing could hide from it, and very little could hope to fight back in any meaningful way. It had the hat trick, the golden trifecta of an overpowered unit. Hell, it even negated its own intended weaknesses; as a Daemon vehicle it was ''supposed'' to suffer from BS3, but neither Vector Strike nor Torrent gave a shit.
Lastly, just to leave a bad taste in the mouths of cheap entitled [[neckbeard]]s, the Heldrake was a brand new vehicle. You can bet your sweet ass Heldrake kits were expensive. Naturally, you have everyone losing to these things accusing GeeDubs of making their traditional overpowered army of the month's scheme. And when it was discovered that 6th Ed. Chaos Space Marines weren't exactly a god-tier codex ''without'' the Heldrake (sweet euphemism, it went from, depending on which Chaos God you swore allegiance to, unspectacular (Nurgle) to absolutely terrible (Khorne) if the player didn't fork out money for at least one Drake), you had the CSM players (rightfully) joining in too.
== And Then, 7th Edition ==
With the arrival of 7th Edition and the corresponding FAQ, the Heldrake took several massive hits in its brazen demon balls that might throw it down from the mighty spire of cheese it so proudly dominated before. First, the rulebook changed the rules of the Vector Strike USR to only do one AP 2 S user hit on normal troops, while enemy fliers take D3 instead, and after that, the recent FAQ nerfed the Heldrake by removing the turret rule to the flamer weapon, so it now has to shoot from the tip of the weapon, i.e. the head of the drake. While this might not make it unusable, it does nerf it to more logical levels for a flyer.
This did also create the retarded/awesome new tactic of putting something under the very tip of a Heldrake's wing in the movement phase to be able to vector-strike it and target it with a baleflamer. This basically means that Heldrakes now spend their days going around the place and [[Awesome|decapitating people with their fucking wings]].
Additionally, the meta has shifted quite a bit with the new edition. Everybody has their own fliers of varying effectiveness now, and any army can get (and is more or less expected to take) some sort of anti-air, the more effective of which ([[Mek_Gunz|Ork traktor kannons]] and [[XV-88_Broadside|Tau broadsides]]) simply laugh at those that would cower at the sign of a heldrake.
Even further, towards what is now the end of the 7th edition Cycle, pretty much everyone now knows exactly how to deal with flyers. Both flyers and Skyfire have proliferated to such an extreme that they created their own take on Mutually Assured Destruction. If someone brings a flyer, it'll kick ass, but not if the opponent has literally any kind of anti-air. On your opponent's side, if they have anti-air, it'll be wasted if the opponent doesn't have a flyer, but on the plus side it means all flyers are now completely useless. This has left the game now in the rather unusual state of nobody taking flyers at all, and nobody taking anti-air either.
=== 8th Edition ===


A flier is one thing. A loadout that can hurt almost any unit type is manageable. After all, we keep things in reserve all the time, and aren't Torrent weapons supposed to flush you out with near-impunity? But the Helchicken was like a guide book on how to design something with no real weaknesses.
With how much GeeDubs is hyping this as a new edition with actual balance for once, it'll be interesting seeing what becomes of the Helturkey. Luckily the leaks have already told us. The removal of flamer templates means flamer weapons simply get a certain number of automatic hits; the Baleflamer specifically deals D6 auto-hits at an 18-inch range (S6 AP -2, 2 damage). It Will Not Die has been buffed game-wide (and given about six different names), so Heldrake automatically heals a wound at the start of its turns. Speaking of wounds, it's T7 12 wounds 3+ (for comparison, that's a Predator profile with +1 wound), also 5++ as before. Vector Strike is gone, replaced by just giving the turkey a melee profile (WS 3+ S7 AP -1, D3 damage). Its only downside is that it does ''not'' have Hard-to-hit like certain other fliers, so the enemy is hitting it on full ballistic skill (it can also be charged by ground units, but tarpitting doesn't really work against it). All this for 138 points. (Plus the claws...)


As a flier the Heldrake could hide in reserve at the start of the game, completely off the board, then get a free Vector Strike ''before'' Interceptor weapons could fire at it. Unless you hid everything against your table edge, it was ''guaranteed'' to hurt something. In the high likelyhood that it was still alive after Interceptor it could then put a Baleflamer template pretty much anywhere, including on the former passengers of whatever vehicle it just Vector Struck to death. With a 36 inch move and a further 12 inch Torrent there was basically nowhere on the board that was safe from a Heldrake once it rolled to come in.
Alternate take 09/04/18 - Due to the lack of hard to hit, and the sheer randomness of its damage (1d6 auto hits on the flamer, 1d3 damage per claw), Helturkey looks a lot scarier than it actually performs and its role has generally been relegated to hunting squishy FLY keyword units and hit-and-running heavier infantry. Too, at 185 points (with a Baleflamer, because no one wants to have an Autocannon hitting on 5+s) a Defiler or Wings&Axe Demon Prince can generally do the same job. The only difference the Helturkey has from these is that you can pretty much guarantee your opponent is gonna empty everything they have into it on round one, which gives the rest of your army notable breathing room. If you're looking for a scary bullet sponge with a lot of potential (but only on a good day), the Helturkey is your boi, effectively making it an excellent distraction turkeyfex. Fortunately, Chapter Approved 2018 has seen fit to drop our Heldrakes down by 18 points, so it's now at 167 points rather than 185 points, so it's no longer as bad.


Basically the Heldrake was the ultimate exercise in "anti-zoning", and was so amazing at it that in completely ignored one of the 40K meta's more fundamental tactics: screening. Everything else in the 40K series could be [[Fish of Fury|blocked off]], could be [[tarpit]]ted, could be bogged down or hidden from, or at least be given a token level of resistance to annoy the controlling player. But the Heldrake? It just shouted "Fuck you I'm a dragon!" and flew right over everything right on top of whatever you wanted to kill. It could hurt anything, nothing could hide from it, and very little could hope to fight back in any meaningful way. It had the hat trick, the golden trifecta of an overpowered unit. Hell, it even negated its own intended weaknesses; as a Daemon vehicle it was ''supposed'' to suffer from BS3, but neither Vector Strike nor Torrent gave a shit.
{{Chaos Space Marines}}


Lastly, just to leave a bad taste in the mouths of cheap entitled [[neckbeard]]s, the Heldrake was a brand new vehicle. You can bet your sweet ass Heldrake kits were expensive. Naturally you have everyone losing to these things accusing GeeDubs of making their traditional overpowered army of the months scheme. And when it was discovered that 6th Ed. Chaos Space Marines weren't exactly a god-tier codex ''without'' the Heldrake, you had the CSM players joining in too.
{{Thousand Sons}}


== And Then, 7th Edition ==
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With the arrival of 7th Edition and the corresponding FAQ, the Heldrake took several massive hits in its brazen demon balls that might throw it down from the mighty spire of cheese it so proudly dominated before. First, the rulebook changed the rules of the Vector Strike USR to only do one AP 2 S user hit on normal troops, while enemy fliers take D3 instead, and after that, the recent FAQ nerfed the Heldrake by removing the turret rule to the flamer weapon, so it now have to shoot from the tip of the weapon, aka the head of the drake. While this might not make it unusable, it does nerf it to more logical levels for a flyer.
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Latest revision as of 09:52, 21 June 2023

Fuck you, I'm a dragon!

Heldrakes are a type of Daemon Engine utilized by the Chaos Space Marines in Warhammer 40,000. Introduced in Sixth Edition, they were immediately the center of a deliciously skubtastic debate.

Heldrakes are giant, metallic, fire-breathing, Chaos dragons/jetfighters. They used to be regular Space Marine aircraft, but they've been warped by the power of the Immaterium. The pilot(s) remained trapped inside, only to have his body consumed and his soul bound to the daemonic machine; in fact, the Heldrake's roar is actually the amplified screams of the former crew. They travel through the Warp clinging to their warband's ship, before soaring into battle like a bat out of hell (quite literally), and wreaking unholy havoc (Word Bearers approvedTM).

This is, of course, really awesome fluff, but it's from Phil Kelly, so that's not exactly a surprise.

The model itself has a FATAL-size anal hole. Many fa/tg/uys find this absolutely silly, although it is based on an old Epic 40,000 model, so...

Crunch-wise, Heldrakes were hilariously overpowered (nowadays considered merely pretty good), in a book that is generally pretty weak. In fact, Heldrakes are considered pretty much the only thing keeping Chaos Marines competitive nowadays. Fielding more than one (sometimes even only one) Heldrake in a game is the fastest way to have your opponent bitch about the only thing in your Codex that can keep you on the board and have him ragequit. If you field three or more you automatically are That Guy.

A Heldrake also appears in C. Z. Dunn's novel Pandorax, where it shrugs off at least sixteen direct missile hits, three point-blank twin-linked lascannons, and about a hundred tons of falling rocks. As if the things didn't have enough durability (see below) without an extra helping of plot armor. T.L.D.R.: Toothless if he was a demon who wanted to KILL and BURN!


19 Months of Cheese[edit]

For all of 6th Edition, H-Drakes were considered mainstays in everyone's top five cheesiest units. And looking at it in the context of the times, it's not hard to see why. Its cheese was famous, almost memetic, like how Pyrovores are terrible. It all stems from three major factors:

Durability[edit]

First and foremost, it's a flier, so your options for hitting it are already limited. More to the point, it was the first flier of the edition to be designed AS a flier (as opposed to Stormravens, which were designed as skimmers). The early meta had no idea how to deal with fliers, so anyone playing against a Heldrake wasn't prepared for it. Nobody had Skyfire weapons except Guard players with Hydras, and Hydras were falling out of favor since they couldn't hit ground targets very well anymore.

But just hitting the flier was the first step. You also had to get past front and side Armor Value 12. Keep in mind this was before 6th Ed. Tau, so almost everything that had Skyfire was S7. It's also a Daemon Possessed vehicle, so it had 5+ invuln. And unlike other fliers, it got this for free, whereas other fliers could only Jink if they were willing to snap-shot the following turn. To ice the cake, they gave it It Will Not Die, so your hard-earned efforts of finally hurting the thing could be all for naught.

Damage Output[edit]

It's terrifying on the ground, too.

By default, it has a Hades Autocannon, but nobody took it because it could also get a cheap yet amazing weapon called The Baleflamer. Good lord, just the Baleflamer! S6 AP3 Torrent, a weapon designed specifically for killing MEQs that coincidentally doesn't care about the bird's lackluster ballistics skill. Did we mention the Baleflamer was considered turret-mounted? Yes, it didn't matter where you actually positioned this thing, it could fire in any direction, letting the Heldrake deliver miss-free, cover-ignoring, multi-model devastation without even paying attention to where it's going.

It could also Vector Strike D3+1 times at S7 AP3 Ignores Cover, just by moving over you, so MEQs (remember, Vector Strike became AP2 in 7th ed, which also reduced the number of hits to one against ground targets) and vehicles aren't safe either. And as a flier it can Vector Strike pretty far in a single turn, picking and choosing whatever it wanted, and always hit side armor on S7, so any attempt at clever positioning was basically wasted.

Long story short, you have a weapons platform that can threaten almost everything your opponent could throw at you (and completely ignore the few exceptions), but was especially geared towards destroying MEQs en masse.

More Than The Sum Of Its Parts[edit]

A flier is one thing. A loadout that can hurt almost any unit type is manageable. After all, we keep things in reserve all the time, and aren't Torrent weapons supposed to flush you out with near-impunity? But the Helchicken was like a guidebook on how to design something with no real weaknesses.

As a flier the Heldrake could hide in reserve at the start of the game, completely off the board, then get a free Vector Strike before Interceptor weapons could fire at it. Unless you hid everything against your table edge, it was guaranteed to hurt something. In the high likelihood that it was still alive after Interceptor (which not all armies had to begin with) it could then put a Baleflamer template pretty much anywhere, including on the former passengers of whatever vehicle it just Vector Struck to death. With a 36 inch move and a further 12 inch Torrent in a turret there was basically nowhere on the board that was safe from a Heldrake once it rolled to come in.

Basically, the Heldrake was the ultimate exercise in "anti-zoning", and was so amazing at it that in completely ignored one of the 40K meta's more fundamental tactics: screening. Everything else in the 40K series could be blocked off, could be tarpitted, could be bogged down or hidden from, or at least be given a token level of resistance to annoy the controlling player. But the Heldrake? It just shouted "Fuck you I'm a dragon!" and flew right over everything right on top of whatever you wanted to kill. It could hurt anything, nothing could hide from it, and very little could hope to fight back in any meaningful way. It had the hat trick, the golden trifecta of an overpowered unit. Hell, it even negated its own intended weaknesses; as a Daemon vehicle it was supposed to suffer from BS3, but neither Vector Strike nor Torrent gave a shit.

Lastly, just to leave a bad taste in the mouths of cheap entitled neckbeards, the Heldrake was a brand new vehicle. You can bet your sweet ass Heldrake kits were expensive. Naturally, you have everyone losing to these things accusing GeeDubs of making their traditional overpowered army of the month's scheme. And when it was discovered that 6th Ed. Chaos Space Marines weren't exactly a god-tier codex without the Heldrake (sweet euphemism, it went from, depending on which Chaos God you swore allegiance to, unspectacular (Nurgle) to absolutely terrible (Khorne) if the player didn't fork out money for at least one Drake), you had the CSM players (rightfully) joining in too.

And Then, 7th Edition[edit]

With the arrival of 7th Edition and the corresponding FAQ, the Heldrake took several massive hits in its brazen demon balls that might throw it down from the mighty spire of cheese it so proudly dominated before. First, the rulebook changed the rules of the Vector Strike USR to only do one AP 2 S user hit on normal troops, while enemy fliers take D3 instead, and after that, the recent FAQ nerfed the Heldrake by removing the turret rule to the flamer weapon, so it now has to shoot from the tip of the weapon, i.e. the head of the drake. While this might not make it unusable, it does nerf it to more logical levels for a flyer. This did also create the retarded/awesome new tactic of putting something under the very tip of a Heldrake's wing in the movement phase to be able to vector-strike it and target it with a baleflamer. This basically means that Heldrakes now spend their days going around the place and decapitating people with their fucking wings.

Additionally, the meta has shifted quite a bit with the new edition. Everybody has their own fliers of varying effectiveness now, and any army can get (and is more or less expected to take) some sort of anti-air, the more effective of which (Ork traktor kannons and Tau broadsides) simply laugh at those that would cower at the sign of a heldrake.

Even further, towards what is now the end of the 7th edition Cycle, pretty much everyone now knows exactly how to deal with flyers. Both flyers and Skyfire have proliferated to such an extreme that they created their own take on Mutually Assured Destruction. If someone brings a flyer, it'll kick ass, but not if the opponent has literally any kind of anti-air. On your opponent's side, if they have anti-air, it'll be wasted if the opponent doesn't have a flyer, but on the plus side it means all flyers are now completely useless. This has left the game now in the rather unusual state of nobody taking flyers at all, and nobody taking anti-air either.

8th Edition[edit]

With how much GeeDubs is hyping this as a new edition with actual balance for once, it'll be interesting seeing what becomes of the Helturkey. Luckily the leaks have already told us. The removal of flamer templates means flamer weapons simply get a certain number of automatic hits; the Baleflamer specifically deals D6 auto-hits at an 18-inch range (S6 AP -2, 2 damage). It Will Not Die has been buffed game-wide (and given about six different names), so Heldrake automatically heals a wound at the start of its turns. Speaking of wounds, it's T7 12 wounds 3+ (for comparison, that's a Predator profile with +1 wound), also 5++ as before. Vector Strike is gone, replaced by just giving the turkey a melee profile (WS 3+ S7 AP -1, D3 damage). Its only downside is that it does not have Hard-to-hit like certain other fliers, so the enemy is hitting it on full ballistic skill (it can also be charged by ground units, but tarpitting doesn't really work against it). All this for 138 points. (Plus the claws...)

Alternate take 09/04/18 - Due to the lack of hard to hit, and the sheer randomness of its damage (1d6 auto hits on the flamer, 1d3 damage per claw), Helturkey looks a lot scarier than it actually performs and its role has generally been relegated to hunting squishy FLY keyword units and hit-and-running heavier infantry. Too, at 185 points (with a Baleflamer, because no one wants to have an Autocannon hitting on 5+s) a Defiler or Wings&Axe Demon Prince can generally do the same job. The only difference the Helturkey has from these is that you can pretty much guarantee your opponent is gonna empty everything they have into it on round one, which gives the rest of your army notable breathing room. If you're looking for a scary bullet sponge with a lot of potential (but only on a good day), the Helturkey is your boi, effectively making it an excellent distraction turkeyfex. Fortunately, Chapter Approved 2018 has seen fit to drop our Heldrakes down by 18 points, so it's now at 167 points rather than 185 points, so it's no longer as bad.

Forces of the Traitor Legions of Chaos
Leaders: Chaos Champion - Chaos Lord - Daemon Prince - Dark Apostle
Master of Execution - Sorcerer - Master of Possession - Lord Discordant
Unaligned: Chaos Chosen - Chaos Raptors - Chaos Space Marine Squad - Chaos Spawn - Chaos Terminators
Cultist - Havocs - Mutilators - Obliterators - Possessed - Tech-Assassin - Warp Talons - Warpsmith
Negavolt Cultist - Greater Possessed - Dark Disciple - Heretek
Faction Aligned: Khorne Berzerkers - Plague Marines - Noise Marines - Rubric Marines
Great Crusade-era: Breacher Siege Squad - Consul - Despoiler Squad - Destroyer Squad - Esoterist Consul - Legiones Decurion
Legion Herald - Legion Outrider Squad - Legion Vigilator - Moritat - Master of the Signal - Praetor
Reconnaissance Squad - Seeker Squad - Sky Hunter Squad - Tactical Support Squad - Inductii
Structures: Noctilith Crown - Skull Altar
Walkers: Chaos Dreadnought (Ferrum Infernus - Chaos Contemptor
Hellforged Leviathan - Hellforged Deredeo
) - Helbrute
Vehicles: Bike Squad - Chaos Land Raider (Land Raider Hades Diabolus) - Infernal Relic Predator
Kratos Heavy Assault Tank - Mastodon - Predator Tank - Rhino Transport - Sicaran Battle Tank
Stalk Tank - Vindicator - Typhon Heavy Siege Tank - Spartan Assault Tank - Rapier Armoured Carrier
Whirlwind Scorpius - Termite - Cerberus Destroyer - Fellblade
Flyers: Harbinger - Hell Blade - Hell Talon - Fire Raptor
Storm Eagle - Xiphon Interceptor - Thunderhawk - Stormbird
Spacecraft: Dreadclaw Assault Pod - Kharybdis - Doomfire Bomber - Swiftdeath Fighter
Titans: Daemon Knights - Chaos Emperor Titan - Feral Scout Titan
Ravager Battle Titan - Chaos Warlord Titan - Woe Machine
Unaligned
Daemon Engines:
Decimator - Defiler - Death Wheel - Forgefiend - Heldrake
Maulerfiend - Soul Grinder - Wirewolf - Venomcrawler - Helstalker
Daemon Engines
of Khorne:
Blood Reaper - Blood Slaughterer - Brass Scorpion - Cauldron of Blood - Death Dealer
Doom Blaster - Kytan - Lord of Skulls - Skull Reaper - Tower of Skulls
Daemon Engines
of Nurgle:
Blight Drone - Contagion - Foetid Bloat-Drone - Myphitic Blight-Hauler
Nurgle Plague Tower - Plague Hulk - Plagueburst Crawler
Daemon Engines
of Slaanesh:
Hell-Scourge - Hell-Knight - Hell-Strider
Questor Scout Titan - Slaanesh Subjugator
Daemon Engines
of Tzeentch:
Aether Ray - Doom Wing - Fire Lord of Tzeentch
Mirrorfiend - Silver Tower of Tzeentch - The Auruntaur
Auxiliaries: Chaos Daemons - Death Guard - Thousand Sons - Emperor's Children - World Eaters - Fallen Angels
Forces of the Thousand Sons
Leaders: Chaos Champion - Lord of Tzeentch - Chaos Sorcerer
Daemon Prince - Exalted Sorcerers - Infernal Master
Troops: Chaos Spawn - Rubric Marines - Rubric Terminators
Great Crusade-era: Hidden Ones - Khenetai Occult
Numerologist - Scarab Occult
Legio
Cybernetica:
Castellax-Achea Class Battle-Automata
Walkers: Contemptor-Osiron Dreadnought - Helbrute
Vehicles: Chaos Dreadnought - Chaos Land Raider
Predator - Rhino - Vindicator
Spacecraft: Dreadclaw Assault Pod - Kharybdis
Daemon
Engines:
Silver Tower of Tzeentch - Forgefiend - The Auruntaur
Heldrake - Maulerfiend - Defiler - Aether Ray
Fire Lord - Doom Wing - Mirrorfiend
Daemons: Flamers of Tzeentch - Horror - Screamers of Tzeentch
Mutalith Vortex Beast
Auxiliaries: Cultists - Prospero Spireguard - Thrall Wizards
Tzaangors - Tzaangor Enlightened - Tzaangor Shaman
Tzaangor Skyfire
Allies: Chaos Daemons - Chaos Space Marines
Forces of the Emperor's Children
Leaders: Lord of Slaanesh - Daemon Prince - Sorcerer - Chaos Champion
Troops: Noise Marine - Chaos Spawn - Possessed
Great Crusade-era: Kakophoni - Palatine Blade - Phoenix Guard - Sun Killer
Walkers: Chaos Dreadnought - Helbrute - Sonic Dreadnought
Vehicles: Chaos Land Raider - Chaos Predator
Chaos Rhino - Chaos Vindicator
Flyers: Storm Eagle - Stormbird - Thunderhawk
Spacecraft: Dreadclaw Assault Pod - Kharybdis
Titans: Hell-Scourge - Hell-Knight - Hell-Strider
Slaanesh Subjugator - Questor Scout Titan
Daemon
Engines:
Defiler - Heldrake - Forgefiend - Maulerfiend
Daemons: Daemonette - Fiends of Slaanesh
Steeds of Slaanesh - Seekers of Slaanesh
Hellflayer Chariots
Auxiliaries: Cultists - Slaangors
Allies: Chaos Daemons - Chaos Space Marines
Forces of the World Eaters
Leaders: Berzerker-Surgeon - Chaos Champion - Daemon Prince
The Eightbound - Lord of Khorne - Master of Execution
Troops: Chaos Spawn - Chaos Terminators
Jakhals - Khorne Berzerkers
Great Crusade
era:
Caedere - Devourers - Rampager
Red Butcher - Red Hand
Walkers: Berserker Dreadnought - Helbrute
Vehicles: Chaos Land Raider - Predator
Rhino - Vindicator
Seacraft: Ragnarok-class Oceanic Battleship
Spacecraft: Dreadclaw Assault Pod - Kharybdis
Daemon Engines: Blood Slaughterer - Brass Scorpion - Forgefiend - Defiler
Heldrake - Kytan - Lord of Skulls - Maulerfiend
Daemons: Bloodletters - Bloodcrushers - Flesh Hound
Auxiliaries: Cultists - Khorngors
Allies: Chaos Daemons - Chaos Space Marines
Forces of the Sons of Horus/Black Legion
Leaders: Chaos Champion - Chaos Lord - Daemon Prince - Dark Apostle
Master of Execution - Sorcerer - Master of Possession - Lord Discordant
Troops: Bringers of Despair - Chaos Chosen - Chaos Raptors - Chaos Space Marine Squad
Chaos Spawn - Chaos Terminators - Cultist - Greater Possessed - Havocs - Mutilators
Obliterators - Possessed - Tech-Assassin - Warp Talons - Warpsmith - Heretek
Great Crusade-era: Justaerin - Reaver Attack Squad - Luperci
Walkers: Chaos Dreadnought (Ferrum Infernus - Chaos Contemptor
Hellforged Leviathan - Hellforged Deredeo
) - Helbrute
Vehicles: Bike Squad - Chaos Land Raider - (Land Raider Hades Diabolus)
Infernal Relic Predator - Predator Tank - Chaos Rhino - Vindicator
Flyers: Harbinger - Hell Blade - Hell Talon
Storm Eagle - Thunderhawk - Stormbird
Unaligned
Daemon Engines:
Decimator - Defiler - Forgefiend - Heldrake
Maulerfiend - Soul Grinder - Venomcrawler
Helstalker
Auxiliaries: Khorne Berzerkers - Plague Marines - Noise Marines - Rubric Marines
Allies: Chaos Space Marines - Lost and the Damned
Forces of the Word Bearers
Leaders: Chaos Champion - Chaos Lord - Daemon Prince - Dark Apostle
Master of Execution - Sorcerer - Master of Possession - Lord Discordant
Troops: Anointed - Chaos Chosen - Chaos Raptors - Chaos Space Marine Squad
Chaos Spawn - Chaos Terminators - Cultist - Dark Disciple - Greater Possessed
Havocs - Mutilators - Obliterators - Possessed - Warp Talons - Warpsmith
Great Crusade-era: Anakatis Kul - Ashen Circle - Diabolist - Gal Vorbak - Vor Nergeth
Walkers: Chaos Dreadnought (Ferrum Infernus - Chaos Contemptor
Hellforged Leviathan - Hellforged Deredeo
) - Helbrute
Mhara Gal Dreadnought
Vehicles: Bike Squad - Chaos Land Raider
Infernal Relic Predator
Predator Tank - Chaos Rhino
Flyers: Harbinger - Hell Blade - Hell Talon
Unaligned
Daemon Engines:
Decimator - Defiler - Forgefiend - Heldrake
Maulerfiend - Soul Grinder - Venomcrawler
Helstalker
Auxiliaries: Khorne Berzerkers - Plague Marines - Noise Marines - Rubric Marines
Allies: Chaos Space Marines - Lost and the Damned
Forces of the Iron Warriors
Leaders: Chaos Lord - Chaos Champion - Lord Discordant
Sorcerer - Warsmith - Warpsmiths
Troops: Chaos Chosen - Chaos Raptors - Chaos Space Marine Squad
Chaos Terminators - Cultist - Havocs - Mutilators - Obliterators
Tech-Assassin - Heretek
Great Crusade-era: Breacher Siege Squad - Iron Havocs
Tyranthikos - Tyrant Siege Terminator
Structures: Castellum Stronghold
Legio
Cybernetica:
Domitar-Ferrum Class Battle-Automata
Walkers: Chaos Dreadnought (Hellforged Deredeo Dreadnought
Hellforged Leviathan Dreadnought
) - Helbrute
Vehicles: Bike Squad - Chaos Land Raider - Chaos Predator
Chaos Rhino (Castellan Rhino) - Chaos Vindicator
Infernal Relic Predator
Ordnance: Legion Arquitor Bombard - Legion Basilisk
Legion-pattern Medusa Siege Gun
Flyers: Harbinger - Hell Blade - Hell Talon
Storm Eagle - Stormbird - Thunderhawk
Superheavy Tanks: Typhon Heavy Siege Tank
Special Vehicles: Tormentor
Daemon Engines: Decimator - Defiler - Forgefiend - Heldrake
Maulerfiend - Venomcrawler - Helstalker
Allies: Chaos Space Marines